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Marines Want Their .45s Back
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| April 23, 2004
Posted on 04/23/2004 4:21:45 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4
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To: AnAmericanMother
There are only a handful of ranges left in northern New Jersey, probably the most anti-gun state in the Union. Tell me about it. When my husband and I were first married, we lived in Princeton NJ. He was in the Army Reserves, and he still had to do back flips and jump through a million hoops just to get a permit to PURCHASE his first .45 pistol. He had his CO and two police officers (who were also in his unit) sign his application, and it still took months just to get permission to buy it. Meanwhile, every hood on the street had a non-permitted pistol, and most of the old guys who had come back from WWII still had a Luger or Walther lying around the house . . . NJ laws are so stupid. My maternal grandfather was at one point the New Jersey state commander of the VFW, and had an application in for more than half a year without result. When election time rolled around, the sitting governor inquired about the possibility of an endorsement, against a non-veteran opposing candidate, I believe. Granddad told the gov that he'd be glad to suggest the possibility, but he could expect approval to take at least six months or more, plus as long as he had to continue waiting on the approval of his handgun permit. The next day, it was delivered to him by the director of the NJ state police personally, with apologies.
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posted on
04/24/2004 5:43:03 PM PDT
by
archy
(The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
To: FreedomPoster
We should really do an ATL-area FReeper range day somewhere.
Ready on the right, ready on the left!
Let me know and we can try and put something together.
Charlie Elliot range is open six days a week and is only
forty minutes from downtown.
Got lots of milsups to bring.
Fire on your dog targets as they appear~!
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posted on
04/24/2004 5:43:59 PM PDT
by
tet68
( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
To: Siamese Princess
My gun range put an overhead ventilation system in the indoor range, protected by wooden "baffles." For a few months afterwards, we found many holes in the overhead baffles. Some were accidents, some definitely deliberate -- neat, tight little groups of holes. Before the overhead ventilation and baffles, we had a problem with knuckleheads shooting at the metal plates protecting the lights. Unbelievable. Well, I guess that's one way to get the lights turned down to get a little practice in for low-light confrontations....
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posted on
04/24/2004 5:46:20 PM PDT
by
archy
(The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
To: FreedomPoster; AnAmericanMother; dansangel; .45MAN; Vigilantcitizen
We should really do an ATL-area FReeper range day somewhere. I'm sure there are others, besides those pinged here, who would be interested.
*********
Sure would, but I'd like to do a rifle range, if possible.
I used to live and work in the Atlanta area, and I'd love to get back- and that'd certainly be a great reason to do so. I find the Georgia prohibition against ankle holsters irksome though not overwhelming, but agree with Vigilant Citizen's observation that a rifle range would be a desirable setting.
But wouldn't it be especially swell to have a FReeper gun club affiliated with the CMP for Garand and other surplus military rifle sales, and to put on a couple of qualifying matches annually for FReepers interested in making a CMP Garand or other rifle purchase?
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posted on
04/24/2004 5:54:26 PM PDT
by
archy
(The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
To: USMCVet
Some people can't handle criticism, and your guesses about me are wrong. I served and I have the honorable discharge to prove it, so there.
Actually, this argument is entirely your fault. I thought that over $1,700 for a pistol is exorbitant, un-called for, and ridiculous, and here you come saying I don't know what I'm talking about. Does everyone who disagrees with you not know what they're talking about, or only me?
We could have been pals, you know. Rehashed old times in the service. Hoisted a few for our buddies that won't be coming home. That sort of thing. But I guess it's not to be. Oh well - you can't be friends with everyone. Bad chemistry, I guess. Anyway, you jarheads never did get along with us Regular Army guys.
To: archy; Squantos; All
Looks like I got here late to this thread.
Got a .45 question...a buddy of mine just picked up a brand-new Springfield Mil-Spec fullsize M1911A1. In his first practice session, he experienced failures to feed on the first round in all his mags. These included one McCormick PowerMag and the two issue Springfield mags. Ammo was both hardball 230-grain FMJ and lead roundnose. I told him that he might just need to "break in" the gun a little more and use the FMJ only for a while, and to call Springfield and McCormick about the mags if the problem continued.
Sounded to me like a mag problem, but I've used PowerMags myself now for years, without any troubles at all in my "loaded" Springfield.
Mine itself took about 300 rounds to "break in", plus a vow to NEVER use "Win Clean" ammo again.
Any thoughts on the problem, from anyone?
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posted on
04/24/2004 7:02:42 PM PDT
by
Long Cut
("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
To: Long Cut
Go get a brand new mainspring 18#.........I argued and resisted getting one for a brand new 1911A1 once and after a gazillion seconds of angst and anguish over failure to feed I replaced the mainspring with a new 18# spring and have never had a cough or burp since with mine. May need a stronger spring. Wilson sells em as does wolffe.
Sorry I forgot to ping ya LC.......my memories shorter than my ....Oh never mind.
Stay safe !
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posted on
04/24/2004 7:08:00 PM PDT
by
Squantos
(Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
To: Squantos
Thanks. Mine has an 18# spring itself. Why would a weaker spring only mess up the first round in a mag?
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posted on
04/24/2004 7:11:03 PM PDT
by
Long Cut
("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
To: archy
I've seen the Strasbourg test, the Marshall test and the Sanow test mentioned here regarding ballistics. Isn't there also a test known as "Fackler?"
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posted on
04/24/2004 7:15:44 PM PDT
by
ExSoldier
(When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic. (R.I.P. harpseal))
To: Long Cut
Is it first round loaded off the top of the mag or the first round stripped from top of mag in recoil from first round in chamber fired ?
