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GOP senators, officials back alien proposal
Washington Times ^ | 2/13/04 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 02/12/2004 9:41:24 PM PST by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:13:20 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The administration rolled out its top immigration officials and several senior Republican senators yesterday to endorse publicly a guest-worker program offered by President Bush that could give legal status to the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens now in the United States.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: aliens; bush43; freetrade; gop; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationplan; jerryseper; nwo
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To: Bikers4Bush
"until we supply willing employers with willing workers"

This is the means whereby all the "safe" jobs in America that are impossible to outsource to India or move to Mexico will be taken over by Mexican immigrants who will do the work for a third of the labor cost, or even less, who knows?

Think you are safe journeyman electrician, plumber, construction worker?

Your counterparts in Mexico can't wait for Mr Bush's amnesty plan to go into effect!

NO JOB will be "safe" if this plan goes into effect. All a company would have to do is cut its wages in half and when most of its American workforce leaves out of economic necessity, run to President Bush and say we have "jobs no American wants" so could you ship us in a few hundred Mexican workers to take them?

The funny thing is that 99% of these Mexican workers would be natural born demoRat voters! I guess the President and his party are so blinded by greed, that in the end they really don't care who's running the show, the GOP and the Rats all agree on free trade, globalism, open borders and socialism anyway, and they will all be filthy stinkin rich on their mexican run plantations while the rest of us starve.

We are witnesses to America's decent into a third world hellhole.

IMHO...

121 posted on 02/13/2004 4:28:16 PM PST by Walkin Man
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To: Walkin Man
That about wraps it up....
122 posted on 02/13/2004 4:33:34 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Let them eat amnesty)
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To: wirestripper
I looked at Janet Greens home page and I and I can understand why she said it. I don't agree, but I can understand.
Until Bush actually does something treasonous, she should tone it down a bit and if she keeps it up she'll eventually get booted.I think a better way to put it would be,

While I like Bush,which is a big change from the previous 8 years, I'll believe he's going to leave us better off, when he leaves office, when I actually see it.
123 posted on 02/13/2004 4:34:59 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: wirestripper
---"He believes what he believes"---

You know, I think you're right: Bush governed TX for six years or so. So he's seen the situation up close from an executive perspective. That's why I have reservations about the President on this issue.

I read an article five or six years ago, wish I had saved it, about the effects of Mexican immigration on the fabric of life in Texas, the financial cost, the political trends, etc. There is a certain term (I can't remember it) that historically refers to the strip of Texas counties bordering Mexico. Dirt poor counties, almost all Mexican in population.

The thing is, according to the article, that strip of border counties is now (5 years ago) two and three counties deep into Texas.

Couple that scenario with the Texas "Robin Hood" programs whereby monies are extracted from affluent counties and sent to the poor southern counties for school, medical, infrastructure needs & social programs and, well, what is Bush thinking on this issue? He has surely seen first hand this expansion of a blighted region resulting from an unchecked flow of poor, uneducated immigrants, yet, if we are to believe his words, is in favor of greasing the skids for even a higher level of immigration.

I call it the willful importation of poverty and can't see any way to look at it as anything else. Though I have tried for I truly like the President except for this issue, the excessive spending and his failure to fight tenaciously for his Circuit judge nominations.
124 posted on 02/13/2004 4:37:39 PM PST by citizen (Write-in Tom Tancredo President 2004!)
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To: Map Kernow
Thanks. I hate to see it happen twice. Especially when this time, when the stakes for America are so high.

Wirestripper has left the building.

125 posted on 02/13/2004 4:38:26 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Texas_Jarhead
The administration rolled out its top immigration officials and several senior Republican senators yesterday to endorse publicly a guest-worker program offered by President Bush that could give legal status to the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens now in the United States.

The governments agenda is clear. If they get their way, almost every city in the country will look like a third world city within the next 20 years. We know this.

No country on earth would tolerate epic millions to invade their country illegally. Are these millions educated? Do they have high skills that will benefit American's? What do these millions of uneducated, non English speaking third worlders have to offer besides stoop labor? We are no longer building cities and interstate highways, etc. There is no need for millions upon millions of these uneducated, unskilled third world people.

The big question is, what is the real motive of this government? Why the rush to fill America with uneducated, unskilled, illegal aliens?

Are not our hospitals, landfills, jails, freeways, classrooms, cities, already overcrowded and full? Are not our social services already choked off? Are not many hundreds of thousands of American's out of work? Is there anyone out there that does not believe this an epic government conspiracy with the federal government working in concert with the state governments? The overwhelming majority are sick and tired of the government turning America into a third world country.

