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Conservatives Need to Get Real
The Intellectual Conservative ^ | 02 February 2004 | Scott Shore

Posted on 02/11/2004 11:00:20 AM PST by Lando Lincoln

While President Bush may not be a conservative’s perfect president, the alternative should shake any discontents to active support of the President.

As a conservative, I agree with most of the criticism that has been leveled at President Bush amongst Republicans and conservatives. While I support the President’s foreign and defense policies, I think that the Administration has tried to do the impossible—preempt the Left on their own issues. Republicans were not put on this earth to increase the size of government, create massive new programs like Medicare, spend billions of dollars on AIDS in Africa, fund the UN renovation, expand the Federal role in education or pursue a reckless policy of granting amnesty to illegal foreigners working in the US. None of these initiatives by the President will, in the end, take votes from the Democratic core base. Democrats are much better and far more willing to outspend any Republican program that expands the Welfare State. The strong suit of Republicans is limited government, lower taxes, individual responsibility and strong national defense. Karl Rove may be right that some of the President’s big government initiatives may neutralize some independents. In any case, conservatives could have hoped for much more in a Washington where Republicans control both the White House and Congress.

Having said all that, I intend to do whatever I can to reelect President Bush. The reason is simple. The alternative is unthinkable. A tax increase by rolling back the President’s much needed tax relief will not go to reduce the deficit but to fund massive new social programs, especially some form of universal national health care system. The stimulus of tax relief will be gone and the deadweight of new taxes and government program will lead to a much larger deficit. Moreover, the hue and cry over the deficit is only logical if the deficit grows as a percentage of GDP over a period of years. Economic recovery can shrink the deficit in a relatively short time -- provided there is no new spending. A Democrat will give us the worst of both worlds -- higher taxes and higher spending.

A Democratic economic policy is also lethal to the American middle class and small business. The repeal of most taxes to the “wealthy” proposed by the Democrats are really to two-income families that are just getting by and are clearly the backbone of the middle-class and small business owners who pay income tax; their business is not a corporation but a family business that is a sole proprietorship. An increase in dividend taxation or capital gains will put the financial markets in a tailspin and further retard the growth of new or expanded business activity.

Universal health care has an interesting twist that few seem to be discussing. If people are concerned about possible invasions of privacy because of the Patriot Act, imagine the access to private information available to Big Brother when he gets his hands on your medical records. Once the government is subsidizing our health, how long will it take before certain health lifestyles or diets become a matter of government concern over its citizens? Should we expect a universal health care system to deliver the same value as our compulsory educational system? In fact, the Democrats are likely to create an even greater rift between the Haves and Have-Nots in healthcare by allowing only the wealthiest Americans to pay for private services. Besides this, universal health will either bankrupt the economy since the demand for healthcare is virtually without limit or it will require the government to ration healthcare. Do we really want the delivery of healthcare to become a matter of political bargaining? Imagine the hypocrisy of those who are adamant that the relationship between a doctor and patient is sacrosanct when it comes to abortion, but would make almost all medical procedures a matter of public policy mandates in the future. Imagine your worst nightmare of an HMO and then increase that exponentially and you begin to get the real meaning of Universal Health Care. As for the eventual bill for this service, look to the past at all other federal entitlement programs. To make matters worse, no Democrat is going to support Medical Practice Tort Reform which is contributing to the skyrocketed growth of healthcare costs.

How will Democrats deal with other issues of free market choice for individuals? No Democrat supports any level of privatization of Social Security for retirement. There is no support for school vouchers or alternatives to the monopoly of the public school system. Finally there is no support for private Health Savings Accounts among the Democrats. While Republicans will at least look for market-based solutions to public policy issues, the unions and bureaucratic constituencies of the Democrats virtually insures no such innovation.

On the matter of illegal immigration, the Democrats are more likely to pass a liberal new amnesty program than any GOP administration. The reason is that the Hispanic community seems to be “in play” and this is one constituency the Democrats really need to lock up in order to strengthen their position on the West Coast and in the Southwest.

One can only imagine the kind of social activist judges and Supreme Court justices that would be appointed by the Democratic nominee. The Federal Judiciary will begin to resemble the lunacy of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco. Can any responsible citizen sit home and allow the judiciary to lunge to the Left? This alone should energize conservatives. The dismantling of all religious tradition or symbolism in public life is likely to continue with a Democratic President and a liberal judiciary.

