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IRAQ HANDOVER 'TODAY' (Sovereignty Transfered in surprise move!) Congratulations IRAQ!
Sky News ^ | 6/28/2004

Posted on 06/27/2004 10:50:49 PM PDT by Southack

Edited on 06/27/2004 11:30:47 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: WVNan

I've been back and forth.....There were so many good threads...and so little time....

DId you read the blog from the Iraqi....There were two but I could only find one.....It was a real tear jerking "thank you"...I ping you two it.....THere may be a sermon hidden amoung his questions....


1,121 posted on 06/28/2004 6:17:48 PM PDT by hoosiermama (prayers for all)
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To: theophilusscribe; Grampa Dave; LibWhacker; crushkerry; jmstein7; ambrose; PhiKapMom; PJ-Comix; ...

1,122 posted on 06/28/2004 6:46:15 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: Southack

I must admit I was saddened to see how this was handled today. This was perhaps the most important event in the history of Iraq and yet it was carried out in secrecy, with little ceremony, and in surprise in an effort to throw off the terrorists. The terrorists killing innocent Iraqis won an important symbolic victory today.

Arranging this ceremony to fool the terrorists is not what I imagined when we first liberated this country. It is obvious the security situation is a long way from being resolved. I truly expected a magnificent ceremony with perhaps even President Bush being the one to transfer sovriegnty in front of thousands of cheering Iraqis.


1,123 posted on 06/28/2004 6:46:25 PM PDT by mastequilla
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To: FL_engineer
So I dont know if the marine was a muslim.

I'm still not sure, but I hear the family of this US Marine in a written statement cited on FNC said that he was a Muslim.

1,124 posted on 06/28/2004 7:03:18 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (John Kerry: An old creep, with gray hair, trying to look like he's 30 years old.)
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To: Southack
History will compare W to Honest Abe

Both suspended Habeas Corpus for citizens when they had no other choice in the war they were fighting.

Both were detested and vilified as the end of the republic by their detractors.

Abe freed black slaves from slavery.
W freed Iraqi's from Saddam.

1,125 posted on 06/28/2004 7:04:48 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (Kerry{D-Hanoi} plans to graff post-Vietnam policy on Iraq: Exit & let the Syrian Baathists take over)
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To: Southack

I agree, but they are also doing it as part of the lefts campaign to unseat Bush. So altho they may be insecure, they are agressively promoting their agenda.


1,126 posted on 06/28/2004 7:07:49 PM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: mastequilla
"I must admit I was saddened to see how this was handled today."

Of course you are. You're like that guy the press interviewed back in July of 1969 who was "saddened" that Americans were "going hungry" while billions were "wasted" putting Neil Armstrong on the Moon.

Or like the guy who was "saddened" that Americans were cheering their hockey victory over the USSR in 1980 with "provocative" chants of "USA! USA! USA" while thousands of nuclear missiles were still pointed at both the U.S. and Soviet Union.

Because there will always be some contrarian in any large group of people; that person who knows nothing but negativity, pessimism, gloom, and despair.

Fortunately, you losers are in the tiny minority of our population. Greatness could never be achieved if you freaks achieved any large critical mass of a population, after all, and America is and will forever be great.

No thanks to you.

1,127 posted on 06/28/2004 7:09:28 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: mastequilla

The magnificent ceremony will be, with hoards of cheering Iraqis, when Saddam is convicted and executed.


1,128 posted on 06/28/2004 7:09:58 PM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: mastequilla
Somehow I think the way this was handled today will live longer in the memory than any formal ceremony and cheering masses would.

This strategery was a LOLLAPALOOZA!

Yippee! Viva Bush!

Leni

1,129 posted on 06/28/2004 7:15:54 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: mastequilla
I must admit I was saddened to see how this was handled today.

Oh, get a tissue and dry your eyes and grow up.

Iraq is a sovreign nation. I can assure you the terrorists are not pleased or think they "won" in any way.

1,130 posted on 06/28/2004 7:19:57 PM PDT by cyncooper (Let Freedom Reign!)
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To: mastequilla
I must admit I was saddened to see how this was handled today.

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welcome to the FR!

Now pick up your steaming heap and go else were.

1,131 posted on 06/28/2004 7:20:16 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (Kerry{D-Hanoi} plans to graff post-Vietnam policy on Iraq: Exit & let the Syrian Baathists take over)
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To: FL_engineer
LOL! Good job with that pic. "Foreign Leaders" from Mao Tse Tung to Saddam throw their support to Jean Keri.

I'm impressed !!! NOT ! hahahahahaha !



