Posted on 05/23/2004 3:53:42 PM PDT by Matchett-PI
Edited on 05/23/2004 5:21:43 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Host Eric Shawn
Guest: John Loftus (the author of four histories about Intelligence operations, a consultant for CBS 60 MINUTES and ABC - PRIME TIME, among others. He was a prosecutor with the U.S. Justice Department Nazi hunting unit with unprecedented access to top secret C.I.A. and NATO archives)
Under discussion is this story in the NY Times today:
Excerpt transcribed by me from my videotape:
Eric Shawn: "John Loftus told us about it months ago right here on Inside Scoop. John, that's why we call it, 'Inside Scoop' - you beat the New York Times again. Congratulations!"
John Loftus: "Thank you very much."
Eric: "How do you do it?"
John: "Well, ummm, this little country lawyer used to have a Q clearance for nuclear weapons secrets and I was told about this amazing wiretap where British Intelligence overheard a call from North Korea to Libya saying, 'My god, if the Americans ever go into Iraq, they're going to find out about our nuclear program. And who's going to pay all the Iraqi nuclear scientists in Libya if Saddam falls?''"
Eric: "You're saying before the war there were Iraqi nuclear scientists working on a potential bomb in Libya before we launched this [war in Iraq]?
John: "Yeah. This was a treaty signed by a man called Ali Sobree (sp?). He was the foreign minister of Iraq. And he went to Khadafy and they worked out a whole protocol. Khadafy would donate a hollowed out mountain in Libya; Iraq would provide the nuclear scientists, and North Korea would provide the uranium. And they would literally make a factory for nuclear weapons. And once that factory was complete, we had lost the war on terrorism. People don't realize that even a small nuclear weapon can kill 300,000 people. That's one hundred 9-11's. So that's why we put [garbled] bin Laden on the back burner -- we were really focusing on getting the Ali Sobree protocol - we had to smash that ring."
Eric: "Now when you talk about Saddam and the war on terror - we've had conversations - your indication is that President Bush understood this after 9-11 and he was mostly concerned about a nuclear bomb from Libya or Iraq or Iran."
John: "Eric, that's EXACTLY it. Within a month after 9-11, British wiretaps showed that we had a MAJOR risk. Nuclear weapons in terrorist's hands would be devastating. And that's why the president said, 'OK, we're gonna shift the emphasis from Afghanistan and Osama bin Laden. We're gonna go into Iraq - that's where the evidence is - we have to capture Ali Sobree."
Eric: "Yeah, but critics say, 'Oh the war is about oil' - ' The war is about democracy'. You say there's someting else going on. ..."
John: "This is absolutely necessary, Eric. Had we not smashed the program, within the next 3 or 4 months - on the schedule they were on - Libya would have finished the nuclear factory - we couldn't touch it. We were designing nuclear bunker-busters to try and get into the mountain [but] even that wouldn't work. Once the Islamic bomb was finished - America - the rest of the western nations were finished. We couldn't stand city after city evaporating by nuclear weapons."
Eric: "In other words, going into Iraq, in your view, having Khadafy now basically give up and surrender everything to us, getting the connection to North Korea and Iran - was a major strategy in the war on terror?"
John: "It was THE major strategy. Khadafy has now confirmed he is going to hand the Ali Sobree protocols over to the United States. Sobree, himself, is now in US custody and he is already scheduled as one of the first three witnesses in the trial of Saddam Hussein.
Sadam's biggest crime? While he was starving his own people to death, his money and his scientists were hiding in Libya to make a factory for nuclear weapons to attack any major power in the world." ...
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
Go to this thread, 10th paragraph down.
He was a Clinton appointed judge, too.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1134435/posts
My take: Because for 10 years we had to listen to the media and the Democrats jab George the 1st for NOT going "all the way to Baghdad".
Well, now we're there..........and all they can do is bitch and do everything within their power to undermine our effort.
Are we ready to take on the pot-bellied little smiling scumbag? Not yet, unless we just want to nuke the place. All in good time.
Nonetheless, knowing our media, if more is made of this they will ask us TO DO something before we're ready...........and then bitch about it afterword.
To Kozak (#44): All of the above.
All in good time, my pretty, all in good time.
It's possible, though. Popularity polls in May don't mean squat.
Thanks a million! BTTT!!!
Thanks! I hope you do find it.
That late and it will not be accepted by the public; will be seen as no more than grabbing at straws; the Dems will make sure.
They will make sure no matter when this hits; but if this is true. . .October, too late IMHO.
Ping! BTTT!!!
Thanks!
Do you have a link to the FULL article? All I am getting is the fox.com main website, and I can't find the article listed...
It was mentioned months ago.
Am beginning to wonder really. . .yes, we know these things to be true; and we wait. . .and wait for the Administration to come out with the 'truth' and save our day; and they do not come; in fact, with regard to the 'subject matter'; they are often no where in sight.
OKC stuff out there for how long; not long after it happened; almost everything we 'think' we know now; was being pushed around the internet then. But to what(?) - it did not stop an execution; and has yet to reframe the OKC disaster by a Liberal margin of one.
I remain. . .just disgusted by our expectations; and the failure that meets them.
It's BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAK!!!:)
You're welcome. This has been percolating in the background for some time now. The media keeps people focusing on what THEY determine they should think about. Most people think that what they're being spoon fed is "the news".
The only thing I can find on it is a passing reference to it on a blog. I searched Discovery Channel and I cant find it there.
Thanks for providing your transcript. This is quite interesting, and devastating to the left, if true. Obviously it would be to the benefit of Bush's campaign to reveal this info. I hope it's true because it's a win/win for America. But, if Loftus remains the only source in the coming months, I'd question his credibility.
The only reference I found was at
http://www.spitcircle.com/article.php?id=81
Excerpt:
First, I would like to bring your attention to a show on the Discovery Channel called Covert Action. On Wednesday January 14th, they aired an episode called Rat Hole. The show claims to be a re-enactment of true, covert episodes that at one point were labeled Top Secret. This episode details events in February of 2003 in which a US Navy Seal team is inserted into Libya to break up a meeting between a top Iraqi intelligence official and numerous terrorist operatives. Mission envelopes were handed out to the terrorists before the Seal team got the go-ahead to neutralize the target, which they did. Included in the plots were Seattle, American installations in Paris and assassinations of Iraqi exiles due to return to Iraq after Saddam had been disposed. I remind you that the show claims to based on real events and the producer is an ex CIA officer who has produced shows before which I know to be true and accurate. No information seems to be available on Operation Rat Hole anywhere. If you get a chance to catch a re-run I would recommend it.
I have tried googling various options from operation rat hole, covert action: rat hole and other such nuances, looks like unless Discovery plays the show again I would have to purchase the dvd.
I hope so. I just get the feeling sometimes that we are going to get screwed. It seems like W is counting on us bailing him out. I hope they are building a mountain to dump on the rats.
LOL!!! BTTT!
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