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Mo. High Court May Decide Whether Boy Can Be Circumcised
Kansas City Channel ^ | July 15, 2004

Posted on 07/16/2004 8:42:13 AM PDT by presidio9

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- For most little boys, circumcision is a decision for the parents to make. But the Missouri Supreme Court may make that decision for one local boy because his parents don't agree.

Two-and-a-half-year-old Ethan Azar's mother does not want to have him circumcised.

"There's no medical society in the world that recommends it, including the American Academy of Pediatrics," said Camille Azar.

But Ethan's father was recently granted sole custody. He wants his son circumcised. While the boy's father and his attorney would not appear on camera, they did cite personal, social and health reasons for wanting the circumcision, KMBC's Kelly Eckerman reported.

Circumcision removes the layer of skin covering the penis. It is something more and more parents are opting not to do, Eckerman said. The medical community calls it a personal decision.

"Everyone has their bias. But we try to base recommendations on sound medical evidence and it just isn't there to say yes or no," Dr. Ken Wible said.

Lower courts refused to intervene, so the case is now going to the Missouri Supreme Court to see if Ethan's father should be able to go ahead with the circumcision.

"The fact the courts have ruled he can make medical decisions doesn't mean he can make a decision to have part of the healthy living flesh of the child cut off," said Dennis Owens, Camille Azar's attorney.

Doctors did tell KMBC that Ethan's age is a factor.

"At that age, a child is going to need anesthesia," Wible said.

Camille Azar said that the decision should be up to her son when he's older.

"I want Ethan to make the decision about his own body," Camille Azar said.

Eckerman said that religion plays a role in some families' decisions about circumcision, but that has not been an issue here. The battle over Ethan's circumcision comes in the middle of a custody battle. A decision from the state's high court is expected within two weeks.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: anteaters; circumcision; cleanliness; mutilation; warheads
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To: secret garden

I said they aren't "fully developed." They are partially developed. The local anesthetic removes the rest of the pain.


241 posted on 07/16/2004 2:58:24 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew
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To: cyborg
A lot of guys then...

LOL, here comes another FReep mail.

242 posted on 07/16/2004 3:01:40 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: ChicagoHebrew

Nice try, but not true.


243 posted on 07/16/2004 3:02:55 PM PDT by secret garden (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: iconoclast
Trying to absolutely confirm your total lack of a sense of humor?

Is that a question?

There is "potty" humor and "mature" humor. You're apparently stuck in the former kind. I am sure you will grow out of it, given enough time.

244 posted on 07/16/2004 3:06:20 PM PDT by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: iconoclast
They don't do this in the delivery room. There is this little thing called a release form that doctors like to see mom and dad both sign. Liability, you know, Duh!!!!! LOL. I sound like my 4 year old. How old are you?
245 posted on 07/16/2004 3:06:54 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: johniegrad

I'm amazed that they've both found lawyers that will work for tips.


246 posted on 07/16/2004 3:07:03 PM PDT by flashbunny (Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed.)
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To: TontoKowalski; Malachi
I reluctantly agreed to my son's circumcision, and I regret it. I know two other men who were snipped as adults, and both said sensation is decreased.

Exodus 1:7 And the children of Israel were fruitful, and increased abundantly, and multiplied, and waxed exceeding mighty; and the land was filled with them.

247 posted on 07/16/2004 3:09:55 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Paradox
...once in the throws of passion, things look differently, so to speak.

Not to intentionally pick nits...but your sentence structure leaves the visual impression of a male's anatomical attribute with eyes.

And to intentionally pick a nit...'throws' should be 'throes'.

248 posted on 07/16/2004 3:14:26 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (May the wings of Liberty never lose so much as a feather.)
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To: dangus
There goes one Jewish stereotype out the window!

Muslim, too!


Read the Book..........

249 posted on 07/16/2004 3:17:20 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: presidio9
"Everyone has their bias. But we try to base recommendations on sound medical evidence and it just isn't there to say yes or no," Dr. Ken Wible said.

The medical evidence isn't there to say yes (someone married to a circumcised man may be less likely to get cervical cancer). But it is there to say no (someone who is circumcised definitely will lose the complete functionality of the sexual apparatus and the way it was supposed to work). Unfortunately a lot of opposition to leaving the baby uncircumcised as he was made is of the kind voiced by a sister-in-law: "Eeeuuuu! Of course we're going to circumcise him! Otherwise we'd have to clean it all the time!"

Yeah, and why not just get the kid a colostomy, too, until he's old enough to start wiping his own butt?
250 posted on 07/16/2004 3:17:50 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: whd23
"Let's only circ him 1/2 way?"

My only complaint is that they didn't use PINKING SHEARS on me!!!!

251 posted on 07/16/2004 3:18:30 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: johniegrad
There was an infant born here recently who came into the world almost perfect. The only minor defect being that the eyelids were missing. Fortunately, the child was a boy and after the circumcision was completed there was enough skin left over to fashion a pair of eyelids for the lad.

He came through with flying colors!

The only problem being that now he sees everything a little cockeyed.

: )

252 posted on 07/16/2004 3:18:55 PM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: Freebird Forever
And probably a SURPRISED look when a pretty girl goes by........

:)

8)


253 posted on 07/16/2004 3:23:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Jape
Incidentally, there's a correlation between circumcision and 'deviant behaviors', including homosexuality.

Jeepers.... that is ridiculous. For adult men of my generation and older, circumcision was more common than not, and I believe, still is.

I do love the righteous who love to hang out on threads talking about sex organs.... I think it allows them to obsess about pornographic subjects while claiming to be righteously indignant about the whole discussion! (refresh refresh)

254 posted on 07/16/2004 3:24:58 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (~*-,._.,-*~Loves her hubbit~*-,._.,-*~)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Well Duh!!! lol


255 posted on 07/16/2004 3:26:27 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Bella_Bru
I would be pissed if I married someone only to find out they aren't the least bit into oral sex. How dull.

Been there, done that. Found out too late she loved getting it, wouldn't give it.  Could it have saved the marriage?  Wouldn't have hurt.
256 posted on 07/16/2004 3:35:34 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: CindyDawg

I tell you, this whole discussion just offends me! (refresh refresh)


257 posted on 07/16/2004 3:42:29 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (~*-,._.,-*~Loves her hubbit~*-,._.,-*~)
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To: whd23
In this case it's an unnecessary, irreversible procedure. The only reason I "gave in" was for the sake of my marriage. If my wife and I were estranged, I could see the issue escalating.

Really strange. I just don't get it.

258 posted on 07/16/2004 3:46:03 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (~*-,._.,-*~Loves her hubbit~*-,._.,-*~)
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To: HairOfTheDog

It was actually a good topic that has guttered. I keep getting pinged back and look to see if back on subject. As I posted elsewhere today, I'm not a prude and there are very few threads I walk away from but this one in the toilet. Sigh...boys and their toys, like everyone wants to know the details of their sex life. lol. Maybe their mommas will see their posts:') Later Dudette!


259 posted on 07/16/2004 3:54:02 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Elsie
My only complaint is that they didn't use PINKING SHEARS on me!!!!

That reminds me of an album (vinyl) from my college days a few decades ago - the guy DID have that, and ended up with what he called a "frilly dilly". *g*

260 posted on 07/16/2004 4:03:52 PM PDT by NCjim
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