Why are we no longer being represented?

What is their real agenda?

126 posted on 02/13/2004 4:38:46 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Walkin Man

I wish I could have been at the meeting where President Bush and the GOP declared war on the middle class!

This is exactly what they have done.

127 posted on 02/13/2004 4:40:33 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Walkin Man
What the *ell is wrong with these people? Don't they feel any loyalty to their fellow Americans at all?

No, it's all about money, power and control. Like most American corporations, they too no longer have any allegiance to America or it's people.

128 posted on 02/13/2004 4:43:12 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Map Kernow
What's your contribution to this discussion?

Here is some............... Bush urges overhaul of immigration service Jewish agency gives plan its cautious endorsement, but serious questions are unanswered. S. D. Jewish Press-Heritage. July.14.2000

By Donald H. Harrison

San Diego (special) -- Texas Gov. George W. Bush, the presumptive Republican nominee for President, recently told the National Council of La Raza that he wants to reform the Immigration and Naturalization Service. In response, HIAS, the nation's leading Jewish group dealing with immigration, applauded the direction of Bush's plan, but cautioned it may not go far enough.

Bush made a campaign appearance at the San Diego Convention Center on Wednesday, July 5, just two days after Vice President Al Gore, his likely Democratic rival for the presidency, spoke to the same Hispanic-interest group -- a clear acknowledgment by both parties of the increasing importance of the Latino vote in American politics.

Because the Texas governor's campaign stop came the day after American Independence Day and the day before the candidate's 54th birthday, NCLR President Raul Yzaguirre arranged for a red, white and blue birthday cake to be wheeled onto the stage by the Convention Center's Executive Chef Brett Lewis and Pastry Chef Daryl O'Donnell. Yzaguirre led conventioneers in singing "Happy Birthday" to "Mr. P --, er, Governor" then admitted his rendition of the popular song didn't have quite the appeal as the version once sung by movie star Marilyn Monroe to President John F. Kennedy.

"Family values do not stop at the Rio Grande River, which means that we have to have an INS that understands that," Bush told the delegates. "The current INS is too bureaucratic. It is too stuck in the past. It doesn't matter what party you are from: you've got to admit that when it takes 3 5 years to process paperwork in the INS, that is too long.

"It is time to reform the INS," he continued. "It should be divided into two separate agencies, one for border affairs, the other to serve and welcome new Americans."

The governor called for ending "restrictions that say you can't come and visit a husband or a wife, or a mom and a dad, with a tourist visa. We must allow people to come and families to be reunited in America."

He pledged to "commit money to make sure that the INS works better and puts service into a service agency. I want to spend $100 million a year, for five years, to add agents and equipment so as to reduce the amount of paperwork required to process someone's form from the three-to-five years to six months. We can do a better job in America, and I intend to do so."

In New York, Rachel Zelon, associate executive vice president of program operations for the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, said Bush's broad statements were "fully consistent with the high value the Jewish community places on a fair immigration policy to promote family reunification, energize our economy and provide haven to the persecuted."

However, she said, Bush's plan to split the INS lacked necessary specifics. "Congress is now considering three plans which would split INS in such a way," she said. "In spite of the bills' underlying similarities, it is HIAS's position that two of these bills could facilitate the cultivation of a more effective immigration service, while the third would only make matters worse.

"Specifically, the Smith-Rogers-Reyes bill would split INS but would create a super-enforcement agency and a weak under-resourced services agency," Zelon said. "The two other bills, however -- the Abraham Kennedy-Hegel bill in the Senate and the Jackson-Lee-Conyers-Berman bill in the House -- would split the INS but provide for improved accountability and coordination, as well as for more secure funding mechanisms for the service branch, in order to better serve refugees and immigrants."

The HIAS official noted that Bush did not say which plan he favored.

She said that she was encouraged by "the governor's understanding that INS needs adequate funding to address a serious and longstanding problem such as backlog reduction." However, she added, "while $100 million a year is very generous for naturalization backlog reduction alone, it will be insufficient for the INS to make all processing function well within a six month time limit.

"According to INS' own assessment, just to make a dent in its years-long Green Card and Naturalization backlogs would require $127.3 million for backlog reduction and infrastructure improvement in FY2001."

The HIAS official suggested that Bush's comments on INS backlogs "need to be further fleshed out. The governor must clarify whether he is referring only to backlogs in naturalization processing or all INS processing. HIAS is concerned about the backlogs in many areas of INS' work including applications for adjustment of status for lawful permanent residents -- Green Cards.

