DENNIS PRAGER: Don't Let Them Change LA County Seal! Stop the ACLU! Tues (6/8) 8:30am Temple/Grand

61 posted on 06/08/2004 8:48:22 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

Listening to his show now...anybody know how many peopleare down at the rally with him?

62 posted on 06/08/2004 9:16:30 AM PDT by hattend (Rest in Peace, President Reagan.)

63 posted on 06/08/2004 10:39:39 AM PDT by talleyman (Tag line at half-mast.)

To: Republicus2001

Because of the religious implication of sainthood, the Council will also be voting to change the name of the San Andreas Fault to George Bush's Fault.

LOL!

64 posted on 06/08/2004 10:42:00 AM PDT by talleyman (Tag line at half-mast.)

LA county does not want to spend the resources to take this to the Supreme Court.

This is a red herring, in that several law firms have offered to do this pro bono.

65 posted on 06/08/2004 11:01:14 AM PDT by happygrl (The democrats are trying to pave a road to the white house with the bodies of dead American soldiers)

To: wallcrawlr; RonDog

UPDATE???

I'm listening to the Dennis Prager radio program ere in L.A. It's now 11:00 AM and the host said to hear Dennis speak live, go here:

Live Broadcast at http://bos.co.la.ca.us/Categories/MtgsBoard/LiveBroadcast.htm

The regular meetings of the Board of Supervisors are held every Tuesday at 9:30 a.m. On Tuesdays following a Monday holiday the meetings begin at 1:00 p.m. To view the live broadcast download the Windows Media Player.

66 posted on 06/08/2004 11:05:21 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver

Here's another update for you:

Dennis called in at 11:30 AM. He said that approximately 2000 people showed up at the rally with approx. 750 inside at the meeting. He recorded what he said and will play it on the air tomorrow morning. The board of supervisors were amazed at the turn-out. Ha!!

You can listen to Dennis online at http://www2.krla870.com/listen/

I believe that his program starts at 9 AM, Pacific time.

Over and out.

67 posted on 06/08/2004 11:40:15 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver

To: DumpsterDiver

2000 + 750 inside? Way to go, California!

68 posted on 06/08/2004 12:26:54 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)

To: DumpsterDiver

Thanks for the info. Its appreciated.

69 posted on 06/08/2004 12:58:07 PM PDT by wallcrawlr

RALLY UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!

Crowd estimated at 1500 by the LA County Safety Police.

1/4 of the crowd estimated to be Jews, per Dennis Prager.

Conclusion...Very successful!!!!!

I got there about 7:00. Dennis and his producer arrived about 8:00. The crowd extended down street from the corner of Grand and Temple in front of the Hall of Administration Building....so many people that some went to the other side by the Cathedral. Many people just showed up. I had made 8 signs and 7 of them landed in the hands of other supporters. Some people would drive around the block with signs and flags attached to their cars and honk as they passed by. I heard only one woman on a bicycle and saw one driver giving a hand signal in dissent! Otherwise, once the passersby realized what the cause was they would show support.

Highlights: A female Cantor leading a group (multi race, creed, color, religion) marching up and down the street singing "God Bless America"!!!

750 seats in the Board of Supervisors' Board room were FILLED with protesters while hundreds kept demonstrating outside.

HONKING CARS: including police, sheriffs, safety police, fire departments, various county employees, and a very loud Coca Cola semi!!!!!

70 posted on 06/08/2004 1:58:31 PM PDT by aCookieMomster (If my people... will humble themselves and pray...then will I hear...heal their land. 2Chron7:14)

Thankx for the ping...

My mom, Husband, daughter and myself went out to pay our respects to Pres. Reagan last nite. From Burbank we left at 9:30pm (in hopes to miss the crowds, ha, ha).... We returned home at 5:00am.

At 7:30am I got a call from my neighbor telling me he is keeping his 4 children out of school today to protest the ACLU at city hall... I couldn't go (only two hours of sleep)... I wish I could have been there..

They said it was awesome... I can't wait to see the pix...

