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To: nopardons
No Pardons,

Actually, I've never seen the out and out lies so bad in my lifetime ... not during Vietnam, not during Watergate, not during Iran-Contra, Monica gate, whitewater gate, etc., etc.

The level of hate was not this bad even during Nixon.

I just pray that average, rational Americans can just get a grip on election day. The saner candidate is George W. To elect the hysterical Left would be suicidal for this country, at this point in history.
72 posted on 06/26/2004 6:10:28 AM PDT by Tilly (Tilly)
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To: Tilly
I've never seen the out and out lies so bad in my lifetime ... not during Vietnam, not during Watergate, not during Iran-Contra, Monica gate, whitewater gate, etc., etc. The level of hate was not this bad even during Nixon.

I see the same thing... it's gone from opposition based on sort of principles or facts to bark-at-the-moon lunacy based on hate, pure hate. I just hope the average voter can see it, too.
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74 posted on 06/26/2004 6:23:25 AM PDT by backhoe (1990's? Decade of Frauds. 2000's? Decade of Lunatics...)
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To: Tilly
Glodwater....the Daisy/Nuke commercial. And that's just for starters.

Nixon...I think that you either didn't/don't know or have forgotten what the extreme HATRED against Nixon,from the time of his race against Helen Gahangan Brown,was like.The visceral HATERED and lies and mud slinging against Nixon was HUGE!

The lies and mud,thrown at Jefferson ( he fathered a child with his slave[NOT so at all,but still believed now,even after DNA proved otherwise!} and other things,that no one remembers anymore)were horrid,so was what was done to Andrew Jackson and his wife ( she was called a whore,an adulteress,he was called a whore monger,an adulterer and worse!),Grover Cleveland,and many,many others,were as bad.

Jefferson and Adams were political opponents,who were at each other's throats,so badly,that they didn't speak for decades.Marshall published a five volume set,slamming Jefferson,which drove Tom nuts! And it was Jefferson who said,"Party animosities here have raised a wall...between those who differ in political sentiments". Sound familiar? he also said that one man's truth is another man's slander.

And Jefferson,for all of the myths about him,was NOT a Simon pure man,without lots of warts and failings.None of the FFs were.

Heck, the Dems are using the exactly same lies they used to throw at Reagan,against President Bush,now. Both men were/are supposedly stupid,puppets,liars,morons, traitors,fools who are going to get us all killed,keeping down the poor,hate women,and anything else you have heard said about this president,was used against Reagan.Unlike Mrs. Reagan, Mrs. Bush has escaped the lies and mud slinging.

And then there's FDR,who really,really,REALLY was hated, for good and not so good reasons and slammed by a LOT of people.

From the inception of this nation,politics has been very dirty!And yes,books were written,which besmirched presidents.I suggest that you and anyone else who doesn't know this history,read " AFFAIRS OF HONOR ",by Joanne B. Freeman.

85 posted on 06/26/2004 3:00:56 PM PDT by nopardons
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