Heavy Fighting in AR Ramadi Iraq~~~ Sadr's fighters have attacked US Forces.

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[Dog]

Just broke on Fox

[Rams82]

Maybe we got Zarqawi

[dennisw]

Hama Rules

 

September 21, 2001
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN



In February 1982 the secular Syrian government of President Hafez al-Assad faced a mortal threat from Islamic extremists, who sought to topple the Assad regime. How did it respond? President Assad identified the rebellion as emanating from Syria's fourth-largest city — Hama — and he literally leveled it, pounding the fundamentalist neighborhoods with artillery for days. Once the guns fell silent, he plowed up the rubble and bulldozed it flat, into vast parking lots. Amnesty International estimated that 10,000 to 25,000 Syrians, mostly civilians, were killed in the merciless crackdown. Syria has not had a Muslim extremist problem since. 

I visited Hama a few months after it was leveled. The regime actually wanted Syrians to go see it, to contemplate Hama's silence and to reflect on its meaning. I wrote afterward, "The whole town looked as though a tornado had swept back and forth over it for a week — but this was not the work of mother nature."

This was "Hama Rules" — the real rules of Middle East politics — and Hama Rules are no rules at all. I tell this story not to suggest this should be America's approach. We can't go around leveling cities. We need to be much more focused, selective and smart in uprooting the terrorists. 

No, I tell this story because it's important that we understand that Syria, Egypt, Algeria and Tunisia have all faced Islamist threats and crushed them without mercy or Miranda rights. Part of the problem America now faces is actually the fallout from these crackdowns. Three things happened:

First, once the fundamentalists were crushed by the Arab states they fled to the last wild, uncontrolled places in the region — Lebanon's Bekaa Valley and Afghanistan — or to the freedom of America and Europe. 

Second, some Arab regimes, most of which are corrupt dictatorships afraid of their own people, made a devil's pact with the fundamentalists. They allowed the Islamists' domestic supporters to continue raising money, ostensibly for Muslim welfare groups, and to funnel it to the Osama bin Ladens — on the condition that the Islamic extremists not attack these regimes. The Saudis in particular struck that bargain.

Third, these Arab regimes, feeling defensive about their Islamic crackdowns, allowed their own press and intellectuals total freedom to attack America and Israel, as a way of deflecting criticism from themselves. 

As a result, a generation of Muslims and Arabs have been raised on such distorted views of America that despite the fact that America gives Egypt $2 billion a year, despite the fact that America fought for the freedom of Muslims in Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo, and despite the fact that Bill Clinton met with Yasir Arafat more than with any other foreign leader, America has been vilified as the biggest enemy of Islam. And that is one reason that many people in the Arab-Muslim world today have either applauded the attack on America or will tell you — with a straight face — that it was all a C.I.A.-Mossad plot to embarrass the Muslim world.

We need the moderate Arab states as our partners — but we don't need only their intelligence. We need them to be intelligent. I don't expect them to order their press to say nice things about America or Israel. They are entitled to their views on both, and both at times deserve criticism. But what they have never encouraged at all is for anyone to consistently present an alternative, positive view of America — even though they were sending their kids here to be educated. Anyone who did would be immediately branded a C.I.A. agent.

And while the Arab states have crushed their Islamic terrorists, they have never confronted them ideologically and delegitimized their behavior as un-Islamic. Arab and Muslim Americans are not part of this problem. But they could be an important part of the solution by engaging in the debate back in the Arab world, and presenting another vision of America. 

So America's standing in the Arab-Muslim world is now very low — partly because we have not told our story well, partly because of policies we have adopted and partly because inept, barely legitimate Arab leaders have deliberately deflected domestic criticism of themselves onto us. The result: We must now fight a war against terrorists who are crazy and evil but who, it grieves me to say, reflect the mood in their home countries more than we might think.

[swarthyguy]

Don't we can keep down what is a fullblown revolt insurgency in a few days.

Methinks the handover just got postponed.

No police force can handle this. It's an army war situation.

They have our achilles heel, would we ever attack a mosque like Indians in Kashmir? (Dec2001 - Srinagar Parlliament attackers holed up in Mosque that was destroyed along with them) The non jihadis supported the Indian Army.

Will we deepsix the PC and fumigate the mosques? Nothing more dangerous than fanatical motivated armed teenagers propelled by jihad, allah and all those virgins!

[LdSentinal]

Al-Douri?

[Solson]

That point does seem to be totally missed by many...including FReepers. The troop commitment is for at least 100,000 for the long term. We're not going anywhere at all. That said, we will still transition on June 30.

[TomGuy]

Cavuto on FoxNews has the economy analysts analysing how to fight this war. Eleanor Clift knows exactly how this war should be fought.

hehehe.

What is it they say about a*holes and opinions? Everyone has one.

[Pukin Dog]

Great news.

Word out of Washington, SPECTRES have been scrambled. In the morning, look for piles of insurgent flesh splattered on the ground. We are going to light them up.

[mabelkitty]

Hmmm.
Does that mean he's a liberal Republican like McCain?

[Sprite518]

I do not know why CNN and the rest of the Media does not have a Kerry for President pin on when there broadcasting. Its absurd they are even considered Journalist.

[RobRoy]

This is looking more and more like a "Tet offensive" and will probably go worse for the enemy now than it did for the Viet Cong back then - unless they have human waves or nukes, which I doubt.

The whole thing could actually end quite quickly.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Shep and Bret are in full HYPE mode..... They always seem to get the commercial breaks in though don't they!!!!

[Miss Marple]

I think that's a good guess. And I am wondering again about the yammering about Vietnam from the Rats.

On bad days I think that the whole darn bunch is in cahoots...China, Al Qaeda, democrats, communists, hip hop, Al Franken....you name it. LOL!

[StriperSniper]

Eleanor(ugly jihadi 'white raisin' ;-) Clift just scolded one of the other panel members on Cavuto for saying "enemy" for Bush's 'political critics'. Yo! c***! It was your beloved Dr. Dean that started the 'enemy' rhetoric!

[Dog]

Not sure.

[mewzilla]

Wonder if any of the HVTs have Iranian ties?

[Mo1]

Does no one on television realize that when we hand over the government on June 30, WE WILL STILL HAVE OUR MILITARY THERE??

Yes they do ... but they don't want us to know that

[LdSentinal]

Wouldn't it be great if they found Bin laden in Fallujah?

[VOA]

US military on the ground reported that they have killed approximately 80 of the enemy,
but they just keep coming.
The enemy has stated that this is jihad, holy war.

I'll pray this is more "Roarke's Drift" (the site in the movie "Zulu") and not
Islandwanda (a British "Little Big Horn").

[b4its2late]

Shep and Bret are in full HYPE mode..... They always seem to get the commercial breaks in though don't they!!!!

LOL! I'm cubicle bound and I can just picture it....

[Solson]

The handover will happen. It is not contingent on police forces being able to handle something like this. The military troops will still be there and will continue to support the coalition.