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Final Report is here: http://www.mentalhealthcommission.gov/reports/FinalReport/toc.html
1 posted on 07/04/2004 6:39:04 PM PDT by SkyRat
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I really wish Bush would stick to being a Republican.


2 posted on 07/04/2004 6:41:24 PM PDT by bikepacker67
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Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness

Simple really. Are they voting for Kerry or Nader ?

4 posted on 07/04/2004 6:44:49 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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bttt


5 posted on 07/04/2004 6:45:01 PM PDT by netmilsmom ("We haven't begun military action. the world will know when we do." -Marine in Fallujah)
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So long as they start in Congress, and the courts.


6 posted on 07/04/2004 6:45:12 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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But Dr Graham Emslie, who helped develop the Texas project, defends screening: "There are good data showing that if you identify kids at an earlier age who are aggressive, you can intervene... and change their trajectory."

I do not like the sound of that.

7 posted on 07/04/2004 6:45:38 PM PDT by AM2000
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BAD idea! They did the same thing for homosexuals in the '80's, because they weren't considered "violent." They're totally insane and now attempting to destroy the whole country from within. They even have organizations trying to legalize boy rape!
Instead of letting the insane like the homosexuals out, they should be rounding them back up and putting them back in.
Bush is an idiot for even suggesting doing it again after the first failure. Doing it again is a national death wish.
9 posted on 07/04/2004 6:46:22 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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Is opposition to gay marriage a "mental illness"?
11 posted on 07/04/2004 6:46:42 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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Drug companies have fared exceedingly well under the Bush administration, according to the centre's spokesperson, Steven Weiss.

Thank God for drug companies. Without them, many would have died needlessly. I'm glad they're on our side. Pro-life is a good thing.

14 posted on 07/04/2004 6:49:45 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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What's my prize when I win?

:)


17 posted on 07/04/2004 6:52:45 PM PDT by bannie (Liberal Media: The Most Dangerous Enemies to America and Freedom)
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"The plan promises to integrate mentally ill patients fully into the community"

I thought that had already been done. Aren't they called Democrats?


21 posted on 07/04/2004 6:54:45 PM PDT by Casloy
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THIS would be very much a reason for the Second Amendment, mr bush.


23 posted on 07/04/2004 6:55:34 PM PDT by steplock ( www.spadata.com)
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The president's commission found that "despite their prevalence, mental disorders often go undiagnosed" and recommended comprehensive mental health screening for "consumers of all ages," including preschool children.

I doubt it. The UK "Socialist medical establishment" is not what I'd call "a Bush supporter".

24 posted on 07/04/2004 6:56:27 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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A little too close to National Socialist Germany for my tastes.


31 posted on 07/04/2004 7:08:01 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Want to make a difference? http://www.numbersusa.com)
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Depressed Man Diagnosed as "British"
Mon Jun 28, 2004 06:57 AM ET

By Darren Mackenzie

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - George Farthing, an expatriate British man living
in America, was recently diagnosed as clinically depressed, tanked up on
anti-depressants and scheduled for controversial Shock Therapy when
doctors realised he wasn't depressed at all - only British.

'Not depressed, just British' Mr Farthing, a British man whose
characteristic pessimism and gloomy perspective were interpreted as
serious clinical depression, was led on a nightmare journey through the
American psychiatric system.

Doctors described Farthing as suffering with Pervasive Negative
Anticipation - a belief that everything will turn out for the worst,
whether it's trains arriving late, England's chances at winning any
international sports event or even his own prospects to get ahead in
life and achieve his dreams.

"The satisfaction Mr Farthing seemed to get from his pessimism seemed
particularly pathological," reported the doctors. "They put me on
everything - Lithium, Prozac, St John's Wort," said Mr Farthing. "They
even told me to sit in front of a big light for an hour a day or I'd
become suicidal. I kept telling them this was all pointless and they
said that it was exactly that sort of attitude that got me here in the
first place."

Running out of ideas, his doctors finally resorted to a course of
"weapons grade MDMA", the only noticeable effect of which was six hours
of speedy repetitions of the phrases "mustn't grumble" and "not too bad,
really". It was then that Mr Farthing was referred to a psychotherapist.

