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It Official Linus stole Linux (Microsoft FUD)
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040514/234/71e7q.html ^ | 05/17/2004 | Yahoo

Posted on 05/17/2004 6:51:16 AM PDT by N3WBI3

Torvalds claim to "invent" Linux probably false, says new study

Fri May 14, 5:49 PM ET

Washington, DC (FeatureXpress) May 14, 2004 - Popular but controversial "open source" computer software, often contributed on a volunteer basis, is often taken or adapted without permission from material owned by other companies and individuals, a study by the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution finds. Among other points, the study directly challenges Linus Torvalds (news - web sites)' claim to be the inventor of Linux (news - web sites). In one of the few extensive studies on the source of open source code, Kenneth Brown, president of AdTI, traces the free software movement over three decades -- from its romantic but questionable beginnings, through its evolution to a commercial effort that draws on unpaid contributions from thousands of programmers. Brown's account is based on extensive interviews with more than two dozen leading technologists including Richard Stallman, Dennis Ritchie, and Andrew Tanenbaum.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Miscellaneous; Technical
KEYWORDS: linux
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To: jpsb
And nobody is saying they did not revolutionize the idea of portable operating systems. But to say the made things work and are still probably the best server OS on the market.

UNIX was defiantly the inspiration for Linux but I think you do a disservice to both when you call Linux *UNIX* it was not until kernel 2.4 / 2.6 that Linux has become a truly enterprise system. And the development model most assisted by Linux (opensource) has produced many applications which UNIX takes advantage (nmap, cvs, ...) Many old unix apps were released into this model and became more viable dynamic due to the model..

41 posted on 05/17/2004 10:58:49 AM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: N3WBI3

see 36, Unix wasn't the "inspiration" it was the blue print.


42 posted on 05/17/2004 11:02:43 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: Know your rights
Scholarly organizations are "institutes;" an "institution" is a mental health facility.

So?
Are you simply citing this article as a rare example of accurate reporting?

43 posted on 05/17/2004 11:04:22 AM PDT by Publius6961 (I don't do diplomacy either.)
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To: N3WBI3
I suspect that Stallman, et al, have been misquoted in the "study"; it's happened before. I think we'll see several rebuttals in the coming days.

Another problem may be with the word "invent".

the study directly challenges Linus Torvalds' claim to be the inventor of Linux..

I don't know of any instance where Linus claimed to "invent" Linux. But the Internet has a long memory, and it's clear that Linus originally developed the Linux kernel.

.. based on extensive interviews with more than two dozen leading technologists..

Which is typical for ADTI. Very little research, just interviews, after which words are cut and pasted to fit the agenda.

We'll have to see what comes out on the 20th, but I doubt that this source will be taken seriously based on past history.

44 posted on 05/17/2004 11:04:53 AM PDT by TechJunkYard (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Codeflier

Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt = FUD


45 posted on 05/17/2004 11:16:35 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Woodman

Fud means what?


46 posted on 05/17/2004 11:45:08 AM PDT by Bogey78O (I voted for this tagline... before I voted against it.)
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To: N3WBI3; TechJunkYard; E. Pluribus Unum; Havoc; Publius6961; antiRepublicrat; zeugma; ...

Hey, look. It's the usual rogue's gallery of Mac/Linux bigots. Why do you guys even bother to respond to these kinds of articles? Just setup a macro or auto-responder to spew your usual bile: "It's MS FUD" ... blah, blah, blah. It would save you time.


47 posted on 05/17/2004 11:57:11 AM PDT by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000

I was pretty cautious in picking my words. But I think I said it wouldn't surprise me. Were you disappointed by my restraint and in need of bile? I don't much like bile; but, if you need some, pretend to be anti free trade and go to one of those threads, you'll have more bile than you know what to do with.


48 posted on 05/17/2004 11:59:37 AM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: Bush2000
It would save you time.

The plan is to make that aneurism in your tiny little noggin explode so we don't have to bother with you any more.

49 posted on 05/17/2004 12:01:04 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Bush2000
Hey, look. It's the usual rogue's gallery of Mac/Linux
bigots. Why do you guys even bother to respond to these
kinds of articles? Just setup a macro or auto-responder to
spew your usual bile: "It's MS FUD" ... blah, blah, blah.
It would save you time.

Pot. Kettle. Black. Head. Go boil. Thanks in advance.

50 posted on 05/17/2004 12:08:36 PM PDT by OneCardRoyal (No controlling tagline authority)
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To: Bogey78O

Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt = FUD


51 posted on 05/17/2004 12:09:12 PM PDT by Woodman ("One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives." PW)
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To: Bush2000
Ahhh in the world of Bush2000 the fact MS funds an institue is not important but the political orientation of Linus's Father are..

What color is the sky in your world bush??

52 posted on 05/17/2004 12:13:40 PM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: N3WBI3
Look I know you're getting into the Bush200 cage match now, but by "funds" does that mean $100 or $100,000,000 a year? It's really important to the argument and many on this thread have implied that this ORG is a 100% MS Subsidiary. I want proof if that claim is going to be made, not a dozen links to the same interview where an MS employee states that they have contributed (which is a long way from funding) to the ORG.
53 posted on 05/17/2004 12:20:04 PM PDT by Woodman ("One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives." PW)
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To: Bush2000
"It's MS FUD" ... blah, blah, blah. It would save you time.

Except while you claim instant reaction and conspiracy theory, Microsoft has a documented history of using FUD against its competitors, starting with DR. DOS on to present. Likewise, I'm sure you take anything coming from the DNC with a grain of salt due to their history of lying.

54 posted on 05/17/2004 12:28:40 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The plan is to make that aneurism in your tiny little noggin explode so we don't have to bother with you any more.

You're welcome to try. But I think you're in for a little disappointment. I'm probably in better physical condition that most of you trolls...
55 posted on 05/17/2004 12:28:50 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: antiRepublicrat
Except while you claim instant reaction and conspiracy theory, Microsoft has a documented history of using FUD against its competitors, starting with DR. DOS on to present. Likewise, I'm sure you take anything coming from the DNC with a grain of salt due to their history of lying.

Oh, puh-lease. With you guys, practically every other sentence contains the term "MS FUD". It's your substitute for a rational response.
56 posted on 05/17/2004 12:31:03 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
that most of you trolls...

Hey Bush, they're having a thread about you. In specific, those who label any disagreement as trolling.

57 posted on 05/17/2004 12:33:29 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: N3WBI3; Woodman
Ahhh in the world of Bush2000 the fact MS funds an institue is not important but the political orientation of Linus's Father are..

Woodman said it well: Before you argue that this foundation is bought-and-paid-for, I'd like you to produce an accounting of how much was actually contributed by MS. Otherwise, you're blowing smoke. Tons of people and companies donate money to various causes -- and that doesn't automatically turn those organizations into mouthpieces for their benefactors.
58 posted on 05/17/2004 12:34:04 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: antiRepublicrat
Hey Bush, they're having a thread about you. In specific, those who label any disagreement as trolling.

Wow, I'm so hurt [NOT].
59 posted on 05/17/2004 12:36:15 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
Oh, puh-lease. With you guys, practically every other sentence contains the term "MS FUD". It's your substitute for a rational response.

As I said, to make it a way you can understand, think "Democrat lies." When Dims start spewing something against Bush, you can pretty much bet it's so full of slant, half-truths and innuendo to make the whole package one big lie.

Microsoft does the same thing to Linux all the time. Don't tell me you don't remember the DR. DOS episode that was the beginning of their FUD.

60 posted on 05/17/2004 12:36:22 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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