Posted on 05/30/2004 8:54:37 PM PDT by Badray
Since I wrote this, there are a few comments that I'd like to add.
On Friday night, I again saw Rep Habay at a local GOP committee social event where I believe he was trying to mend some fences and build some bridges with the Toomey camp. He tried to downplay our earlier discussion, but I told him that we still had a few rounds to go.
I've been told countless times now that voting for Hoeffel is reprehensible and that I cannot possibly be a conservative if I'm willing to vote for this Democrat who is more likely a socialist.
I will agree that what I am doing and advocating others to do is not a normal course of action. Half a loaf is better than none, says the old saw. Generally speaking, this is true, but replacing liberal Specter in the Senate with a socialist Hoeffel is a small tradeoff when you consider that we also accomplish putting a real conservative -- Jon Kyl -- into the Chairmanship of the Judiciary Committee.
Kyl's credentials are impeccible. He'll do what is right simply because it is right. We won't have to persuade him, cajole him, or make deals with him that we can only hope that he'll honor.
If, instead of Kyl, Specter's loss would mean that a Snowe, a Collins, a Chaffee, a Jeffords, or some other spineless, gutless coward like Frist would chair that committee, I would not be advocating this action.
We face a unique opportunity to get rid of one of the RINOs that is obstructing a Republican, conservative or a Constitutional agenda. This may be the last chance in many of our lifetimes to have an elected Republican government in DC.
We see in our own lives the value of our principles. We know that our principles are the right ones. We know that our nation will grow and prosper under a government that leads with those principles. We just need to courage to take a bold step and show that the Republican Party stands for something meaningful. Something beyond being in the majority, but with no core and no spine.
I hope that you all enjoy a safe Memorial Day. May God bless America and America's brave defenders in uniform.
We just need to courage to take a bold step and just DO IT!!!!!
I think you are misguided. Doing good means first, identifying a problem and then second, have a plan that improves on the situation.
You identified the problem, specter is a rino. You have no plan that improves on the situation since specter wins or the democrat wins. The democrat winning, does not improve the situation. Toomey lost the primary, now get over it and support specter. If Toomey won the primary and specter's supporters started freeping Toomey, you would be crying foul, and rightfuly so.
What you said! :-)
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I can support this only if the Republicans will gain several seats this November. Otherwise it is better to preserve the majority than to put an extreme leftist like Joe Hoeffel in the Senate.
You identified the problem, specter is a rino. You have no plan that improves on the situation since specter wins or the democrat wins."
I'm trying to make lemonaid from the lemons that we have. Jon Kyl will make things better if he is chairing the SJC. Or didn't you read that far?
There is nothing to get over. I've wanted Specter out of office for a long time. Toomey was our best alternative and our best chance, but Bush and Santorum mucked that up. Plan B is to de-elect the RINO by whatever means necessary. Vote for Joe Hoeffel.
The RINO Ganske lost by 10 points.
Thanks!
The 'settlers' that we have today, just don't measure up to the settlers who founded this country, do they?
I won't settle for Specter.
Well, he is betting that the Republicans will hold on to the Senate without Specter. Must admit that prospect is very pleasant. If Kerry wins, Specter will grease the wheels for all his judifical nominees. If Bush is re-elected, we will get more of the stuff that Hatch has been handing out.
Specter's loss would mean that a Snowe, a Collins, a Chaffee, a Jeffords, or some other spineless, gutless coward like Frist would chair that committee, I would not be advocating this action.
But a Pat Leahy(Who I think it would be), Dianne Feinswine, Joe Biden, or Ted Kennedy would be worse. The Senate majority could go down to the wire too. It's a gambit. While Specter would be terrible, the dem would be worse, and Schumer will likely chair a subcommittee. Jon Kyl is better, but he won't make it if there isn't a majority.
I know you do what you have to do, but keeping the senate is not a give, and I hope you consider that in your vote. No matter what, Specter will be gone in 6 years anyway if not earlier. Hoeffel may be there for 20+.
I understand and it's my contention as well as that of every pundit and talking head that we will. For the Dems to win the Senate back, they'd need to win 8 out of 10 open seats. No one, not even bill clinton and terry mcauliffe are predicting that.
Ditto! I'll vote for any rino if I think it can get a filibuster proof Senate. That's the goal! The the only way we're going to gain ground in the "culture wars" is by getting more conservative justices appointed to the courts. I see no problem with this in respect to Arlen. Or his place on the judiciary committee.
RINOs do not support a republican, let alone conservative, agenda. Their numbers do not add to our strength, they dilute our message and give liberals another way to win and wield power over us. We have to stop them anyway we can. At the ballot box, of course. ;-)
One other comment. I'd still rather have 41 solid conservatives who will fight for principle than 59 squishy RINOs that do not hold our values as dear as we do. We lose with RINOs.
The problem with voting Republican is you no longer get half a loaf, or a quarter of a loaf. Reagan knew how to leave the table with something, the rest give away the farm with both hands and are happy to promote more socialism, or worse, globalism.
It's become a why bother for every voter I know IRL many of whom have no intention of visiting the polls this Nov. My neighbor, who has a picture of herself and Bush at a function shocked me when she said she will not vote for him again. Seems a gay friend of her's convinced her that we needed Bush to fight the war, now that he has done his job, we need Kerry to negotiate a peace and get us back in line with the E.U. and U.N.
We had a long talk, I hope I had an impact on her thinking. I don't plan to vote for Bush myself, but a persons reason should not be the reasons she came up with. The thing about the Republican Party courting RINO's at the expense of their conservative base is, that the loyalty of a RINO is not even skin deep.
I'm not just talking about keeping the Democrats from winning back the Senate. I am saying that I can only support replacing a Republican with a Democrat (which is what you advocate) if the Republicans are going to pick up additional seats.
Thanks. I'm glad that you can see past the fog on this. Without the accountability of ever having to face the voters again, Specter's record is only going to get worse, not better. He's already dissed Bush 3 times in the last 30 days.
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