71 posted on 06/08/2004 4:31:04 PM PDT by bellas_sister (" Senator, do you know there's a girl found dead in your car?")

In reality we have every right to focus on religion and Christianity in particular. heck, the aclu is lucky it's not a crucifix on the seal! LOL. since the 'missions' were Catholic.

Of course we do, but the question is what is effective. I realize that, for Christians, there is a difference – and the ACLU is (in my opinion, deliberately,) misinterpreting the establishment clause – but if this were not about the Cross, but about the oil derricks on the seal, or some other aspect of the seal that would be wrong as well. It would not be as blatantly offensive to Christians as the removal of the Cross is to Christians but I would argue that it should be.

As a Christian I don’t care what the L.A. County board of supervisors thinks about the Cross. The Cross, to me, symbolizes the fact that God became man and of His own volition died on that Cross for my sins, and the sins of the members of the L.A. County board of supervisors for that mater. I realize that – at this time – the reason (the main reason) that the ACLU is pushing to remove the Cross is, because it is a cross. But give them an inch and they will take a mile.

There were in Christian missions in California, that is an historic fact. Removing the Cross from the seal will not alter my faith, removing the Cross will not alter history; but, removing the Cross will alter something that was – at least in part – designed to remind us of the history of the origins of California.

By cowering down and being 'afraid' to mention Christianity, that misses the point.

I really do not think so. The idea is to win. I certainly am not advocating denying the Christian symbolism of the Cross. And, again, I acknowledge that the ACLU’s interest was sparked because it was a Cross. But this is about truth, not faith.

I understand your anger but I think the more people who oppose this revision of history the better. They can’t affect my faith – religions tend to do better when oppressed, if we want to save souls perhaps we should let them have there way – but if tyranny were ever to exist, in this country, it would have to start with the denial of history.

That is why I think it is a good to keep overt religion out of this

72 posted on 06/08/2004 4:39:54 PM PDT by Friend of thunder (No sane person wants war, but oppressors want oppression.)

To: DumpsterDiver; All

By the way, the meeting will be transcribed by Thursday and you can read the transcript here when it comes out. Don't expect it earlier than Thursday, though.

73 posted on 06/08/2004 10:59:30 PM PDT by polyiguana

74 posted on 06/09/2004 7:48:06 PM PDT by John Lenin (Don't worry about the horse being blind, just load up the wagon)

The ACLU is for the cross!!!!

But only when it is associated with hate.

From the ACLU website, they have a list of what they think are their 100 most important cases. Here's one:

aclu kkk cross

Originally seen at the Rantblog, here
Additional LA Seal news here:

75 posted on 06/10/2004 1:32:43 AM PDT by rantblogger (Rantblogger can be seen http://la4israel.org/wordpress)

From Aaron's Rantblog:

ACLU Taliban in Los Angeles - I’ve Got A Bullhorn… and I Know How To Use It!

Click images to enlarge.

Why was there so little on my blog, today? Been busy gathering first hand news for my loyal readers, that's why!

I went to downtown Los Angeles to protest the removal of a cross from the Los Angeles County Seal. See my first post Save Los Angeles - It's Time to Fight the Secular Taliban for some background.

Radio host/columnist Dennis Prager came to rally what Free Republic suggests was 2000 with 750 inside -- but I think this is high by at least 20-30%. (Update... the Los Angeles Daily News thinks otherwise! See first article listed under the Los Angeles Daily News, below.)

I arrived with my sister-in-law at about 8:40 am and there were banners and flags but the crowd was sparse and quiet, maybe 70 on one side of the street and a dozen on the other. By the time Dennis Prager arrived, the crowd had thickened rapidly, easily 300. By 9:30, it was well-packed and estimates were that the crowd was approaching 1000.

Did I say "the crowd was sparse and quiet"? Oh... that was until I took out my bullhorn and got the first crowd chants going. First was a warm up of "Honk for History", enlisting many, many sympathetic drivers. But what seemed to rouse the crowd was a chant I made up on the fly, "A-C-L-U [beat] Taliban, We Don't Want You!" I can't manage my bullhorn and my video camera at the same time, so you can't hear it. All I know is that about a dozen people came up to me shortly thereafter asking if I was with any organization.

