Posted on 06/07/2004 11:38:40 AM PDT by RonDog
From www.dennisprager.com:
The Latest:March with Dennis! Tomorrow morning, Tuesday, June 8, starting at 8:30am in front of the Hall of Administration at Temple and Grand.
Dennis will be there,
leading the way to save the Cross on the County seal.Bring signs! Bring your passion!
Let's not let the ACLU Taliban and their collaborators change Los Angeles history.There is good parking in city lots nearby.
Don't Let Them Change the LA County Seal!
Stop the ACLU!Call, fax, email or write to the Supervisors Molina, Burke and Yaroslavsky and tell them you want to keep the seal just as it is.
Here's a list of numbers and addresses. http://lacounty.info/Contact%20Information%20-%20English.pdf or http://bos.co.la.ca.us
Here's a picture of the Los Angeles County Seal that the ACLU wants to change. They want the county to remove the Cross because they think it makes people who are not Christian uncomfortable.
Click here to see the seal.
UPDATE???
Listening to his show now...anybody know how many peopleare down at the rally with him?
Bump!
LOL!
This is a red herring, in that several law firms have offered to do this pro bono.
I'm listening to the Dennis Prager radio program ere in L.A. It's now 11:00 AM and the host said to hear Dennis speak live, go here:
Live Broadcast at http://bos.co.la.ca.us/Categories/MtgsBoard/LiveBroadcast.htm
The regular meetings of the Board of Supervisors are held every Tuesday at 9:30 a.m. On Tuesdays following a Monday holiday the meetings begin at 1:00 p.m. To view the live broadcast download the Windows Media Player.
Dennis called in at 11:30 AM. He said that approximately 2000 people showed up at the rally with approx. 750 inside at the meeting. He recorded what he said and will play it on the air tomorrow morning. The board of supervisors were amazed at the turn-out. Ha!!
You can listen to Dennis online at http://www2.krla870.com/listen/
I believe that his program starts at 9 AM, Pacific time.
Over and out.
Thanks for the info. Its appreciated.
Thankx for the ping...
My mom, Husband, daughter and myself went out to pay our respects to Pres. Reagan last nite. From Burbank we left at 9:30pm (in hopes to miss the crowds, ha, ha).... We returned home at 5:00am.
At 7:30am I got a call from my neighbor telling me he is keeping his 4 children out of school today to protest the ACLU at city hall... I couldn't go (only two hours of sleep)... I wish I could have been there..
They said it was awesome... I can't wait to see the pix...
Of course we do, but the question is what is effective. I realize that, for Christians, there is a difference and the ACLU is (in my opinion, deliberately,) misinterpreting the establishment clause but if this were not about the Cross, but about the oil derricks on the seal, or some other aspect of the seal that would be wrong as well. It would not be as blatantly offensive to Christians as the removal of the Cross is to Christians but I would argue that it should be.
As a Christian I dont care what the L.A. County board of supervisors thinks about the Cross. The Cross, to me, symbolizes the fact that God became man and of His own volition died on that Cross for my sins, and the sins of the members of the L.A. County board of supervisors for that mater. I realize that at this time the reason (the main reason) that the ACLU is pushing to remove the Cross is, because it is a cross. But give them an inch and they will take a mile.
There were in Christian missions in California, that is an historic fact. Removing the Cross from the seal will not alter my faith, removing the Cross will not alter history; but, removing the Cross will alter something that was at least in part designed to remind us of the history of the origins of California.
By cowering down and being 'afraid' to mention Christianity, that misses the point.
I really do not think so. The idea is to win. I certainly am not advocating denying the Christian symbolism of the Cross. And, again, I acknowledge that the ACLUs interest was sparked because it was a Cross. But this is about truth, not faith.
I understand your anger but I think the more people who oppose this revision of history the better. They cant affect my faith religions tend to do better when oppressed, if we want to save souls perhaps we should let them have there way but if tyranny were ever to exist, in this country, it would have to start with the denial of history.
That is why I think it is a good to keep overt religion out of this
Nice crop Abi.
EDITORIAL: Until last week, who besides the ACLU's lawyers and a handful of bureaucrats even knew that Los Angeles County's seal incorporates an itsy-bitsy cross, along with a Spanish galleon, a tuna, the Hollywood Bowl, oil derricks, a Roman goddess of fruit and more?
If any residents noticed the tiny cross — or the seal itself, which then-Supervisor Kenneth Hahn designed in 1957 — they didn't seem to care.
Today, however, crowds of residents, goaded by conservative talk show host Dennis Prager, are expected to storm the Hall of Administration, furious that the supervisors agreed June 1 to remove the cross and redesign the seal. The deal came after the ACLU pressured Redlands into eliminating a cross from its city logo in April and then threatened to sue Los Angeles County officials if they didn't do the same.
The civil liberties group has portrayed the presence of the cross on this cluttered government seal as a church-state issue of monumental constitutional importance, equal to mandatory school prayer. Hardly.
Nonetheless, the supervisors were right to agree. Their alternative was to squander tax dollars they don't have on a legal battle they'd probably lose — if lawsuits over the seals of other cities and counties are a guide.
