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Outsource or perish, US firms told
Rediff.com ^ | July 02, 2004 19:23 IST | Rediff News

Posted on 07/02/2004 8:37:28 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick

In a significant report, an influential consultancy firm has warned American companies that either they outsource more work to India, including high-powered functions like research and development, or face extinction.

Companies risk extinction if they hesitate to shift facilities to low-cost countries because the potential savings are so vast, said a recently released report by Boston Consulting Group.

Outsourcing and India: Complete Coverage

The report also cited US executives who felt quality of American workers were deteriorating, compared to the high quality of workers in countries like India and China, the Washington Post reported.

"The largest competitive advantage will lie with those companies that move soon," the report states.

"Companies that wait will be caught in a vicious cycle of uncompetitive costs, lost business, underutilised capacity, and the irreversible destruction of value," said the report, released in May.

Boston Consulting, which counts among its clients many of the biggest corporations in the US, tells the companies that they have been too reluctant rather than too eager to outsource production to LCCs (low-cost countries).

"Successful companies," says the report, "ask themselves, 'What must I keep at home?' rather than 'What can I shift to LCCs,'" says the report. "Their question is not 'Why outsource to LCCs?' but "Why not?"

The study suggests that the movement of jobs to countries like India and China is likely to accelerate strongly in the coming years.

The report also revealed that during confidential discussions with executives at Boston Consulting's client companies, many conveyed low opinions of their American employees compared with labour available abroad.

Not only are factory workers in low-cost countries much cheaper -- well below $1 per hour in China, compared with $15 to $30 an hour in the United States and Europe -- but they quickly achieve quality levels that are "equivalent to or even higher than the best plants in the West," said the report.

"More than 40 per cent of the companies we talked with expressed significant concerns about the erosion of skills in the work force (in the US). They cited machine operators who are unable to handle specialised equipment properly or to make the transition to new work materials. In contrast, LCCs provide large pools of skilled workers who are eager to apply their 'craftsman' talents."

Midlevel engineers in low-cost countries, says the report, "Tend to be more motivated than mid-level engineers in the West," said the report.

It cites General Electric Co, Motorola Inc, Alcatel and Diemens AG as examples of companies that have set up research and development centres in both India and China "to leverage the substantial pools of engineering talent that are based in the two countries."

Indeed, the report undercuts the view that research and development jobs in Western countries will increase even as low-skill jobs migrate to nations like India and China.

Among companies with large operations in low-cost nations, "one of the most intriguing advantages we have come across is faster (and lower cost) R&D," the report states.

The report, the Post points out, provides reason after reason why US firms should locate operations offshore, and rebuts the arguments for why the trend is likely to slacken.

In contrast to experts who have predicted that rapidly rising wages in China and India will dampen their appeal to corporations, Boston Consulting contends that the Indian and Chinese cost advantage "may actually increase" in coming years.

"If wages increase at an annual rate of 8 per cent in China, while in the United States and Germany they increase at annual rates of 2.5 per cent and 2 per cent respectively in 2009, the average hourly wages will be approximately $1.30 in China, $25.30 in the United States, and $34.50 in Germany. So, in dollar terms, the wage gap will have expanded rather than shrunk."

Moreover, it says, "the growth of wages in China and India will be limited because of the enormous reservoir of underemployed people in these countries," noting that 800 million Chinese living in the countryside "are expected to exert very strong downward pressure on wages for low-skilled positions over the next few decades.

India, for its part, has a pool of 25 million highly educated English-speaking workers, expanding by a million every year, it notes and advises that some products -- such as those where patents and copyrights are at high risk -- should not be moved overseas.

It says that companies incur high initial costs, including severance payments, when they go abroad -- in the range of $25,000 to $100,000 per transferred full-time employee.

Establishing and managing a supply chain in a foreign country can also entail significant initial outlays, it warns.

But these drawbacks, it emphasises, melt away as companies recognise the other advantages to offshoring, including gaining access to huge and growing markets.

"China is a very special entity in this respect," says the report, "having already become the world's largest market for machine tools."

"Although the risks are real," it concludes, "experience shows that they can be managed -- and that there may be greater risk in failing to make the move to counries like India and China).

"Companies that continue to hesitate do so at their peril."


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To: RetiredArmy
Actually, I'm in the same hell hole. 'Just checked your profile. Too bad your leaving, we need to keep as many conservatives here as possible.

I was talking about Washington State, and Oregon schools spefically. (Oregon at the time, had some of the best public schools in the Nation). However, I think we are pretty much in agreement, Schools still suck, but I would add... not like they did in the 70's. My wife is a conservative public school teacher here (a growing minority), and between problem children with sh!thead parents, F'd up district management, and NEA drones ...we are all for homeschooling. With that said, her curiculem is closer to the Trivium of Classical Education then it is to that grabasstic spasims John Dewy dreamt up.

We are in far better shape now then we were in the 1970s, although those wounds may indeed be mortal. IMO, the main problem with education these days (nation wide) is that we no-longer teach kids who they are and what they have in Western Culture and America. We don't teach nationalism and civics. We have a crop of very bright people who have no idea what they have lost when it is taken from them. We need to break the PC strangle hold the liberals have put us through..that will only happen by dismantling the public schools (and letting the NEA die on the vine), or like you said, a real war.

