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Massive Black Hole Stumps Researchers
Space.com ^ | June 28, 2004 | Tariq Malik

Posted on 06/28/2004 7:03:25 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou

A team of astronomers have found a colossal black hole so ancient, they're not sure how it had enough time to grow to its current size, about 10 billion times the mass of the Sun.

Sitting at the heart of a distant galaxy, the black hole appears to be about 12.7 billion years old, which means it formed just one billion years after the universe began and is one of the oldest supermassive black holes ever known.

The black hole, researchers said, is big enough to hold 1,000 of our own Solar Systems and weighs about as much as all the stars in the Milky Way.

"The universe was awfully young at the time this was formed," said astronomer Roger Romani, a Stanford University associate professor whose team found the object. "It's a bit of a challenge to understand how this black hole got enough mass to reach its size."

Romani told SPACE.com that the black hole is unique because it dates back to just after a period researchers call the 'Dark Ages,' a time when the universe cooled down after the initial Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago. That cooling period lasted about one billion years, when the first black holes, stars and galaxies began to appear, he added. The research appeared June 10 on the online version of Astrophysical Journal Letters.

Invisible to the naked eye, black holes can only be detected by the radiation they spew and their gravitational influence on their stellar neighbors. Astronomers generally agree that black holes come in at least two types, stellar and supermassive. Stellar black holes form from collapsed, massive stars a few times the mass of the Sun, while their supermassive counterparts can reach billions of solar masses.

A supermassive black hole a few million times the mass of the Sun is thought to sit at the center of our own Milky Way galaxy, and some of the largest supermassives seen date have reached up to two billion solar masses, researchers said.

Weighing a black hole heavyweight

Determining a precise mass for the black hole found by Romani's team, dubbed Q0906+6930, is a bit tricky though since it's so far away.

"Very massive black holes like this are so rare, that one should really be a little suspicious at first," Romani said.

The black hole, called a blazar because it spews jets of radiation in roughly the direction of Earth, sits at the center of a galaxy about 12.7 billion light-years away in the constellation Ursa Major. One light-year is the distance light travels in one year, is about six trillion miles (10 trillion kilometers).

Because the blazar is so distant, there are no nearby neighbors to scan for potential gravitational effects, and much of its radiation is absorbed by gas and dust lying between it and the Earth, Romani said.

"It really is too far away to do a direct orbital measurement to help determine its mass," Romani said, adding that he and his colleagues had to estimate the mass based on a quantitative method that includes measuring particle velocity and the Doppler shift of its infrared emission lines. "The best thing to do is study it in a broader region of the spectrum, to get more emission lines."

Next year, researchers plan to scan the blazar's X-ray emissions with the Very Large Baseline Array and take other measurements to pin down a more accurate mass for the object, and eventual gamma-ray studies could refine that number even more.

A good catch

The blazar found by Romani and his colleagues is one of about 200 they have catalogued to date in preparation for the Gamma Ray Large Area Space Telescope (GLAST) planned for launch in 2007. The researchers are using a collection of optical, gamma-ray and radio observations for their study.

Since that mission is aimed at studying high-energy radiation sources like pulsars and spinning neutrons stars and others, researchers wanted to be able to filter out blazar interference before GLAST begins operations. But the discovery of blazar Q0906+6930, has yielded a few added scientific benefits.

"It suggests the blazar phenomena turned on much earlier than we thought," Romani said of the black hole. "So it really pushes on the formation scenarios we have for black holes."

Close study of the blazar's jet could also give astronomers a good picture of all the matter lying between Earth and the massive black hole since it has to pass through such material to reach astronomers' telescopes.

"So that's a way of using this weird, anomalous object to help our understanding of the universe," Romani said, adding that he and his colleagues plan to continue their blazar hunt until GLAST begins. "But I would be very surprised if there were a large number of these objects."



TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: ancient; bigbang; blackhole; blazar; colossalcrash; mysterymonday; space; steadystate; stringtheory
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

Bush's Fault !!


21 posted on 06/28/2004 7:34:37 PM PDT by traumer
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To: Fiddlstix

Maybe the black hole asserted itself in time for the Arkansas Gay Pride Parade? Hmm? We know about black holes and gays...


22 posted on 06/28/2004 7:34:46 PM PDT by natewill (Start the revolution NOW!)
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To: ShadowAce
How can a black hole emit radiation? I thought they just sucked everything in.

It does, but accelerating charges emit radiation.

23 posted on 06/28/2004 7:35:16 PM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: ShadowAce
It makes more sense when I realize that the energy being emitted does not come from the black hole per se, but from around it.

Everything we see is indeed from around the black hole.

But there actually is a tiny amount coming FROM the Black Hole, too little to perceive and swamped by all the radiation from around the Black Hole.