But an expensive and pointless legal battle is exactly what many residents are spoiling for. In recent days, supervisors say they have been deluged with phone calls and e-mails demanding that they reverse their decision and keep the cross. A motion before the board today from Supervisor Mike Antonovich would do just that; he and Supervisor Don Knabe opposed the ACLU proposal. As silly as the ACLU's obsession with government seals is, for the board to reverse course would be even sillier, ensuring that the matter lands in court.
The in-principle deal between the county and lawyers for the rights group is sensible and pragmatic. In place of the cross, the redesigned seal will recognize the county's missions and indigenous peoples. That's not rewriting or ignoring local history, despite Prager's histrionic insistence that it is. And given desperate local finances, the ACLU knows the county cannot afford to toss out all its letterhead or repaint the seal on its cars and trucks. Instead, the county will add the new seal to stationery when existing stocks are gone and to new county vehicles when old ones head to the junkyard.
Local residents still looking to protest could more usefully turn their attention to the county's dysfunctional hospitals, jails where inmates sometimes roam at will or an overburdened foster-care system in which too many kids receive abysmal service. Those are issues worth shouting about.
As a graduate student at Columbia University's Russian Institute, my field of study was totalitarianism. I learned that a major characteristic of Soviet and other totalitarian regimes was their frequent rewriting of history. As a famous Soviet dissident joke put it: "In the Soviet Union, the future is known; it's the past which is always changing." Given the relationship between changing the past and totalitarianism, there is reason to be amply frightened by the current decision of the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors to change the seal of Los Angeles County. Solely because of a letter from the American Civil Liberties Union threatening a lawsuit against Los Angeles County, the Board voted three to two to remove a tiny cross from the seal. To some people, this is not an important issue. These people do not understand what is at stake. But the ACLU knows what is at stake -- the removal of religion, specifically Christianity, from American history; and the replacing of Judeo-Christian values with leftist ones. That is why it threatened a lawsuit and gave the Board of Supervisors almost no time to deliberate. Those with radical aims do not like exposure and public debate. To understand the gravity of this issue and the intent of the ACLU and the three county supervisors, it is necessary to understand what the seal of Los Angeles County depicts. There are six small panels, three going up and down each side of the central figure of the seal, which takes up the entire length of the seal. The top left panel depicts engineering instruments; the panel below that a Spanish galleon; and the bottom left panel contains a tuna representing the fishing industry. On the right side, the top panel contains oil derricks; the next panel depicts the Hollywood bowl, along with two stars representing the movie industry and a small cross depicting, in the official words of the county, "the influence of the church and the missions of California." The lowest right side panel contains a prize cow. By far the largest object is the Goddess Pomona, the Roman goddess of gardens and fruit trees, who is depicted from top to bottom in the middle of the seal. The cross, as this description makes clear, is the smallest object in the seal. Actually seeing the seal makes its smallness even clearer. When I first looked at the seal, I didn't even see it. The cross represents the Christian history of Los Angeles County. It no more advocates Christianity than the Goddess Pomona advocates Roman paganism or the cow promotes Hinduism. It is therefore a lie to argue Los Angeles County is pushing Christianity on its citizens. As for the argument put forth by the ACLU's Ramona Ripston that the tiny cross makes non-Christians feel "unwelcome," as a Jew I find the comment equally absurd and paranoid. I have spoken to Los Angeles County rabbis of every denomination, and not one felt the cross should be removed, let alone felt "unwelcome." By the same logic, vegetarians should feel particularly unwelcome in Los Angeles County, given that two panels depict animals as food. The third dishonest argument is that of the three supervisors: They don't want to spend county money on a legal defense that will probably lose. First, the ACLU's argument is so specious that it will lose in courts where judges are not fellow leftists. Second, plenty of law firms and individual lawyers have volunteered to take the case pro bono. Third, one fights a good fight. Giving in to the ACLU's threat is an act of cowardice -- unless, of course, Supervisors Gloria Molina, Yvonne Brathwaite Burke and Zev Yaroslavsky agree with the ACLU aim of expunging Los Angeles County's Christian past. What we have here is an American version of the Taliban. The ACLU and the supervisors are leftist versions of the Taliban -- attempting to erase the Christian history of America just as the Muslim Taliban tried to erase the Buddhist history of Afghanistan when they blew up ancient Buddhist sculptures in their country. Los Angeles County is the largest county in America. If it allows its past to be expunged by a vote of three to two, America's past is sure to follow. If you want to know what happens after that, ask any student of the Soviet Union.
"The reality is that I feel very strongly about the position I've taken," Molina said. "I feel strongly that if that is what takes me down, that is what will take me down," she said of her position as an elected official.
Anybody know the source of the tune that Dennis uses as a bumper on his radio show? Its a very infectious, bouncy, and jazzy tune and definitely from a movie. I thought it was 'To Live and Die In LA' but I don't think thats right. Maybe the French Connection? Does anybody know it?
links that may be of interest
The National Reform Association
http://www.NatReformAssn.org/
Chalcedon
http://www.chalcedon.edu/
American Vision
http://www.americanvision.org/
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