1,132 posted on 06/28/2004 7:32:50 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Call me the Will Rogers voter: I never met a Democrat I didn't like - to vote OUT OF POWER !)
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To: Rennes Templar
The magnificent ceremony will be, with hoards of cheering Iraqis, when Saddam is convicted and executed.

Let us hope they make a very public spectacle of it so that the Iraqis are convinced that they are finally free.

1,133 posted on 06/28/2004 7:49:20 PM PDT by mastequilla
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To: Southack
Because there will always be some contrarian in any large group of people; that person who knows nothing but negativity, pessimism, gloom, and despair.

I think you misread me. I was optimistic that we would be greeted by Iraqis as liberators, that the visions laid out by many of a quick turnover to Iraqis and a quick exit of U.S. troops would come to pass, that Iraqis, having been freed of the shackles of oppression would rise up and warmly thank us for our sacrafices in liberating them. I'm saddened that we haven't seen that and that the turnover of sovriegnty was conducted in secret so as to fool the terrorists.

I'm happy Iraq is a sovreign nation today. I'm unhappy that the average Iraqi lives in fear of terror moreso today than before the invasion. I'm optimistic that the new government will be able to soon turn the corner in its fight against the terrorists.

1,134 posted on 06/28/2004 7:52:58 PM PDT by mastequilla
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To: mastequilla
This was perhaps the most important event in the history of Iraq and yet it was carried out in secrecy, with little ceremony, and in surprise in an effort to throw off the terrorists. The terrorists killing innocent Iraqis won an important symbolic victory today.

Every terrorist act is carried out in secrecy. Yet, you think that the terrorists have won some kind of symbolic victory today.

I truly expected a magnificent ceremony with perhaps even President Bush being the one to transfer sovriegnty in front of thousands of cheering Iraqis.

Freedom doesn't need a marching band -- it stands on it's own. Besides, plenty of people have died for this and more yet will die.

1,135 posted on 06/28/2004 7:53:47 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Southack
IRAQ HANDOVER 'TODAY' (Sovereignty Transfered in surprise move!) Congratulations IRAQ!

Happy Birthday free Iraq. It's a spanking new Free Reign.

1,136 posted on 06/28/2004 7:54:55 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: mastequilla
"I'm unhappy that the average Iraqi lives in fear of terror moreso today than before the invasion."

Really?! They are more frightened of Zarqawi's bombings than of Hussein's rape rooms, human shredders, poison gas, secret police, and mass graves?! Which "average Iraqi" told you such nonsense?

"I'm optimistic that the new government will be able to soon turn the corner in its fight against the terrorists."

What "corner" needs to be turned? In April, the insurgents managed to kill 122 Americans. In May, they managed to kill just 81 of us. In June, they've killed only 29.

More people are dying in car wrecks in major American and Iraqi cities than are being killed by terrorists.

The current level of fatalities wouldn't even make the back page of a WW2-era newspaper.

England lost 10% of an entire generation of their men in a single ill-fated hour of their worst battle during the First World War, and they still came out on the winning side.

To imagine that losing 29 fine Americans in an entire *MONTH* is indicative of some "corner" needing to be turned is to broadcast that you have no concept of the price of war.

1,137 posted on 06/28/2004 8:14:30 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
To imagine that losing 29 fine Americans in an entire *MONTH* is indicative of some "corner" needing to be turned is to broadcast that you have no concept of the price of war.

Perhaps you've missed the near daily killings of Iraqis by terrorists?

1,138 posted on 06/28/2004 8:16:35 PM PDT by mastequilla
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To: FreeReign
Every terrorist act is carried out in secrecy. Yet, you think that the terrorists have won some kind of symbolic victory today.

Remember the words of President Bush after 9/11, urging us to go on with our lives and not change the way we live for it would be granting a victory to the terrorists. If today's events were carried out as they were due to terrorist activity, then yes, the terrorists have won a symbolic victory. Anytime one changes ones behavior as a result of terrorist activity then the terrorists are winning.

I flew about 30 days after 9/11 and have flown about 60,000 miles since then. I won't let them win.

1,139 posted on 06/28/2004 8:21:18 PM PDT by mastequilla
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To: mastequilla
"Perhaps you've missed the near daily killings of Iraqis by terrorists?"

Killing those civilians is militarily insignificant. It matters to us because we are a compassionate people, but it doesn't change the fortunes of the battlefield.

In fact, tourism in Najaf and Kufa is up year over year right now...so those killings of Iraqis aren't even deterring the Islamic pilgramages into Iraq.

Or put another way, if the terrorists were intellectually capable of being embarassed by their failures and poor strategies, they'd be blushing bright red right now.

1,140 posted on 06/28/2004 8:31:05 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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