Remind me to buy a case of lozenges to store with my bullhorn. At least the crowd was spared my feeble singing ability that I displayed last year while protesting Michael Moore at the 2003 Oscars (go read Rantblogger FReeps the Oscars… or I got blisters on my tonsils!) and sang the Star Spangled Banner and America the Beautiful and led the Pledge of Allegiance [special slow loud emphasis on the words UNDER GOD].

Coverage included:

Free Republic:
- DENNIS PRAGER: Don't Let Them Change LA County Seal! Stop the ACLU! Tues (6/8) 8:30am Temple/Grand
- RALLY TUESDAY-L.A. BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO VOTE ON CROSS ISSUE...
Los Angeles Times
- Protesters Rally for County Seal Cross
- Crossing Swords Over the LA County Seal (letters)
- A Symbol of Our History - - Not a Seal of Approval for a Religion
- Tiny Symbol, Huge Fuss
  EDITORIAL: Until last week, who besides the ACLU's lawyers and a handful of bureaucrats even knew that Los Angeles County's seal incorporates an itsy-bitsy cross, along with a Spanish galleon, a tuna, the Hollywood Bowl, oil derricks, a Roman goddess of fruit and more?
  
  If any residents noticed the tiny cross — or the seal itself, which then-Supervisor Kenneth Hahn designed in 1957 — they didn't seem to care.
  
  Today, however, crowds of residents, goaded by conservative talk show host Dennis Prager, are expected to storm the Hall of Administration, furious that the supervisors agreed June 1 to remove the cross and redesign the seal. The deal came after the ACLU pressured Redlands into eliminating a cross from its city logo in April and then threatened to sue Los Angeles County officials if they didn't do the same.
  
  The civil liberties group has portrayed the presence of the cross on this cluttered government seal as a church-state issue of monumental constitutional importance, equal to mandatory school prayer. Hardly.
  
  Nonetheless, the supervisors were right to agree. Their alternative was to squander tax dollars they don't have on a legal battle they'd probably lose — if lawsuits over the seals of other cities and counties are a guide.
  
  But an expensive and pointless legal battle is exactly what many residents are spoiling for. In recent days, supervisors say they have been deluged with phone calls and e-mails demanding that they reverse their decision and keep the cross. A motion before the board today from Supervisor Mike Antonovich would do just that; he and Supervisor Don Knabe opposed the ACLU proposal. As silly as the ACLU's obsession with government seals is, for the board to reverse course would be even sillier, ensuring that the matter lands in court.
  
  The in-principle deal between the county and lawyers for the rights group is sensible and pragmatic. In place of the cross, the redesigned seal will recognize the county's missions and indigenous peoples. That's not rewriting or ignoring local history, despite Prager's histrionic insistence that it is. And given desperate local finances, the ACLU knows the county cannot afford to toss out all its letterhead or repaint the seal on its cars and trucks. Instead, the county will add the new seal to stationery when existing stocks are gone and to new county vehicles when old ones head to the junkyard.
  