The final issue is one of national security. Certainly no one can believe that a Democratic administration will strengthen our intelligence and defense capabilities. It was under Democratic administrations that the CIA and other intelligence agencies became decimated and hand-tied. The Democrats have almost unanimously voted against nearly all major new weapons systems. At a time when we are in fact living in a Third World War, we can not go from a Churchill to a Chamberlain. It is disingenuous for the Democrats to glob onto intelligence deficiencies when they are largely the culprit for lack of human intelligence or material resources in the important area of espionage. In fighting a terrorist enemy, preemption is the natural policy and that requires intelligence first and foremost.

While President Bush may not be a conservative’s perfect president, the alternative should shake any discontents to active support of the President. Moreover, in the area of determining the security threat to the West and taking action, the President may go down as one of our greatest leaders. For the sake of the hope of more prudent domestic policy, judicial restraint and national security, there is really no choice. As for much of the domestic agenda, can we afford to sacrifice the good for the perfect?

Scott Shore is a political commentator and management consultant in Providence, Rhode Island.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
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To: TomasUSMC
I do not like the usually used term "pro-life," to describe those of us who are opposed to legalized abortion. The reason is that it confuses the issue, by defusing it and also by picking up a bit of other ideological baggage, that some people want to inject into a discussion which needs to be clarified, not obfuscated.

Having said that, I would agree that anyone who finds the Supreme Court mandate in Roe vs. Wade, or in any of the decisions applying it to frustrate the perfectly legitimate role of the States--under their Police Powers--to protect babies from a cruel and unnecessary death; that anyone who finds that acceptable, is not truly Conservative. That does not mean there is a divide between fiscal Conservatives and other Conservatives--it may highlight the fact that many people who have conservative views on fiscal matters, are not really Conservative. On the other hand, there are people who agree with us on stopping Abortion, who are not conservative on other questions. We need to do as the Left, and be happy for ad hoc support on individual issues, but still understand whom we can and cannot trust with out personal support for the overall war.

No, I would not appoint anyone to the Supreme Court who is to the Left of Justice Scalia. Abortion is just one of the abominations that activist "liberal" Justices have foisted upon us, which need to be overturned. For my ideas of how to effectively fight against legalized abortion, see Abortion Issue, and A Woman's Right To Choose?. The last of these is really more a taunting of Al Gore than a general discussion, but the first is a more general tactical approach.

William Flax

801 posted on 02/13/2004 10:32:57 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: tpaine
I'm sure it's only temporary. I've been booted before and so have you.

OWK's actually one of the smarter people here, not that that says much.

802 posted on 02/13/2004 10:37:24 AM PST by jjbrouwer (Chelsea for the Champions League)
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To: tpaine
Interesting comment from a member of a group who believes to know the 'one right way' yourselves, and who routinely use mockery as a cover for lack of intellectual honesty and debate.

It is WE who understand that one can intellectually, politically, and even emotionally come from different perspectives, and not have to be in total alignment to agree with the bigger picture. It is WE who understand that our President can do things we don't agree with and still get our support. It is WE who don't threaten like children to stay home on election day because our own feelings have been hurt. It is WE who understand that even fellow freepers can disagree with each other on issues, and still be on the same side......what is best for our country.

You on the far right are as elitest and arrogant as those on far left, and you seem to be a 'pompom girl' (if I might borrow one of your cute little phrases) for the cause.

803 posted on 02/13/2004 10:59:22 AM PST by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004 - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: My2Cents
If you'd read the bill, you'd know there are means tests for the drug benefit. But, as is typical, you folks don't want to be confused by the facts. You're balled up in your Bush-hatred, and nothing is going to convince you otherwise


Reading the bill is fine. Except as many on this board have stated, this thing is going to be rewritten over and over.
Where it ends up, nobody knows. Including you.
I don't hate Bush. I just don't like how he has handled issues that are important to me.
The war in Iraq isn't the only thing that matters to everyone. Many on this board fail to understand this.
804 posted on 02/13/2004 1:02:15 PM PST by Bogey
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To: jjbrouwer
Lets hope its just a suspension.

As to the other, I agree. It's quite arguable that the average on FR is below the mean.
805 posted on 02/13/2004 1:09:51 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines conservatism; - not the GOP. .)
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To: tpaine
Just came back to say I shouldn't have posted my last post to you (which you apparently are ignoring).

