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Amendments to Gun Mfrs Liability Protection Act (Expanded AP Bullet Amendment is a Killer)
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Posted on 02/27/2004 6:13:36 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Sofa King
Huh?
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posted on
02/27/2004 8:53:08 AM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: Blood of Tyrants
You can't rely on whether or not someone you like or dislike supports something to tell whether or not it is a good idea.
42
posted on
02/27/2004 8:57:06 AM PST
by
Sofa King
(MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval http://www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/index.html)
To: Blood of Tyrants
There is no requirement in the law to do anyting at all with the results of the study.That always stops those bureaucrats in their tracks. /sarcasm Ever hear the phrase "stroke of the pen law of the land?"
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posted on
02/27/2004 9:04:22 AM PST
by
TigersEye
(Carrying a gun is a social obligation.)
To: Sofa King
True, but can you REALLY believe the senators who voted against that amendment would support anything remotely pro-2A?
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posted on
02/27/2004 9:08:56 AM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: cc2k; Blood of Tyrants
This amendment worries me the most of what has passed so far. Any victim of a crime, or any family of a crime victim, could make a 14th amendment claim that they are "similarly situated" to the victims of Muhammad and Malvo, and could probably convince a judge to allow a similar lawsuit. That could gut the entire law and leave manufacturers and dealers with little or no protection from this law.Precisely. What this amendment says, essentially, is that while it's not OK to sue firearm manufacturers, it is OK to sue Bushmaster, et. al. in this case. How long before other cases are exempted from this law? Colombine, the Ohio sniper, etc. etc.
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posted on
02/27/2004 9:10:58 AM PST
by
wysiwyg
(What parts of "right of the people" and "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?)
To: Blood of Tyrants
The words "that meets certain requirements" at the end basically neuter the amendment. If you don't believe me, look how they voted on both amendments.
Oh, I know exactly what went on. He took the McCullski amendment and changed it around. The big question is, what are those 'certain requirements'. Do you know or are you simply guessing?
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posted on
02/27/2004 9:15:12 AM PST
by
ClintonBeGone
(John Kerry is the Democrat's Bob Dole)
To: ClintonBeGone
I wish I did. SA 1701 isn't up on the Thomas.gov website yet.
47
posted on
02/27/2004 9:23:56 AM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: ClintonBeGone
P.S. From the vote, the anti-gun Rats aren't happy about it, though.
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posted on
02/27/2004 9:24:37 AM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: wysiwyg
wysiwyg wrote:
What this amendment says, essentially, is that while it's not OK to sue firearm manufacturers, it is OK to sue Bushmaster, et. al. in this case.
OK, now I've read the two amendments. I wish I could figure out how to post a good link into the congressional record pages at
http://thomas.loc.gov, but all the URL's I get are temporary ones that die in a short time.
Basically, in S.1805, there are 5 kinds of actions allowed against gun manufactures and dealers. Things like criminal activity by the manufacturer or dealer, injuries from truly defective products and stuff like that.
Mikulski's amendment proposed to add this to the list of actions that would still be allowed:
``(vi) an action involving a shooting victim of John Allen Muhammad or Lee Boyd Malvo.''.
While that seems to be "compassionate," the 14th amendment would mean that almost any victim of almost any crime could make a claim to be "similarly situated" and use that exemption to press a case against a gun manufacturer or dealer.
The Frist amendment that was offered as an alternative, and passed, added this instead:
(vi) an action involving a shooting victim of John Allen Muhammad or John Lee Malvo that meets 1 of the requirements under clauses (i) through (v).
So, victims of Muhammad and Malvo still have to meet the requirements of this law in order to press their case against Bushmaster or the gun dealer in Washington state.
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posted on
02/27/2004 9:51:31 AM PST
by
cc2k
To: Joe Brower
The Second Amendment...
America's
Original Homeland Security!
We are winning ~ the bad guys are losing ~ trolls, terrorists and the democrats are sad ~ very sad!
~~ Bush/Cheney 2004 ~~
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posted on
02/27/2004 10:00:06 AM PST
by
blackie
(Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
To: Blood of Tyrants
No, that is an amendment to ban armor pierce with a question of whether the AG wants to test bullets to see if they will penetrate a vest.
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posted on
02/27/2004 10:05:47 AM PST
by
philetus
(Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
To: philetus; Shooter 2.5
Because there is "no controlling legal aguthority," to use a Clinton-era phrase, the AG, or any future AG (like a Janet Reno) could arbitrarily designate a .22 Short as having the potential to penetrate body armor, thereby prohibiting its sale and possession.
To: Indie
Time to add a few more
boxes cases to my arsenal.
Now isn't that better?
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posted on
02/27/2004 10:00:24 PM PST
by
El Gato
(Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
To: Blood of Tyrants
Kennedy's amendment would have done just that. And still might, since it hasn't been vote on yet, as you can see from the above list. I think they'll vote on it on Monday or Tueday. I think that's what I remember hearing as I was listening to the Swimmer shout himself hoarse.
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posted on
02/27/2004 10:10:18 PM PST
by
El Gato
(Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
To: Dan from Michigan
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posted on
02/28/2004 11:23:00 AM PST
by
Shooter 2.5
(Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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