  Local residents still looking to protest could more usefully turn their attention to the county's dysfunctional hospitals, jails where inmates sometimes roam at will or an overburdened foster-care system in which too many kids receive abysmal service. Those are issues worth shouting about.
Los Angeles Daily News:
- Vote on cross upheld before angry crowd By Troy Anderson. Despite passionate pleas from an overflow crowd of 2,000, Los Angeles County's Board of Supervisors refused Tuesday ...
- Public takes up cross battle
- Maybe bullies can target pagans next
- Cross-bearing: County seal flap illustrates political correctness gone wild
- ACLU forgets to say don't have a cow
- Supervisors to negotiate cross protest: Antonovich flays majority on refusal to fight ACLU
- Declining to fight (letters)
- County seal may be altered: ACLU complaint may remove cross
- Seal secrecy: County supervisors ignore 10 million residents to cut backroom deal with ACLU
- Historical society to buy cross site in face of ACLU suit threat
- Big outcry over tiny cross: Board's compromise on county seal sparks outrage
- ACLU won't contest city seal (sic)/strong>
- Civil liberties (letters)
NBC news:
San Jose Mercury News, CA:
WorldNetDaily, OR
Hundreds demand LA County reconsider decision to strip symbol ...
Hundreds appeared outside the Los Angeles County Hall of Administration this morning to protest the Board of Supervisors' decision to remove a ...
CNS News Service - Removal of Cross from County Seal Brings Lawsuit
Agape Press, MS
Long Beach Press-Telegram, CA - Supervisors eye reversal on seal
Pasadena Star-News, CA - Eureka! Seal deal honors church
Pioneer Press, MN - ACLU declines to fight rosary in LA city seal
Sarasota Herald-Tribune, FL - LA County Board of Supervisors vote to redesign county seal
GOP USA:
ACLU Threatens To Sue LA Over Cross in County Seal
Town Hall, DC - Removal of Cross from County Seal Brings Lawsuit
Dennis Prager's Essay: Taliban come to Los Angeles
As a graduate student at Columbia University's Russian Institute, my field of study was totalitarianism. I learned that a major characteristic of Soviet and other totalitarian regimes was their frequent rewriting of history. As a famous Soviet dissident joke put it: "In the Soviet Union, the future is known; it's the past which is always changing." Given the relationship between changing the past and totalitarianism, there is reason to be amply frightened by the current decision of the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors to change the seal of Los Angeles County. Solely because of a letter from the American Civil Liberties Union threatening a lawsuit against Los Angeles County, the Board voted three to two to remove a tiny cross from the seal. To some people, this is not an important issue. These people do not understand what is at stake. But the ACLU knows what is at stake -- the removal of religion, specifically Christianity, from American history; and the replacing of Judeo-Christian values with leftist ones. That is why it threatened a lawsuit and gave the Board of Supervisors almost no time to deliberate. Those with radical aims do not like exposure and public debate. To understand the gravity of this issue and the intent of the ACLU and the three county supervisors, it is necessary to understand what the seal of Los Angeles County depicts. There are six small panels, three going up and down each side of the central figure of the seal, which takes up the entire length of the seal. The top left panel depicts engineering instruments; the panel below that a Spanish galleon; and the bottom left panel contains a tuna representing the fishing industry. On the right side, the top panel contains oil derricks; the next panel depicts the Hollywood bowl, along with two stars representing the movie industry and a small cross depicting, in the official words of the county, "the influence of the church and the missions of California." The lowest right side panel contains a prize cow. By far the largest object is the Goddess Pomona, the Roman goddess of gardens and fruit trees, who is depicted from top to bottom in the middle of the seal. The cross, as this description makes clear, is the smallest object in the seal. Actually seeing the seal makes its smallness even clearer. When I first looked at the seal, I didn't even see it. The cross represents the Christian history of Los Angeles County. It no more advocates Christianity than the Goddess Pomona advocates Roman paganism or the cow promotes Hinduism. It is therefore a lie to argue Los Angeles County is pushing Christianity on its citizens. As for the argument put forth by the ACLU's Ramona Ripston that the tiny cross makes non-Christians feel "unwelcome," as a Jew I find the comment equally absurd and paranoid. I have spoken to Los Angeles County rabbis of every denomination, and not one felt the cross should be removed, let alone felt "unwelcome." By the same logic, vegetarians should feel particularly unwelcome in Los Angeles County, given that two panels depict animals as food. The third dishonest argument is that of the three supervisors: They don't want to spend county money on a legal defense that will probably lose. First, the ACLU's argument is so specious that it will lose in courts where judges are not fellow leftists. Second, plenty of law firms and individual lawyers have volunteered to take the case pro bono. Third, one fights a good fight. Giving in to the ACLU's threat is an act of cowardice -- unless, of course, Supervisors Gloria Molina, Yvonne Brathwaite Burke and Zev Yaroslavsky agree with the ACLU aim of expunging Los Angeles County's Christian past. What we have here is an American version of the Taliban. The ACLU and the supervisors are leftist versions of the Taliban -- attempting to erase the Christian history of America just as the Muslim Taliban tried to erase the Buddhist history of Afghanistan when they blew up ancient Buddhist sculptures in their country. Los Angeles County is the largest county in America. If it allows its past to be expunged by a vote of three to two, America's past is sure to follow. If you want to know what happens after that, ask any student of the Soviet Union.
From The Blogosphere:
- Professor Bainbridge: Los Angeles Succumbs to ACLU War on Religion in the Public Square
- Cobb: Welcoming Seal
Estimates were that nearly 30% of the attendees of the rally were Jewish, putting to rest the foaming rants about a "Jewish conspiracy". Folks... the Jews in the ACLU are no more "Jewish" than someone named Christopher is necessarily Christian. When someone espouses radical secularism as a faith, the accidental status of their inherited religion ceases to matter. Aside from Dennis Prager and his producer Allan Estrin, I ran into many other Orthodox Jews that I knew, personally.