Not that it was wrong. Just unnecessary and deliberately argumentative, so I'm sorry........

806 posted on 02/13/2004 1:27:56 PM PST by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004 - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: ohioWfan
Soon we will have peace on FR.. All will agree on the one right way..

Interesting comment from a member of a group who believes to know the 'one right way' yourselves,

Daft.. -- I belong to no 'group' here and my fool comment about OWK is well justified by some of his posts, imo..

and who routinely use mockery as a cover for lack of intellectual honesty and debate.

I debate my views on constitutional libertarianism as honestly as my opponents allow.. -- And I give as good as I get for snide remarks from clowns..

It is WE who understand that one can intellectually, politically, and even emotionally come from different perspectives, and not have to be in total alignment to agree with the bigger picture. It is WE who understand that our President can do things we don't agree with and still get our support. It is WE who don't threaten like children to stay home on election day because our own feelings have been hurt.

As I remarked, you certainly have a vision of the one right way.. Your way..

It is WE who understand that even fellow freepers can disagree with each other on issues, and still be on the same side......what is best for our country.

But you cannot abide those who comment that your vision may not be, -- "what is best for our country"..

You on the far right are as elitest and arrogant as those on far left, and you seem to be a 'pompom girl' (if I might borrow one of your cute little phrases) for the cause.

Whatever.. Your efforts to 'bait' are best posted to the back room..

807 posted on 02/13/2004 1:28:52 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines conservatism; - not the GOP. .)
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To: tpaine
I see you missed my apology.

Good day.

808 posted on 02/13/2004 1:37:45 PM PST by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004 - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: Wolfstar
Your post was so good, I just wanted to post it further downthread:

Choose, people!


Do we want to be forever subservient to the UN?


Or do we want to continue our sovereign right to self-determination and self-protection?


Are we ashamed of America such that we need a president to apologize for us at every turn?


Or was that spontaneous bout of flag-waving and American pride after 9/11 real?


Do we want a leftist (i.e., Marxist) president who will make us subservient to the International Criminal Court, the Kyoto treaty, and every other pseudo-world government body?


Or do we want to maintain GWB's reversal of those Clinton policies?


Do we still cherish our unique Constitutional system and American heritage?


Or are we ready to toss it overboard?


Do we want to abandon the War on Terrorism, military tribunals for America's enemies, and taking the fight to the enemy?


Or do we want to continue the course set by President George W. Bush?


There is NO MIDDLE GROUND in this election. The choice is stark and the decision very grave, indeed. This November, we shall finally see what kind of country the United States is in this Year of Our Lord Two Thousand and Four (to use the ancient formulation).


809 posted on 02/13/2004 3:41:28 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget)
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To: bootless
Thanks, bootless. I know we hear this every election, but this time there really is a stark, clear choice.
810 posted on 02/13/2004 3:53:19 PM PST by Wolfstar (A self-confident cowboy nation, or a Kerrified nation. Your choice.)
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To: Lando Lincoln
I know I'm going to get flamed for this but here goes...

I've been thinking about these very issues for many years now. I believe the problem lies with culture, not government per se. But having written that, it is precisely the weakness of a democratic republic that culture can be willfully bent and shaped by the power-hungry. I think that is exactly what has happened to this country. Many moons ago, the Royal Family of England made comments to this effect; that is, that the very nature of a democratic republic is it's weakness. Once people realize how much influence they can collectively have on policy, and after generations and generations of cultural bending in the right (or, wrong!) direction, the citizens become more and more selfish. Indeed, the culture to which we are evolving is most powerfully characterized with the trait of selfishness. No longer does anyone believe in anything greater than themselves; in duty, honor and country. It's all about me, me, me. Liberalism is two sides of a counterfeit coin. On the one side you have those opportunists that use it to seize and hold power (and it can lead to LOTS of power; read the USSR) and those that buy into the nonsense because they are selfish. Though they may empathize with other selfish people, at bottom they are only self-interested brats. That's really all you need to know about liberalism because that's all it is.

