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Do Fossils Show a Worldwide Record of Evolution?
Creation-Evolution Headlines ^ | 5/21/2004 | Creation-Evolution Headlines

Posted on 05/23/2004 9:40:03 PM PDT by bondserv

Do Fossils Show a Worldwide Record of Evolution?   05/21/2004
The fossil record is the acid test of evolutionary theory.  Everyone who walks a dog knows that small-scale variation occurs among living species, but non-evolutionists get understandably annoyed when Darwinians extrapolate the observed variations to encompass all of life: as if to say, because finch beaks vary, therefore humans had bacteria ancestors.  Darwin’s bold hypothesis connected all living things into a branching tree of life.  He claimed that, ultimately, whales and oaks and kangaroos and seashells could trace their ancestry to single-celled organisms.  The only way to connect this hypothesis to actual earth history is to examine the fossil record.  Does the record of the rocks show a sequence of life evolving from simple to complex?
    Those who assume so might be disturbed by a paper in the Annual Review of Earth and Planetary Sciences1 by Peter M. Sadler (UC Riverside).  The annual reviews are a good place to catch up on the state of the art of this or that discipline.  Sadler’s review concerns quantitative biostratigraphy, the attempt to correlate global fossil data.  Things are looking up in this field; fossil data is becoming more available in large databases, and computers are making the number-crunching easier.  He takes the reader through the latest computer algorithms that attempt to correlate fossils from tens, hundreds, or thousands of sites around the world into a unified, global time sequence.  Though his lengthy paper never questions evolution (and hardly mentions it), and while written with a tone of scholarly confidence, it gives a distinct impression that biostratigraphy is more art than science.
    Imagine an ideal record where everything that had died left a fossil, and these fossils accumulated upward, layer upon layer, since the beginning of life.  If evolution had occurred, each species would have a first appearance in the record (a first-appearance datum, or FAD), and when it went extinct, it would exhibit a last-appearance datum, or LAD.  These “horizons” would form a vertical timeline for each species, which could be correlated with similar ones around the world.  Assume it were also possible to reliably date each layer.  Tracing the history of life, then, would be a piece of cake; actually, a layer cake, because the layers would preserve a clear sequence, from oldest at the bottom, to youngest at the top.  The fossils they contain, if evolution had occurred, would clearly exhibit increasing complexity as each new phylum, order, class, genus and species appeared through time.
    Alas, as with most things in life, the situation is far from being so simple.  Sadler points out a number of difficulties that make global correlation of fossil-bearing strata a challenge:



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1 posted on 05/23/2004 9:40:03 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: Elsie; AndrewC; jennyp; lockeliberty; RadioAstronomer; LiteKeeper; Fester Chugabrew; ...

Pinging for Fossils!


2 posted on 05/23/2004 9:42:48 PM PDT by bondserv (Alignment is critical!)
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To: bondserv

You're asking for trouble :-)


3 posted on 05/23/2004 9:45:33 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: bondserv

Have a fossilized red herring-
that nonsense is full of them
4 posted on 05/23/2004 9:51:47 PM PDT by happydogdesign
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To: bondserv
Peter Sadler musta studied with Professor Irwin Cory.

I thought lawyers were the worst abusers of language.To wit:

"Paleobiologists can extract considerable information [sic] about the phylogenetic sequence [sic] of taxa by analyzing the morphology of fossils, without recourse to stratigraphic information. But these insights [sic] do not yet aid the correlation task as much as they might. To date, more effort has been committed to questions concerning the place of stratigraphic information in cladistic analyses of morphology than to the possibility that the resulting cladograms provide independent evidence of sequence that can improve biostratigraphy"

Mmmmmm, beer.

5 posted on 05/23/2004 9:56:04 PM PDT by dasboot
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To: bondserv
Gaps: “Relative to marine Cenozoic correlation problems, nonmarine instances suffer from a lack of continuous sections,”

What exactly are gaps and continuous sections? Fossil don’t take well to the ages, as a result only a small percentage of a given population in a time period is preserved and discovered. Evolution is a continuous process. Between any two consecutive fossils, another missing link can be inserted (if found). Every such insertion would replace a “gap” with two “gaps.”

The fact is, there is only a limited amount of fossils available. Most of the time, these are not the ones that we want, but rather those that preserved well. If we were to plot out the complete evolutionary course of species, we would need a fossil evidence of each generational member throughout all lineages. Basically, we would need all the calcium bones ever grown by a living being. Filling in the “gaps” is an irrational proposition from an irrational stance.
6 posted on 05/23/2004 10:03:39 PM PDT by eladamry
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To: dasboot
Mmmmmm, beer.