What does the neo-nazi Aztlan group (Ernesto Cienfuegos and Hector Carreon seem to be the group's Sheikh Yassin and Abdel Rantisi, respectively) have to say about:
"The reality is that I feel very strongly about the position I've taken," Molina said. "I feel strongly that if that is what takes me down, that is what will take me down," she said of her position as an elected official.

Let's help Gloria and Zev and Yvonne. There are proposals to put this on the ballot this November. I suggest adding recalls of these three Councilmen to the ballot, too. I suggest that we need to recall these fat-cat clowns who refuse to heed their constituencies no matter the outcome.

Dennis recalled the fundamentally American incident in 1993 in Billings, Montana.
Time to pay our freedom to worship forward, again. Stop the secular taliban, the ACLU!

76 posted on 06/10/2004 1:38:50 AM PDT by rantblogger (Rantblogger can be seen http://la4israel.org/wordpress)

More coverage from Aaron's Rantblog

By the way, the bullhorn shown was first used to FREEP Michael Moore at the 2003 Oscars! See Rantblogger FReeps the Oscars… or I got blisters on my tonsils! (has photos!)

Protesting the Secular Taliban – Photos of Dennis Prager Grabbing the Bullhorn by the …

More scenes from the protest:

Huge crowd. Honking horns. No amplification. Not a good recipe.

Aaron hands Dennis his personal Rantblogging bullhorn (doesn't EVERYONE have one?!?). Instead of pressing on talk button, Dennis presses another button and ejects the batteries. We almost have it figured out but the bullhorn siren is going off. Aaron fixes everything, hands Dennis the functional bullhorn and, with a smirk, Dennis proceeds.

Dennis... wowing the crowd. What? No pitchforks? No burning effigies? Tar and feathers? Oh... these are RELIGIOUS American protesters, Christians, Jews, Buddhists and athiests all rallying together. THESE are American values... not the ACLU-castrated bureaucrats behind the doors. Dennis eventually gets a better amplification system, but this was better than nothing.

Keep tuned to the Rantblog. More photos and videos to come!

If you like stuff like this, visit and blogroll the Rantblog.

77 posted on 06/10/2004 1:49:52 AM PDT by rantblogger (Rantblogger can be seen http://la4israel.org/wordpress)

Anybody know the source of the tune that Dennis uses as a bumper on his radio show? Its a very infectious, bouncy, and jazzy tune and definitely from a movie. I thought it was 'To Live and Die In LA' but I don't think thats right. Maybe the French Connection? Does anybody know it?

78 posted on 06/10/2004 10:50:59 AM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)

links that may be of interest

The National Reform Association
http://www.NatReformAssn.org/

Chalcedon
http://www.chalcedon.edu/

American Vision
http://www.americanvision.org/

79 posted on 06/10/2004 10:54:18 AM PDT by PresbyRev (Christ is Lord over all spheres of human thought and life.)

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