In light of that, I'm coming to the sad conclusion that a democratic republic won't last long: Given enough time for sociopathic power freaks to bend the culture, you will always end up with a broken, dysfunctional society and ultimate collapse of a nation. My solution would be to keep the Fundamental Law we already have and add one more Article to it; an article creating a national Church with apostolic Bishops (because they'll stick to scripture - as they've pretty much done for 2'000 years - note that the pope still rejects homosexuality) who name their own successors. The Church would be legally independent of the government and the Constitution would remain the supreme law of the land, but the caveat is that you must be a member of the church in good standing to vote in any election. This would put an end to the culture bending that has politicians cow-towing to a constituency that sounds like a bunch of spoiled brats begging for a hand out or special treatment. It is also similar to the arrangement that was set up in the original 13 colonies; to wit, the colony of Massachusetts by the Puritans. If you want to vote, go to church. If you're a homosexual, murderer or espouse deviant or destructive lifestyles, rest assured the Bishops will ex-communicate you and the politicians will not bother trying to cow-tow to you. The culture may bend, but the constituency will remain 'pure'. Indeed, it would eliminate the incentive of special interests, hollywood and other destructive interests to try to change the culture in the first place. If your conscience dictates some other church or no church at all, fine, you can do that, but you still better work with your priest to remain a member of the National Church in good standing and PROVE that you're not a deviant. If you're ex-communicated you're no longer a politicians constitutent. If politicians don't care what you think - since you don't vote - then your ideas have little influence on government policy. Problem solved.

I think if I were a devout Baptist this would be a small price to pay for my country and it's posterity. Ironically, it is precisely due to culture bending that most people are aghast when you suggest anything that even hints of theocracy. Too sad. But if anyone has a better idea of how to at least slow down culture bending I would love to hear, that's just the best idea I've come up with so far. In short, Bush's hands are tied because the culture has changed out from under him. THAT's the real problem.
811 posted on 02/13/2004 4:34:24 PM PST by ableChair
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To: tpaine
...OWK got 'smacked' last night, sports fans..

Damn, I meant to implicate all of you guys just by being pleasant; are you sure they didn't send you at least a warning? Do you suppose Howlin didn't like my bulletin about dating Owk in the olden days?

My personal opinion is that Owk was just teasing and some member of the vrwc took offense.

So, did you hear the one about the rabbi and the chicken? Well, the rabbi...

812 posted on 02/13/2004 4:47:51 PM PST by harrowup (So perfect I'm naturally humble)
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To: harrowup
Nope, not even a warning. -- Perhaps I'm becoming special.. -- Or, - this could be due to my new habit of scrubbing up before typing every post.

-- No more unclean hands for me! --

813 posted on 02/13/2004 6:03:08 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines conservatism; - not the GOP. .)
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To: tpaine
Didn't I tell you many moons ago to go and sin no more...
814 posted on 02/13/2004 7:00:47 PM PST by harrowup (So perfect I'm naturally humble)
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To: OWK
I was going to post to you, but now I see you too have been banned. Good luck to you OWK.
815 posted on 02/13/2004 8:41:48 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
bump to read entire thread over holiday....
816 posted on 02/14/2004 1:30:24 AM PST by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Agamemnon
"You call yourself "principled." I call you impatient, and ungrateful, content to be content in your malcontentment.... and completely worthless in any contribution you think you are making by deserting the team on this long march back toward conservatism."

Wow, that was quite a rant...

You must be under the mistaken impression that I care about what you think... I don't!
817 posted on 02/15/2004 5:13:56 PM PST by Henrietta
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To: bayng
"GWB is a compassionate conservative so stop your harsh voice about him not doing enough for the whining Pat Buckerhead of yours.."

Wow, great job of parroting the Bushbot party line!

By the way, who's Pat Buckerhead?
818 posted on 02/15/2004 5:15:59 PM PST by Henrietta
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To: BigSkyFreeper
"Bush won't need your vote, he'll have millions more."

Gee, if Bush doesn't need my vote, why are all of you trying so hard to convince me that I should vote for him?

I think it's because, deep down, you know that Bush could very well be derailed by the betrayal of many of the people who voted for him last time.
819 posted on 02/15/2004 5:18:39 PM PST by Henrietta
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To: Henrietta
Wow, that was quite a rant... You must be under the mistaken impression that I care about what you think... I don't!

Since your original post was such a shining example of where a needy ego and brain death meet, I'm just going to refresh and bump for everybody's benefit what that scratch and sniff posting was that you stepped in and tried to wipe on the forum here to start with: ...I'm not voting for him EVEN IF THAT MEANS WE GET JOHN KERRY....I call us "principled."

Your inherent meaninglessness to the advancement of conservatism truly has no equal.

820 posted on 02/16/2004 4:06:52 PM PST by Agamemnon
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