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Click it (incorrectly) and ticket it
News & Observer ^ | 07/04/04 | AC Snow

Posted on 07/18/2004 12:16:52 PM PDT by Copernicus

Another Triangle woman tells of being stopped by two Raleigh police officers, one apparently in training, who contended she wasn't wearing her seatbelt.

Shown it was fastened, the officers retired to patrol car for a conference before returning 10 minutes later.

One handed her a $75 citation because, he said, the shoulder belt was "too loose".

(Excerpt) Read more at 216.239.41.104 ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: lunacy; nannystate; seatbelt
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This arrives by way of the Great State of North Carolina.

I searched and it does not seem to be posted elswhere on Free Republic.

I am advised it is bad news when even card carrying Bolsheviks bemoan their own inane laws.

1 posted on 07/18/2004 12:16:53 PM PDT by Copernicus
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To: Copernicus

www.newsobserver.com/lifestyles/snow/story/1396087p-7519805c.html


2 posted on 07/18/2004 12:20:21 PM PDT by Bogey78O (Counter offer. All prisoners are to be killed unless he is released)
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To: Copernicus
Ummm a little more to the story than the excerpt alludes...

"Like most women I know, I have always worn it under my arm rather than across my chest, because of the discomfort and irritation."

So basically she had the shoulder strap BEHIND her.

3 posted on 07/18/2004 12:20:58 PM PDT by bikepacker67
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To: pageonetoo
Greetings!

You will enjoy this column.

Best regards,

4 posted on 07/18/2004 12:20:58 PM PDT by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: Copernicus

Pass enough laws and eventually we are all criminals.


5 posted on 07/18/2004 12:24:48 PM PDT by Pete98
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To: bikepacker67
So basically she had the shoulder strap BEHIND her

Basically, she is an individual,a sovereign citizen, a taxpayer, who may or may not have individual reasons for her actions which might include but not be limited to a medical condition and by decree of the Supreme Court of the United States can be summarily arrested, detained, fined and otherwise harassed by Government Employees.

Best regards,

6 posted on 07/18/2004 12:26:28 PM PDT by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: Pete98
I hate that seat belt law, adults should be able to decide if they want to wear them.

bad cop no donut.

7 posted on 07/18/2004 12:26:57 PM PDT by No Blue States
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To: Pete98
Pass enough laws and eventually we are all criminals.

Yes, George Orwell said it would happen and it has!

Best regards,

8 posted on 07/18/2004 12:27:58 PM PDT by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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I am amused by some of these "stories" of she said, or he said.

Note I am not saying that if in fact this is true, it is not despicable, and should not be tossed out, with the officers in question, recieving repremand.

What I am saying is articles like this tend to bring us all to the tin foil paranoia state.

Noteworthy is that the police, or their department heads, are not quoted.

For what it's worth, I drive with my seatbelt shoulder strap "under" my arm also. It's a comfort thing. Also the law here [Florida] states one must wear the seatbelt, not how one must wear it.

9 posted on 07/18/2004 12:28:44 PM PDT by G.Mason (A war mongering, red white and blue, military industrial complex, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: No Blue States
I hate that seat belt law, adults should be able to decide if they want to wear them.

The sad part is, she was wearing her seat belt, but the JBT's cited her for not wearing it in the way that the state has decreed to be lawful.

10 posted on 07/18/2004 12:29:56 PM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: Copernicus

The fine would have been doubled had she been eating a greasy burger or smoking a cigarette. When are people going to understand the government needs to protect them against themselves? We'd all be so much happier if we would just submit.


11 posted on 07/18/2004 12:30:19 PM PDT by Casloy
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To: Bogey78O
How did you get that URL? Every time I tried I was automatically transported to the registration page!

Best regards,

12 posted on 07/18/2004 12:31:16 PM PDT by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: bikepacker67

I agree with you - she was wearing it incorrectly. She then got a ticket for doing so. Somehow, that fails to make me feel like I'm living in a police state.


13 posted on 07/18/2004 12:31:25 PM PDT by linear
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To: bikepacker67
"So basically she had the shoulder strap BEHIND her."

Not correct. She is secure with the waist part of the belt, and if a recently newer vehicle, probably had an air bag to boot.

14 posted on 07/18/2004 12:31:51 PM PDT by G.Mason (A war mongering, red white and blue, military industrial complex, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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A great way to train new cops. Just like our government school system. He could have given her a warning but no, the city needs the money. No wonder more and more people dislike police officers.


15 posted on 07/18/2004 12:32:11 PM PDT by ampat
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To: linear
Somehow, that fails to make me feel like I'm living in a police state.

Then you just haven't been paying attention.

16 posted on 07/18/2004 12:32:41 PM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: Copernicus
Here in Texas they made up a cute slogan for us, often seen on billboards and the lighted highway signs.

Click it or Ticket, buckle up Texas.

Ive been wondering who helped them make up this silly rhyme Jesse Jackson or Johnny Cockran...

And hey take the billboard money and fight real crime with it, clowns.

17 posted on 07/18/2004 12:33:01 PM PDT by No Blue States
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We've recently had this arguement...no sense doing it again...
Click it or Ticket
      Posted by pageonetoo
On News/Activism 06/26/2004 2:06:50 PM CDT with 247 comments


None | 06/26/04 | self
I am trying to figure out how to get a national petition started, to overturn the "Click it or Ticket" laws and its erosion, further, of individual rights. I am curious how many folk consider The "Click it"campaign to be good, and whether it come through legislation, or did it come about by beaurocratic decree? (From the NHTA site: What Impact Have Primary Safety Belt Laws Had? Primary safety belt laws – laws that allow police officers to pull over a driver and issue a safety belt citation without first observing another offense – have had an enormous effect on...

18 posted on 07/18/2004 12:34:08 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Michael Moore has made "documentary" a 1-word oxymoron.)
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I am amused by some of these "stories" of she said, or he said.

Agreed. Nothing in newspapers (or elsewhere for that matter) should be accepted at face value.

On the other hand, it is a fact even paranoids can have legitimate cause for concern about some things.

Best regards,

19 posted on 07/18/2004 12:34:47 PM PDT by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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No Blue States said: "I hate that seat belt law, adults should be able to decide if they want to wear them. "

Like motorcycle helmet laws, seatbelt laws for adults would be unnecessary if the liability laws were modified.

If you negligently crash into someones car and injure them, the liability law needs to specify that you are only liable for the damage which would likely have occurred if the person had a seatbelt fastened. Any additional damage would be the burden of the person who decided to be unbelted.

Similarly, motorcycle riders would be responsible for any head injuries if they failed to wear a helmet.

If, as the law implies, failing to wear a seatbelt is a negligent act, then let the person committing the negligence be responsible for it.

20 posted on 07/18/2004 12:35:06 PM PDT by William Tell
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