"These issues are addressed in backlog reduction legislation introduced in this Congress by Sen. Dianne Feinstein and Rep. Zoe Lofgren, which HIAS supports. We encourage Gov. Bush to aid this important legislation."

Finally, Zelon expressed a hope that Bush "will address such issues as enhancing the United States' protection activities for refugees and asylum seekers. HIAs also supports the resolution of labor shortages across many tiers of the economy via legalization of the status of workers who have lived in the United States for many years."

Summarizing, she said, "Governor Bush's public statements on immigration are encouraging, but lack the detail necessary to ascertain whether his proposed policy changes would be consistent with the pro immigrant agenda that HIAS has long endorsed."

BTW! I do not give a crap what you think!

I posted here because the commentary disgusts me.

I have no other agenda but the truth. If I see insults to a truthful and effective president, I respond.

129 posted on 02/13/2004 4:45:55 PM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Are not our hospitals, landfills, jails, freeways, classrooms, cities, already overcrowded and full? Are not our social services already choked off? Are not many hundreds of thousands of American's out of work?

That's what gets me: how many Republican voters were there over the past four years writing, calling, faxing, E-mailing the White House demanding: 1) that the 10 to 12 million illegal immigrants in this country now be given amnesty, and 2) that on top of these 10 to 12 million, millions more be let in to take jobs? I think you could've probably fit them all comfortably into a phone booth.

130 posted on 02/13/2004 4:46:22 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
If you want to stop amnesty, there are directions here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1076960/posts That contains the email addresses and phone/FAX numbers of the Senators on the subcommittee.

After many years of fighting this epic invasion, why do we still need to convince these politicians that they are destroying America?

Why do we have to beg these career political office holders to save America?

They aren't stupid, they know what's happening. The majority of American's want it stopped. This is clear.

Why are they aiding and abetting this titanic invasion?

Why are no longer being represented by our representitives?

131 posted on 02/13/2004 4:50:33 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: skeeter
Wirestripper has left the building.

Nope

132 posted on 02/13/2004 4:50:49 PM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: Map Kernow
Exactly, why do we need to continue to beg them to save America? The huge majority want this insanity stopped.

We obviously are no longer being represented, by our representitives.

This is absolutely frightening!

133 posted on 02/13/2004 4:53:04 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: citizen
Though I have tried for I truly like the President except for this issue, the excessive spending and his failure to fight tenaciously for his Circuit judge nominations.

We are in agreement on this.

I think he got the message as the State of the Union Speech indicated.

He did not promise the usual bunch of candy.

134 posted on 02/13/2004 4:54:49 PM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: wirestripper
Summarizing, she said, "Governor Bush's public statements on immigration are encouraging, but lack the detail necessary to ascertain whether his proposed policy changes would be consistent with the pro immigrant agenda that HIAS has long endorsed."

And you think this is proof of what you wrote in your last post to me? Or proof that GW let anyone know what he planned to spring on America after his election on immigration?

BTW! I do not give a crap what you think!

Doesn't take long for you Bush partisans to drop the facade of courtesy, does it?

I posted here because the commentary disgusts me.

AWWW! It is "disgusting" that American citizens would still want to be masters of their country's destiny, or to hold elected officials like GW Bush accountable for their actions, isn't it?

I have no other agenda but the truth. If I see insults to a truthful and effective president, I respond.

You have yet to convince me. But I forgot, you don't "give a crap" what I think, do you? And neither does GW.

135 posted on 02/13/2004 4:55:19 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
What is their real agenda?

The elites want to replace or at least dilute us because we're to hard to control.

136 posted on 02/13/2004 4:56:55 PM PST by Missouri
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To: Barnacle
Farewell America of my youth. We are screwed.

Welcome to Amexica.

137 posted on 02/13/2004 4:57:38 PM PST by janetgreen (WANTED: Illegal Alien Control)
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To: Map Kernow
Just curious, doesn't ne'er stand for near?
138 posted on 02/13/2004 4:57:38 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Joe Hadenuf
This is absolutely frightening!

If we had a pure democracy your statement would ring true. But we do not.

They act in the best interest of the country on occassion, regardless of the politics.

139 posted on 02/13/2004 4:57:46 PM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: Joe Hadenuf
What is their real agenda?

pretty obvious, they are building the globalist socailist state and they are using the wealth of the American middle class do it. Good deal for them, bad deal for you. Hopefully we can unelect the globalists in this next election.

140 posted on 02/13/2004 4:58:02 PM PST by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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