***Breaking*** Kerry Continued to Represent the VVAW after November, 1971

WinterSoldier.com ^ | 03/18/2004 | Interesting Times

[Interesting Times]

March 19, 2004 -- **BREAKING** WinterSoldier.com has obtained solid evidence that John Kerry continued to represent the VVAW well after the infamous November 12-15 1971 meeting at which that organization voted on whether to commit political assassinations. See our new "So when did John Kerry leave the VVAW, anyway?" links in the Documents, Film Clips, Audio and Cartoons section.

For example, the New York Times identified Kerry as "spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against the War" in this article on January 11, 1972. In fact, as late as April 22, 1972, Kerry was still being identified in press reports as a "leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War."

Senator Kerry says he quit the VVAW sometime before November 12, 1971.

Senator Kerry has some explaining to do.

[FourtySeven]

People, would you both just drop this please? Maybe settle it like "men" in the old days, and take it outside or somethin...

Or, if the Admins are watching/listening, please don't delete this thread until I get home today. I'd like to archive all this stuff on my home computer before this VALUABLE INFORMATION is THROWN AWAY because some people are throwing a hissy fit about who broke what!

I mean, are we on the same team or NOT? I thought only RATS ate their own kind!

< /end rant >

[Ann Archy]

"I voted TO kill them before I voted NOT to kill them".....

"then I got to BE one"!

[Libertina]

BTTT for IT. Hon, what's your problem?

[Hon]

Look, I told you that it was the same info that I had heard from Lipscomb and that was going to be featured by him. I asked you where you got it. You said it was a coincidence. If you had told me where you got it--privately or publicly, that would have settled the matter. You chose to be mysterious.

As for the rest of your petulant rant and threats of law suits, it is so tiresome it is no longer funny. I'd advise you to take it up with Lipscomb. I just saw what looked like a connection--and there was a connection. You denied the connection. But there was a connection.

[Interesting Times]

People, would you both just drop this please? Maybe settle it like "men" in the old days, and take it outside or somethin...

There's a little more to it than that.

I started this thread to break an important story on FR, and Hon aka Mojo was permitted to slander and smear me at every turn. Now he has extended his libel to a well-known writer.

Jim and the moderators could have stopped all this with a single "knock it off" but chose not to do so.

Needless to say, this experience doesn't exactly motivate me to give FR our next scoop on this or any other topic.

[Hon]

"I'd like to archive all this stuff on my home computer before this VALUABLE INFORMATION"

You're welcome. BTW, if you really want to archive the information, you might do better than to save a chat thread. You might start here--back more than a month ago:

Kerry's Group The VVAW Discussed Assassinating Seven Pro-War Senators In December 1971
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1080806/posts

Was Kerry Involved In Plans To Murder 7 US Senators In 1971?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1095150/posts

How Kerry Quit Veterans Group Amid Dark Plot
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1096162/posts

[jrlc]

Post #240 on this thread is correct. I did the research on John Kerry's involvement with the VVAW in the period Nov 1971 through 1972. I provided that research to both wintersoldier.com and to Tom Lipscomb -- the site www.wintersoldier.com could archive the original research; Tom Lipscomb as a reporter could utilize the research, but would not archive it. I have published on political protest and terrorism. I hold a Ph.D. in Political Science from Harvard University, 1972. I have a long history of independent research and publication. The VVAW and John Kerry are a field of interest to me. In 1972, I published an extensive study of the political protest around the 1972 Democratic and Republican National Conventions in Miami Beach, protests in which the VVAW was actively involved (the work was published at the Lemberg Center for the Study of Violence, Brandeis University, 1974). Jerome R. Corsi, jrlc on Free Republic. I'll be happy to clarify any other questions you might have.

[jrlc]

Hon -- please take a look at my post #247 on this thread. Let me know if anything is not yet clear to you. I did the research, as explained, and I provided it to both www.wintersoldier.com and Tom Lipscomb because each had access to different media and I wanted the information to be availble to both channels. Jerome R. Corsi -- "jrlc" on FR.

[Hon]

Thank you for your post. I wish you had posted earlier. Of course IT could have told me as well. Instead he denied the connection.

Since you are in the business of research you can well imagine my concern when I saw what seemed to be someone else's research being bruited here before theirs was published. I had talked to Lipscomb and he said that he and nobody he knew had given the material to FRN or Swett.

Perhaps you should have told him before after midnight last night that that was what you were doing. I would think that would have been a professional courtesy. But that is between you and Lipscomb. If you go back to my first posts on this you will see that I was only trying to protect somebody's work. If I or Lipscomb had been told what was going on behind the scenes, I wouldn't have posted what I did. Instead it was denied.

Thanks again for your (albeit tardy) explanation.

[FourtySeven]

Needless to say, this experience doesn't exactly motivate me to give FR our next scoop on this or any other topic.

Please don't let it come to that. The Internet in general and FR in particular is literally the only way people have to get the truth of what's going on; that's the stark reality of the situation. Even Fox, as much LESS biased as it is, is still biased towards one thing, and that's ratings, which translates to soundbytes as news stories, i.e., not a complete retelling of any story. Anything that can be told in 10 minutes or less before the next commercial break is fine, but nothing beyond that. Limitations of television I guess, to a certain extent, to be fair.