"Suicidal?" Dr Isaac Horney explored Mr Farthing's family history and
couldn't believe his ears. "His story of a childhood growing up in a
gray little town where it rained every day, treeless streets of
identical houses and passionately backing a football team who never won,
seemed to be typical depressive ideation or false memory. Mr Farthing
had six months of therapy but seemed to mainly want to talk about the
weather - how miserable and cold it was in winter and later how
difficult and hot it was in summer. I felt he wasn't responding to
therapy at all and so I recommended drastic action - namely ECT or shock
treatment".

"I was all strapped down on the table and they were about to put the
rubber bit in my mouth when the psychiatric nurse picked up on my
accent," said Mr Farthing. "I remember her saying 'Oh my God, I think
we're making a terrible mistake'."

Nurse Alice Sheen was a big fan of British comedy giving her an
understanding of the British psyche. "Classic comedy characters like
Tony Hancock, Albert Steptoe and Frank Spencer are all hopeless cases
with no chance of ever doing well or escaping their circumstances," she
explained to the baffled US medics. "That's funny in Britain and is not
seen as pathological at all."

Identifying Mr Farthing as British changed his diagnosis from 'clinical
depression' to 'rather quaint and charming' and he was immediately
discharged from hospital, with a selection of brightly coloured leaflets
and an "I love New York" T-shirt.


37 posted on 07/04/2004 7:12:42 PM PDT by steve86
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comprehensive mental health screening for "consumers of all ages," including preschool children

This might be a good idea. Consuming preschool children was banned long ago.

46 posted on 07/04/2004 7:32:36 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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The second I saw the headline I knew the article was BS. Not country in the world could pull off a screening of its "whole...population" for mental illness, not even the great and mighty USA. Or I should say, especially not the USA, unless, that is, the author claims Bush plans to torch the constitution.

Where do the people come from who buy into this stuff?

48 posted on 07/04/2004 7:42:19 PM PDT by beckett
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Seems to be four main stories here.

(a) Implementation of the Screening tests.

(b) A whistleblower who was fired for exercising the First Amendment.

(c) An argument about whether they should scrap the old medicines and go big time with the new, more expensive medicines, and

(d) Kick-back scandals and how much more the pharmaceuticals donated to the Republicans than they did to the Dems.

But I see another story here that hasn't been touched on. If the entire population is going to be screened, ostensibly to optimize the quality of life for all, this means that everyone will be blood sampled and their genetic codes will be in a master data base.

This worries me for several reasons, one of which opens up old fears concerning population pruning and maximizing the potential (future) tax base to keep up with interest payments and cost of government and its socialistic programs.

No, I don't believe they are going to open the ovens again . . . not when they can chemically pin-point and reduce what has been described as 'useless eaters' groups, either by age or by measure of usefulness and/or productivity.

But those are only the beginning of my fears if this screening actually is implemented. Consider how easy it would be to rule over a zonked-out population.

Also consider that under current gun-control laws (not sure if state or federal), you will be unable to own a gun if you are being chemically treated for an unbalanced mental condition. Correct me if I'm wrong about that.

Well, this should be enough food for thought. Someone tell me I'm mentally ill for stating the above and you'll make my day.

Happy Fourth of July to all. But I fear the fireworks haven't begun yet.

50 posted on 07/04/2004 8:14:58 PM PDT by Eastbound
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I read the report and it is troublesome. Combining that with the meddlesome aspects of Goals 2000 and it is even more troubling. Goal 4 of the report discusses how all students will be given mental health tests. Above and beyond my instinct that tells me that we will end up with far more kids on drugs to control their behavior, the results of these tests can follow one forever. It appears as though the testing will be mandatory and there is no telling what types of responses will raise flags.

What might seem like a ridiculous possibility is that say, a first grader that likes to play cowboys and indians could be considered potentially violent and possess a fascination with guns. What type of "treatment" will they provide for him? Then, it becomes part of his permanent health record and what would that do for potential future job opportunities, especially if the only notation is "potentially violent and a fascination with firearms"?

54 posted on 07/04/2004 8:37:46 PM PDT by L_Von_Mises
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Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness...the scheme described in this article credits the mental health establishment with way too much knowledge, technical know-how, and ability to coordinate what services they can provide - it'll never happen......
56 posted on 07/04/2004 8:52:25 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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Mr. Conservative is at it again.

How much is this compassion going to cost?


58 posted on 07/04/2004 9:54:21 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (" Permitting homosexuality didn't work out very well for the Roman Empire")
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