On the topic of this thread, we don't have a competitive disadvantage in quality or innovation. We have a competitive disadvantage in MBA's trained as international socialists. We have corporate leadership that are knee jerk anti-American elitists. That is where this mantra about quality and work ethics in turd world countries come from. If they were high quality and more productive they wouldn't live in mud houses. They are cheap, and according to Shareholder value, that offsets quality.No distinction is made between wealth and profit.
81 posted on 07/02/2004 10:44:16 AM PDT by Dead Dog (Expose the Media to Light, Expose the Media to Market Forces.)
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To: RetiredArmy

Maybe I look at things with a gimlet eye, but is the general IQ of the American public dropping? Or perhaps there is a greater willingness to be ignorant. I meet college graduates who can barely string sentences together.


83 posted on 07/02/2004 10:50:51 AM PDT by ashtanga
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To: jpsb
How do you feed a family on $4.50 an hour?

 Chinese labor is $0.20/hour why why would any same person use even $5/hour American labor if they did not have too?

How long before drive thru fast food windows are routed to a Chinese to take your order?

Are you saying that we shouldn't outsource 4,633 jobs, even if it creates 947,000 new jobs with higher pay (question of principle), are you saying that in your heart you can't believe it's happening (question of belief orthodoxy), or would you actually like me to tell you how it's happening (request for information)?

84 posted on 07/02/2004 11:03:01 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: TonyRo76; RetiredArmy
Most of the pathetic creeps you're seeing from "sitting on that bench" are people who'll never amount to anything. Please don't ever let them get you down

Excellent point, and I would add that these pathetic creeps are called "Leaders" in communist states.

85 posted on 07/02/2004 11:05:11 AM PDT by Dead Dog (Expose the Media to Light, Expose the Media to Market Forces.)
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To: expat_panama
I am asking

"How do you feed a family on $4.50 an hour? "

And I am saying

"Chinese labor is $0.20/hour why why would any same person use even $5/hour American labor if they did not have too"

87 posted on 07/02/2004 11:17:42 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: TonyRo76
"Most of the pathetic creeps you're seeing"

Are passing laws and implementing policies which make it all but imposible to own, run and maintain a small business.

88 posted on 07/02/2004 11:20:22 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: GOP_1900AD
It is high time for cost management professionals to silence, once and for all, the current myriad of idiocy.

Most of these "cost management professionals" are "professional" in only one sense of the word - they do it for money.

They latch on to the fad of the moment, and ballyhoo it until the next fad comes along.

89 posted on 07/02/2004 11:27:25 AM PDT by jimt
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To: tm22721
Pure trash. I have known a company to put out 3M in product development in India and get no more than they would have done with local software engineers.

If you really want to know what the problem is, it is poor company management. Managers who are not qualified in their position to make the decisions necessary to get the job done. Not knowing who to hire or fire, not knowing what is going on under their watch, not knowing what is ultimatly going to make the company fail and how to fix it. You can see it very clearly if you look at a sucessful company vs. a poorly managed one. If the leadership is unqualified and uninformed, then everything underneath will likely also fail.

Regarding outsourcing, do what is right for your company -- don't follow a fad.
90 posted on 07/02/2004 11:29:21 AM PDT by oneoftheothers
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To: CarrotAndStick

Outsourcing threads are pessimist conventions.


91 posted on 07/02/2004 11:31:17 AM PDT by Huck (I love the USA!)
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To: jimt

I remember sitting at a Subway in 1996, enjoying a sandwich made with fresh cold cuts and veggies, while reading the Business section of some rag with a title "Quality Was a Fad" or some other crap.

Leadership take many things, but leadership without vision is lost.


92 posted on 07/02/2004 11:31:19 AM PDT by Dead Dog (Expose the Media to Light, Expose the Media to Market Forces.)
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To: jpsb

If a foreign employee can be as productive as an American employee, and work for 5% of the wage, no sane person would hire the American. What do you propose we do?


93 posted on 07/02/2004 11:34:42 AM PDT by BMiles2112
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To: Huck

DOOMED!!!!!


94 posted on 07/02/2004 11:41:18 AM PDT by BMiles2112
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To: BMiles2112
If a foreign employee can be as productive as an American employee, and work for 5% of the wage, no sane person would hire the American. What do you propose we do?

Answers:
1. They can't. Its not what you think. You get what you pay for. They are sucking you in. It all evens out in the end. Its a temporary shift.

2. Work hard and be competitve.
95 posted on 07/02/2004 11:43:01 AM PDT by oneoftheothers
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To: BMiles2112
"What do you propose we do?"

recognizing that we have a problem would be a good first step. Is $0.20/hour Asian labor a serious threat to US labor?

97 posted on 07/02/2004 11:51:16 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: oneoftheothers

Yes and YES.


98 posted on 07/02/2004 11:53:09 AM PDT by BMiles2112
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To: CarrotAndStick
Did you mean, 'ado'?

And did you mean "Hear, Hear!" or "there, there."

99 posted on 07/02/2004 11:57:21 AM PDT by webheart
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To: jpsb
recognizing that we have a problem would be a good first step.
We've got a number of problems; poorly educated students, laziness, unnecessary tax burden, etc. The problem isn't cheap overseas labor.

Is $0.20/hour Asian labor a serious threat to US labor?
Depends entirely on how productive the employee is.

100 posted on 07/02/2004 11:58:23 AM PDT by BMiles2112
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