It's called "Hawking Radiation" and it's why Stephen Hawking became a big deal. He figured out it had to exist, computationally, based on quantum mechanics.

24 posted on 06/28/2004 7:35:25 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

Madonna??


25 posted on 06/28/2004 7:35:27 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: ShadowAce
Black holes tear logic apart..or...Black Holes are B.S.

Article excerpt:

The force of gravity is effectively zero when compared to the electric force. If you allow for the electrical structure of matter, the almost 2,000 fold difference in mass of the electron and proton will ensure that in a strong gravitational field charge separation will operate to prevent compression. Charge separation prevents the collapse of stars. Exotic theoretical objects like neutron stars and black holes are impossible.

Full Article:

Black holes tear logic apart

26 posted on 06/28/2004 7:41:47 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: Napoleon Solo
So how could thee in all good sense have created the Islamofacists

We have free will; with out choice we are just an advanced version of sim city with cheat codes – boring.

27 posted on 06/28/2004 7:42:08 PM PDT by Friend of thunder (No sane person wants war, but oppressors want oppression.)
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

1Cr 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.


28 posted on 06/28/2004 7:44:38 PM PDT by Esther Ruth (As the mountains surround Jerusalem, so the Lord surrounds His people from this time forth & FOREVER)
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To: Light Speed

Kook Science Alert.....


29 posted on 06/28/2004 7:47:24 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: All
"It really is too far away to do a direct measurement to help determine its mass," the scientist said, adding that he and his colleagues had to estimate the mass based on a quantitative method that includes measuring Michael Moore.

Just think. All this stuff just happened willy-nilly, randomly. No nothing. Yes sir, just kinda, sorta fell into place and everything from here to eternity obeys the same rules all by accident.

30 posted on 06/28/2004 8:01:09 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: Fiddlstix

Thanks for the ping.


31 posted on 06/28/2004 8:01:50 PM PDT by blam
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To: MHGinTN
I was expecting a picture of Michael Moore!

In related news:

A Hungry Michael Moore Eats Himself, Achieves Infinite Density

32 posted on 06/28/2004 8:02:02 PM PDT by null and void (The light pours out of me/The cold light of day/Pours out of me/Leaving me black/And so healthy)
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To: Ichneumon

Are you a fan of Dorothy Dunnet?


33 posted on 06/28/2004 8:06:10 PM PDT by squarebarb
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To: ShadowAce
How can a black hole emit radiation?

It doesn't. This is newspaper sloppiness. It's stuff falling in that emits radiation.

34 posted on 06/28/2004 8:10:41 PM PDT by Salman
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To: Napoleon Solo
Got to have somebody to have Armageddon with.

35 posted on 06/28/2004 8:12:18 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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36 posted on 06/28/2004 8:15:42 PM PDT by StriperSniper ("Ronald Reagan, the Founding Father of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy." - Mark Levin 6/8/04)
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37 posted on 06/28/2004 8:16:24 PM PDT by StriperSniper ("Ronald Reagan, the Founding Father of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy." - Mark Levin 6/8/04)
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To: Ichneumon

That picture is consistent with predictions of the Plasma Universe cosmologists. Makes more sense than the Black Hole BS (Belief System).

If dark energy were visible, what color would it be?


38 posted on 06/28/2004 8:22:50 PM PDT by RazzPutin ("You show me a philosopher, and I'll show you a loser." -- M. Ditka)
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To: Integrityrocks
Placing a weight on a black hole brings "incomprehensible" to a new level.

The article discusses determining the mass, not "weight" of the black hole. Mass is one of only three physical characteristics a black hole can possess.

39 posted on 06/28/2004 8:23:34 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: Strategerist
It's called "Hawking Radiation" and it's why Stephen Hawking became a big deal. He figured out it had to exist, computationally, based on quantum mechanics.

I read his book A Brief History of Time but could never understand that; to me it implies the material must be traveling faster than the speed of light. Hawking explains it, in part by saying

So in empty space the field cannot be fixed at exactly zero, because then it would have both a precipice value (zero) and a precise rate of change (also zero). There must be a certain minimum amount of uncertainty, or quantum function, in the value of the fields.

A Brief History of Time Page105

The math to understand Heisenburg – who is clearly implied in this statement – is way beyond me (that is why I am a production manager and not a cosmologist). If you could explain how material leaves a black hole (to me that implies crossing the event horizon in the wrong direction –I realize I am not thinking ‘quantumly’) without travailing faster than light, and do it with out higher mathematics, I would be very interested.

40 posted on 06/28/2004 8:24:15 PM PDT by Friend of thunder (No sane person wants war, but oppressors want oppression.)
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