At any rate, I'm convinced many people at Fox lurk here, so please keep the pressure on this story. This is HUGE, so big in fact I don't want to mis-spell huge, for any chance of this being taken lightly. hehe

This goes for both you and Hon really. And doug from upland, and ... well all you guys you're all doin a great job!

Just keep focused on the prize, which is the destruction of the 'Rats. After that's done, we can all get together and whoever pins the tail on the donkey the best can beat the crap out of the others or somethin like that...you know, settle it civilized. hehe

[lonerepubinma]

that's right - Kerry never will make it to the convention. Anyone smell a Hillary here? Kerry gone; she steps in to save the day. I'm tellin' ya - she's the stealth candidate....

I have about 10 pitchers of beer on just this scenario.
I might have to invite Ted K. along to help me drink it all.

[Hon]

"Needless to say, this experience doesn't exactly motivate me to give FR our next scoop on this or any other topic."

LOL

[Hon]

"This goes for both you and Hon really. And doug from upland, and ... well all you guys you're all doin a great job!

Just keep focused on the prize, which is the destruction of the 'Rats."

That is not my motivation. I am for getting the truth out. I have posted until I am blue in the fingers that it DISCREDITS this story (which I uncovered and developed) to be turned into a partisan attack job. This, like so much, seems to fall on deaf ears.

[Yaelle]

WHEN is this story gonna break? If this gets full national coverage, even as a What-did-he-know-and-when-did-he-know-it, I believe this will pull all moderates from voting for him. And possibly some far lefties who believe like Ralph Nader. In fact, you'd think anyone sick of corruption, no matter what their ideology, would turn from this man.

By the way, I was bathing my baby, listening to KABC over a crackly baby monitor in the bathroom, when I heard this story being carefully explained over the radio waves! I just KNEW it had to be DFU, and it was! Bless you, Doug. After you were off, the sub for Al Rantel did say that he could not verify the story, to cover his butt, but he sounded very intrigued. And Doug gave many references. It sounded so scholarly and professional, not at all like hysterical propaganda. I can picture people driving on the freeway sucking in their breath in shock.

[jrlc]

I strongly support the work Scott Swett is doing with www.wintersoldier.com to archive research on John Kerry and the VVAW. Making this site a strong repository of original materials will make reference in the debate much more available to a wide audience. I also applaud the work Tom Lipscomb and the NY Sun are doing on the story. Today's editorial in the NY Sun utilizes the public record stories I uncovered.

The Sun writes today: "And if the discussion of the assassination plot was so troubling that it was worth resigning as a leader of the group, why did you continue to represent the group in public at events like a speech at Dartmouth College on January 11, 1972, where an account in the New York Times described you as a "spokesman for the Vietnam Veterans Against the War?" Or at a Washington protest meeting on January 26, 1972, coverage of which in the Times also described Mr. Kerry as "a leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War"?

If anyone wants to see the actual articles from the NY Times that the Sun editorial references, you can now go to www.wintersoldier.com where the articles are archived under "Documents."

Both efforts utilized research I uncovered and supplied. Having the research utilized both in the news media and on the Internet will make even more compelling the demand that Kerry answer the substantive points as now documented.

Jerome R. Corsi, "jrlc" on FR.

[Hon]

"If anyone wants to see the actual articles from the NY Times that the Sun editorial references, you can now go to www.wintersoldier.com where the articles are archived under "Documents."

Is there some reason why this information wasn't posted at Free Republic?

And while you are patting yourself on the back, know that I uncovered the plot to begin with more than a month ago, gave the story to Lipscomb, gave him the contact info for many of the witnessses, told him about Kerry's denials in last week's press conference (which I did a thread on), told him about how Kerry had continued to represent himself as a VVAW long after that--based on photos and other material I have seen (such as the photo of him watching Nixon on TV, I posted here and elsewhere), and suggested that he look into finding out material where he was represented as still being with the media. And that's just this story.

I also post my research material here on Free Republic where it can be viewed by all. Looking at your past posts, I don't see a whole lot of information being posted by you at FR:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/site/user-posts?id=68645

Why are you hiding your light under a bushel?

[Interesting Times]

It's all about meeeeeeee...

[Interesting Times]

You "uncovered the plot?" Won't Nicosia be surprised.

Information about the KC VVAW meeting is available in at least three books, none of which you appear to have written.

Tell us again about the importance of crediting the people who do the work. I could use a laugh.

[Bob J]

You came on this thread claiming the research posted by IT was YOURS and LIPSCOMBS and then accused IT of stealing it. You have now been proven to be a liar. Instead of apologizing and throwing yourself on the mercy of the court, you continue to attack and generally act like an ass.

Jim, why is MOJO allowed to continue? He's already attacked agitator, leveled ridiculous charges against Doug from Upland and now goes after IT. This kind of stuff will continue to go as long as he is here.

Someone emailed me and said we should have a "Best of Mojo" thread, detailing some of his more sadistic and vile accusations of the last four years against Jim, the Network, the Forum and some of it's posters.

In my opinion, the good people of this board have a right to know who they are dealing with.

[Hon]

"It's all about meeeeeeee..."

So it seems.

Look, as I've told you via Freepmail, if you or Corsi had told Lipscomb or me what you were doing behind his back, none of this would have happened. You had plenty of time to tell me on this thread. Instead you denied it. It's that simple.