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To: Badray

I think you are misguided. Doing good means first, identifying a problem and then second, have a plan that improves on the situation.

You identified the problem, specter is a rino. You have no plan that improves on the situation since specter wins or the democrat wins. The democrat winning, does not improve the situation. Toomey lost the primary, now get over it and support specter. If Toomey won the primary and specter's supporters started freeping Toomey, you would be crying foul, and rightfuly so.


3 posted on 05/30/2004 9:02:43 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue

What you said! :-)


4 posted on 05/30/2004 9:04:03 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: staytrue
"I think you are misguided. Doing good means first, identifying a problem and then second, have a plan that improves on the situation.

You identified the problem, specter is a rino. You have no plan that improves on the situation since specter wins or the democrat wins."

I'm trying to make lemonaid from the lemons that we have. Jon Kyl will make things better if he is chairing the SJC. Or didn't you read that far?

There is nothing to get over. I've wanted Specter out of office for a long time. Toomey was our best alternative and our best chance, but Bush and Santorum mucked that up. Plan B is to de-elect the RINO by whatever means necessary. Vote for Joe Hoeffel.

7 posted on 05/30/2004 9:11:15 PM PDT by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: staytrue

Well, he is betting that the Republicans will hold on to the Senate without Specter. Must admit that prospect is very pleasant. If Kerry wins, Specter will grease the wheels for all his judifical nominees. If Bush is re-elected, we will get more of the stuff that Hatch has been handing out.


10 posted on 05/30/2004 9:13:30 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: staytrue

Ditto! I'll vote for any rino if I think it can get a filibuster proof Senate. That's the goal! The the only way we're going to gain ground in the "culture wars" is by getting more conservative justices appointed to the courts. I see no problem with this in respect to Arlen. Or his place on the judiciary committee.


14 posted on 05/30/2004 9:18:12 PM PDT by Coeur de Lion
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To: staytrue
Toomey lost the primary, now get over it and support specter.

I'm no doubt among millions who are really, truly tired of hearing that we "must" keep reelecting and reelecting piles of crap like Specter.

When does it stop? Are piles of crap like Specter always going to be "good enough", do we just have to wait for them to die of old age in office after squandering hundreds of billions more, or do Big Stupid Government Republicans plan on drawing the line somewhere, someday?

67 posted on 05/30/2004 11:29:46 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Is Fallujah gone yet?)
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To: staytrue

Is this similar to the situation in NJ where the Republican leadership, particularly Sen. Don Di Fiasco (then acting Governor when Whitless went to Washington), abandoned Bret Schundler, the winner of the Republican Primary, and privately supported James Mc Greedy?


145 posted on 05/31/2004 12:35:30 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: staytrue
I could agree with you but for one small problem. Democrats march in lockstep or they are not allowed to vote. Case in point the Judicial Nominees and the filibustering. Fact is the Democrats are controlled by the liberals and that wont change in the near future. I would have liked to see Specter defeated by a conservative Republican but I would as soon vote for the devil himself as a Democrat. This upcoming election will give the Supreme Court to the liberals if we are not careful. The Republicans do not have the fight in them that the liberal do and you can bet they wont filibuster they have more important things to do. The average American is caught between a rock and a hard place and the average American Democrat is as loyal as the liberal Democrats in Congress.
184 posted on 05/31/2004 2:01:19 PM PDT by gunnedah
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To: staytrue

You are incorrect. The most important thing is not electing a Republican senator from Pennsylvania, but rather to keep Arlen Spector from being chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. If he gets that position he will do great harm to the Constitution, the Republic, and the Republican Party. He is evil.


499 posted on 06/02/2004 12:15:41 PM PDT by rcofdayton
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To: staytrue

I must disagree. If you look at it simply from the perspective of who wins in November - Specter or Hoeffel, yes, however, that is not the end of the story. The residuals of the following 6 years in office of the candidate who wins(regardless of under which party umbrella either is running), is the key. Should Specter prevail in November, he then (as he is next in line) becomes the Chair of the Judiciary Committee. We already know we cannot trust that Specter can be counted upon to stand for the principles of conservatives. His voting record proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt. It is not only possible, but probable, that he will affect the appointment of the next justice to sit on the Supreme Court bench. The ramifications of that appointment [going by the issues Arlen supports, pro-choice, human cloning (creating human life to use in labs with the intent to kill these babies when they are no longer useful), and the many other positions he takes that are not in line with conservative, moral thinkers] will live long after Specter is gone not only from the US Senate, but from this world. Effectively, his choice(s) will be on the bench for 40-45 years, maybe more. The damage that can be caused is mind-boggling.
In the alternative, voting in November for Hoeffel will then place (R) Senator Kyl of Arizona as next in line for the chairmanship. Kyl is a strong, proven conservative and would be a far better representative of the moral majority. Hoeffel then, being a freshman senator, would have little power to cause long-term damage. Any potential damage is far more containable. In 2010, the next time this seat is open for election, we then place another strong, conservative candidate in the race (hopeful that Pat Toomey will agree to run again), we can, with far less opposition that in the current election (and recent primary), prevail and re-gain this seat for republicans in the House.


634 posted on 06/03/2004 5:03:49 AM PDT by irishrose2262
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To: staytrue
If Toomey won the primary and specter's supporters started freeping Toomey, you would be crying foul, and rightfuly so.

Sorry, those days ended for me when the GOP "moderates" stabbed the brilliant conservative Bret Schundler in the back here in New Jersey after he won the primary over their hand-picked guy. I suspect the same thing would have happened in PA. I will never EVER vote for another RINO. Those days are over.
656 posted on 06/03/2004 10:38:23 AM PDT by Antoninus (Federal Marriage Amendment, NOW!)
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