Are you sure you didn't mean [hic] instead of [sic]?

7 posted on 05/23/2004 10:04:46 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: bondserv

Careful bond. You're threatening their tenuous excuse for a worldview. Better watch it! They'll come at you with big words and fancy expressions, to show how stupid you are and how smart they are (oh my!!!)


8 posted on 05/23/2004 10:06:16 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: bondserv

Creationists think fossils and evolution are the work of the devil. I think fossils and evolution are the work of God the creator.


9 posted on 05/23/2004 10:13:58 PM PDT by Reagan Man (The choice is clear. Reelect BUSH-CHENEY !)
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To: Lexinom
You're asking for trouble :-)

Trouble is my brother. :-)

10 posted on 05/23/2004 10:14:07 PM PDT by bondserv (Alignment is critical!)
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To: bondserv

Well, at least this is an attempt at scientific explanation.....it's a bit more than some book claiming that a Jewish hippy is the son of God.


11 posted on 05/23/2004 10:15:19 PM PDT by zarf (..where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base that has an attachment?)
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To: Reagan Man
Creationists think fossils and evolution are the work of the devil. I think fossils and evolution are the work of God the creator.

I would rephrase your statement:

Creationists think the fossil record's interpretation by evolutionists is choreographed by the Devil. Fossils are the work of dead animals buried rapidly, not allowing for decomposition.

12 posted on 05/23/2004 10:18:24 PM PDT by bondserv (Alignment is critical!)
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To: Lexinom; bondserv

And some people mock Mohammedanism because it's based on accepting as Truth what a primitive Middle-Eastern herdsman understood. Go figure.


13 posted on 05/23/2004 10:19:01 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: Oztrich Boy

Even it, though, has more of a basis for truth than that which passes for science which attempts to deny the foundation of truth by denying first causes. To deny a sovereign God is to deny the laws of logic, which would then stand as transcendent truth on their own. Completely illogical.


14 posted on 05/23/2004 10:23:37 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: bondserv

Evolutionary theory isn't perfect, but it's still the BEST explanation of all the available evidence.


15 posted on 05/23/2004 10:26:14 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: Reagan Man
As a creationist, I find this statement intriguing: "I think fossils and evolution are the work of God the creator".

Many pursue the natural sciences diligently in hope of raising an explanation for our existence that excludes the need for Creation by an all-powerful Being. Given the fact you acknowledged a Creator, would one be correct in assuming this is not you?

16 posted on 05/23/2004 10:31:23 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: bondserv

Get a fing clue! While you fiddle Rome burns! The issue is beating islam and excluding all muSSlime immigrants from our LAND!


17 posted on 05/23/2004 10:32:13 PM PDT by Righty1
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To: canuck_conservative

...since of course we cannot accept the Bible's explanation, because that would mean we're all accountable for actions and have ramifications for the way we ought to live...


18 posted on 05/23/2004 10:32:29 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: zarf
"Notice that “gap” is a loaded word. What if it is a brute fact that the data are discontinuous? Then that is the true sequence; there are no gaps. A gap is only a gap if you assume evolution. Why not face the evidence squarely: living taxa are discontinuous, and fossil taxa are discontinuous. They appeared abruptly, and some died abruptly. If it weren’t that such an admission destroys Darwinism, that would be what the textbooks would matter-of-factly present."

There exists no proof of Evolution, only data which suggest that we actually do live in the fallen, decaying world described in Genesis (and Revelation).

What the technobabble crowd crow about as being evidence of Evolution is, in fact, the fossil record of a world in genetic decline since the sin event recorded in the Garden of Eden.

In other words, the evidence used to hype Chucky's flawed Theory is actually proof of the Truth found only in the Bible.

Choose this day Whom you will serve. It is either God or Satan... there exists no middle ground.

;-/

19 posted on 05/23/2004 10:36:13 PM PDT by Gargantua (Choose this day Whom you will serve.)
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To: bondserv
Do Fossils Show a Worldwide Record of Evolution?

Yes. Any other questions?

20 posted on 05/23/2004 10:38:15 PM PDT by AZLiberty (Of course, you realize this means war! -- Bugs Bunny, borrowing from Groucho Marx)
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