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posted on
04/24/2004 7:16:42 PM PDT
by
Squantos
(Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
To: R. Scott
"I wonder how many experts received their training from TV and movies?"They're easy to spot. They hold the weapon flat sideways like those BAD A$$ "Gangstas" they see on the tube! LOL
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posted on
04/24/2004 7:18:30 PM PDT
by
ExSoldier
(When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic. (R.I.P. harpseal))
To: ExSoldier
Tell him all the experts are dead............:o)
Stay safe !
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posted on
04/24/2004 7:21:42 PM PDT
by
Squantos
(Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
To: Cannoneer No. 4
9mm is just a .45 set to "stun"
9mm is really just .380 Magnum!
I have carried a 1911 type for my entire adult life. There is NO finer or more reliable weapon, in my opinion.
Semper Fi
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posted on
04/24/2004 7:25:16 PM PDT
by
Trident/Delta
(Free Republic....where information is the ULTIMATE weapon)
To: Long Cut
I have a Springfield Champion in .45 and the only feed problems I ever had were with hand loads that were a few
thou long.
I like it a lot but it does need better sights.
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posted on
04/24/2004 7:25:55 PM PDT
by
tet68
( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
To: Long Cut
Got a .45 question...a buddy of mine just picked up a brand-new Springfield Mil-Spec fullsize M1911A1. In his first practice session, he experienced failures to feed on the first round in all his mags. These included one McCormick PowerMag and the two issue Springfield mags. Ammo was both hardball 230-grain FMJ and lead roundnose. I told him that he might just need to "break in" the gun a little more and use the FMJ only for a while, and to call Springfield and McCormick about the mags if the problem continued. Sounded to me like a mag problem, but I've used PowerMags myself now for years, without any troubles at all in my "loaded" Springfield.
Mine itself took about 300 rounds to "break in", plus a vow to NEVER use "Win Clean" ammo again.
First thing I think I'd try: downloading the magazines by one shot initially. There are a couple of custom fgolloweers that might help, too, but it does sound like a *new gun* problem.
In breaking in a new gun, I tend to do a lot of initial shooting with magazines loaded with 3 rounds anyway, getting more practice in fast magazine changes. The last time I was given a new .45 to wring out and see what I thought of it, I recall putting about 8 boxes through before it settled down into the usually exhibited M1911A1 reliability.
BTW the factory recoil spring weight in a GI M1911A1 is 16#. An 18-pounder sound fine and just a bit of a fudge over the line. But maybe initially, until the rest of the gun's worn in, it might be worth a try with a specified 16# spring.
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posted on
04/24/2004 7:28:24 PM PDT
by
archy
(The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
To: ExSoldier
I've seen the Strasbourg test, the Marshall test and the Sanow test mentioned here regarding ballistics. Isn't there also a test known as "Fackler?" Dr. Martin L. Fackler, M.D is the terminal ballistician who developed the standardization procedures for *ballistic* geletin for bullet performance tests.
There are those who refer to him and his followers as *jello junkies* as a result, but he's been observing the effcts of gunshot wounds for quite a few years, and I think most of his opinions aren't quite that easily dismissed. Many of his theories are controversial, but at least offer possible theories about how the physics of wounding occur...sometimes.
A starting place for some of his thoughts can be seen *here*
One of his essays in particular that teed a good many folks off was his 1994 essay "The 'Strasbourg Tests:' Another Gunwriter/Bullet Salesman Fraud?" Wound Ballistics Review, 1(4): 10-11; 1994....
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posted on
04/24/2004 7:36:52 PM PDT
by
archy
(The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
To: archy; Squantos
He said "first round" in our conversation, which I took to mean the one AFTER the first is hand-chambered in cocking the weapon.
He said the problem went away if the mags were only loaded with six shots each. I've no idea if the Mil-Spec Springfield uses a 16 or 18 pound recoil spring...I do know that my "Loaded" one uses 18#.
It sounded like he chambers the first shot from the mag himself, fires it, and number 2 hangs up. Again, downloading the mags cures the problem for him.
He's just wondering if he wasted money on the McCormick mag, or if this is normal "new gun" teething.
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posted on
04/24/2004 7:37:07 PM PDT
by
Long Cut
("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
To: ExSoldier; archy
How about the Archy/cavtrooper21/anyone else that's flattened a bad guy with a 45 test?
It's not very scientific, and very biased.
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posted on
04/24/2004 7:38:57 PM PDT
by
cavtrooper21
(Knowledge is power, power corrupts... So study hard and be evil.)
To: tet68
Yeah, mine has the Novak-style snagproof sights. I love them myself...big and easy to see, and focusing properly on the front sight is a breeze.
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posted on
04/24/2004 7:39:43 PM PDT
by
Long Cut
("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
To: Long Cut
He said "first round" in our conversation, which I took to mean the one AFTER the first is hand-chambered in cocking the weapon. He said the problem went away if the mags were only loaded with six shots each. I've no idea if the Mil-Spec Springfield uses a 16 or 18 pound recoil spring...I do know that my "Loaded" one uses 18#. It sounded like he chambers the first shot from the mag himself, fires it, and number 2 hangs up. Again, downloading the mags cures the problem for him.
He's just wondering if he wasted money on the McCormick mag, or if this is normal "new gun" teething.
Are you physically close enough to him to let him try your mags in his pistol, and/or for you to try his mags in yours?
Alternately, the fact that a down-loaded magazine works sounds like the magazine spring tension may be a bit light. I think I'd try a GI or Chip McCormick magazine, especially if his mags are 8-round capacity mags.
The Brits consider the magazines for a Browning GP to be 12 round capacity, though I can get 14 in mine with no difficulties. But for business, I do as the old Sar-major would have said and load a dozen, with the lucky 13th up the spout. Sten guns worked better with 28 or so loaded in some magazines rather than the full 32, as well.
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posted on
04/24/2004 7:44:11 PM PDT
by
archy
(The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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