Posted on 06/17/2004 11:20:09 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
Bettinelli reports:
I just got this message from Rod Dreher:
"On Sunday, The Dallas Morning News will begin publishing the results of a major yearlong investigation into a largely uncovered aspect of the Catholic sex abuse scandal. The series of stories are international in scope, and will make headlines nationally and overseas. I’m not at liberty to disclose details yet, but I’ve seen advanced copies of the articles, and they are devastating. I believe at this point, more details will be available on Friday morning, when one of the reporters on the series does an interview on National Public Radio’s “Morning Edition.” The stories will be available on the dallasnews.com website starting either late Saturday night or early Sunday morning.
I expect these stories to dominate conversation among concerned American Catholics next week, and into the early summer (because there will be much more to come; next week’s series only reveals part of what our reporters have uncovered and documented). These findings give lie to the claim from Church officialdom that this scandal is over. The cover-up continues."
Rod Dreher confirms:
"Not only stories, but photographs. I’ve seen the planned cover of Sunday’s DMN. The picture they’re going to run is a jaw-dropper...I hate to tell you this, but the bishops already know. They have known. They hoped you and I wouldn’t find out. That’s part of the story... Also, our people are now talking to national media about this. Starting Friday night, you might be seeing stuff about this. I’ll let Dom and others know if any early media appearances are scheduled."
(Excerpt) Read more at bettnet.dyndns.org ...
Oops, you folks missed one. This should be in the Bloggers or Religion Forum, not the News Forum, right? Thanks.
Whoa. The authority comes from the Catholic Church. Haven't you read your bible? The Catholic Church is the one true church. And God created it. And that's a fact. How many Vaticans does your church own?
Prove it. If you are going to make such inferences produce documents instead of unsubstantiated anecdotes.
The 1997 clause which you claim is unfairly restrictive is aimed at those Catholics whose marriages ended due to a mortal sin. Any Catholic in a state of mortal sin should not receive Communion without first making the Sacrament of Confession, divorced or not.
Well, look at where your link is sourced.
The Diocese of Lincoln.
Ignore that sentence. Just ignore it. Bishop Bruskewitz, the Bishop of Lincoln, reflects the pre-Vatican II understanding of divorced Catholics, among other arcania. This directive makes no distinctions, nor does it recognize that divorce, in and of itself, does not prevent reception of the Eucharist.
Consult the Catholic Catechism, instead.
Good.
Because what was posted was in 1960, 1995, and remains today the practicum of the Roman Catholic Church regarding the issues surrounding divorce.
That Diocese plays it straight. Since you don't really like what Lincoln has to say on the matter, you have clarified your real thoughts on the matter with me.
Sink, you are dispensing "pastoral" advice and I don't think that is within your paygrade.
Particularly when you choose to contradict a Bishop of the Church.
Reconsider, my friend.
I didn't say I didn't like what Lincoln had to say. I said I don't care because I am no longer a practicing Catholic.
I am off this thread once again since the ugly people with ugly souls have come back.
The clause does not say that. Indeed, it leaves the impression that divorcees may only receive the Eucharist "in certain circumstances."
The pastoral insensitivity in this clause is astounding, and would certainly not encourage a divorced, fallen-away Catholic to approach the Church, again.
I appreciate your thoughts and comments but really, the ugly people with ugly souls have come back and I'm out of here.
It's no wonder the Catholic Church is losing so many people if the ugliness on this thread is an indication of their membership.
Bruskewitz is at the far right-end of pastoral practice in the Church, and it should be noted and pointed out.
His ridiculous excommunications of members of 10 or 12 different organizations was outside of Canon Law. Note that no other bishop, not a single one, including noted canonists like Raymond Burke, emulated that extreme action. He is not authorized to excommunicate, on his own.
Bruskewitz's pastoral recommendations are not the norm, and a second opinon is in order.
Don't lose heart. FR does not represent the Catholic Church, in the main.
You will find a far more forgiving and receptive attitude in most parishes. I wish you were here. We have a wonderful program, "Re-membering Church", that takes people where they are, and encourages them to return, if they want, or simply stay and discuss, or vent.
You have lots of venting to do, even if you don't come back to the Church.
If you dare look me in the eye
With newspaper clutched in hand
Dare not question my god Government
By whose hand I shall be fed.
Feed me.
Feed me, please.
I shall regurgitate for the magistrate everything I read in there.
I shall swallow and follow every tidbit published there.
For I am an American well-teached in commandments of tolerance, sweetness, and all that has to do with go-along get-along.
Feed me.
Feed me, please.
And as the sun sets on the individual it shall rise upon the common - the village - idiots and all who slumber as a well-fed critter ready for slaughter; ready for more news.
Another morsel of scandal, please.
Feed me.
Peach, you should definitely come on home to the Roman Catholic Church. It is totally awesome. I am a woman and I have found that the Catholic Church is the only place on earth where I have found human dignity and respect. No matter how much you learn and experience in the Catholic faith, there is always more. The Catholic Church is the only place where I feel at home. Everywhere else I feel like I don't really fit in. Look for a parish that suits you. Personally, I like going to all the different parishes in my area. Take care.
CC 2386. It can happen that one of the spouses is the innocent victim of a divorce decreed by civil law; theis spouse therefore had not contravened the moral law. There is a considerable difference between a spouse who has sincerely tried to be faithful to the sacrament of marriage and is unjustly abandoned, and one who through his own grave fault destroys a canonically valid marriage.
Perhaps if Bruskewitz' canonists had made this further distinction, it would have been more helpful.
"The 1997 clause which you claim is unfairly restrictive is aimed at those Catholics whose marriages ended due to a mortal sin. "
Even if taken out of context, this clause is inaccurate, insensitive, and does not represent Catholic belief or teaching. It does not contribute to the salvation of souls.
Bruskiewicz screwed up badly on this one. It should be called to his attention by a Nebraska freeper.
For whatever reasons, as I clearly recall from the '50s, Catholics and other folks often treated the divorced and their families like dirt. I totally believe what has been said about this treatment by the folks on this thread.
I have run into too many officious clergy to doubt any of this.
Those certain circumstances would be the instance of mortal sin.
What in your mind would be other "certain circumstances"?
As a once divorced/quickly and validly annulled Catholic, I do have a dog in this race. I've been through the process and smell a rat.
And btw, my Mom excommunicated herself for a few years in the early 60's by marrying outside the Faith. She remarried within the Church four years later to remedy the situation, so no one need tell me I don't know "how the Church was back then."
If anyone is going to make accusations about the Church they'd had better provide some proof instead of wimpering about mean people when Catholics validly contest outright falsehoods.
Divorce was and still is a social stigma among my mother's generation and before. The scandal was not simply religious but societal. The truth is, there were plenty of non-sacramental marriages back then but no one dared do anything about it. People just had affairs and/or lived separate lives.
Well, Catholics ought to have their arms open, for those who are seeking. This is one time to come from the heart, Deborah.
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