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THE KERRY DOSSIER (post here anything you've uncovered on Kerry)
2/11/04
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Posted on 02/11/2004 10:04:05 AM PST by Liz
Edited on 02/24/2004 3:01:19 AM PST by Lead Moderator.
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Kerry-Fonda pic
Actress and activist Jane Fonda attends an anti-Vietnam War rally at Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. The rally was sponsored by Vietnam veterans. John Kerry can be seen directly in the background. 1970 Valley Forge, Pennsylvania, USALeif Skoogfors (CORBIS)
WASH TIMES 2/11 Rep. Sam Johnson, Texas Republican, who spent nearly seven years in a prisoner-of-war camp in Vietnam, said yesterday the photograph of Mr. Kerry with Miss Fonda will hurt him nevertheless. "I think it symbolizes how two-faced he is, talking about his war reputation, which is questionable on the one hand, and then coming out against our veterans who were fighting over there on the other," Mr. Johnson said. Mr. Johnson recalled that his North Vietnamese captors played recordings of Miss Fonda telling U.S. troops to give up the war. "Seeing this picture of Kerry with her at antiwar demonstrations in the United States just makes me want to throw up."
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To: CedarDave
Tom Hayden and Jane Fonda being interviewed after their return from North Vietnam.
Jane Fonda tells the world press that the American Prisoners of War were being well treated and not tortured. On November 21, 1970 she told a University of Michigan audience of some two thousand students, "If you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would some day become communist." At Duke University in North Carolina she repeated what she had said in Michigan, adding "I, a socialist, think that we should strive toward a socialist society, all the way to communism. " Washington Times July 7, 2000
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posted on
02/11/2004 7:19:02 PM PST
by
kcvl
To: kcvl; snippy_about_it
<==Mash This for a Vietnam Vets opin ion on Hanoi Jane
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posted on
02/11/2004 7:21:11 PM PST
by
SAMWolf
(I misplaced my dictionary. Now I'm at a loss for words.)
To: Liz
"Vietnam war veterans throw back their Purple Hearts, Bronze Stars, Silver Stars, campaign ribbons and other items on the
U.S. Capitol Building grounds in an Anti-Vietnam war protest on April 23, 1971.
About 800 veterans marched to the barricaded area of the Capitol on the final day of Operation Dewey Canyon III."
I don't see Kerry in this photo, but he is there somewhere...
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posted on
02/11/2004 7:21:45 PM PST
by
deadhead
(God Bless Our Troops and Veterans)
To: CedarDave
Not my doing, Registered must have changed the pic at that link. LOL!
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posted on
02/11/2004 7:22:09 PM PST
by
SAMWolf
(I misplaced my dictionary. Now I'm at a loss for words.)
To: Liz
"He now makes much of his decorations from the war in Vietnam, to appeal to centrists and conservatives, without reminding those audiences that he for long was a leader of Vietnam veterans against the war.
Indeed, assiduous searchers, looking for his vulnerabilities, will find much of interest in that period of his life. For example, the fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations (CNO), Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets. "We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said. "Bud" Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions -- but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage."
Can John Kerry hold on to his lead?
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posted on
02/11/2004 7:24:16 PM PST
by
11th_VA
(Endure the suffering - Christ is King !)
To: LibWhacker
Jane Fonda began her participation in anti-war activities around 1967, allegedly after meeting with Communists while in France and with American citizens who were revolutionaries. Her activities included active participation in demonstrations, rallies, radio broadcasts and plays.
Jane Fonda also helped in the organization of a production group called the F.T.A. (F*** The Army). This group helped to set up coffee houses near military bases where they would perform anti-war derogatory-type sketches for the visiting soldiers. The coffee-house sketches were intended to counterpoint the U.S.O. shows, such as Bob Hope and other U.S.O. sponsored performers whose performances increased morale and gave positive support to American soldiers. Some of the F.T.A. coffee house employees would mingle with the soldiers to help them to "relax and unwind", while encouraging the soldiers to desert. Some soldiers alleged that they were promised jobs and money by the F.T.A. if they deserted.
The Vietnam Veterans Against the War Organization received major financial support from Jane Fonda. Jane Fonda's F.T.A. coffee houses helped in recruiting soldiers and veterans for the Vietnam Veterans Against The War Organization. The Vietnam Veterans Against the War Organization membership was approximately 7,000 at it's highest. The Organization's membership number was comparatively low, when you consider that more than 2 1/2 million Americans served during the Vietnam war.
Jane Fonda personally sought out returning American soldiers from Vietnam to solicit them to publicly speak out against American atrocities against Vietnamese women and children during her broadcasts. North Vietnamese officials based in Canada allegedly coordinated her broadcasts.
In 1972 Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden and others traveled to North Vietnam to give their support to the North Vietnamese's Government. When she returned to the United States, she advised the news media that all of the American Prisoners of War were being well treated and were not being tortured.
As the American POWs returned home in 1973, they spoke out about the inhumane treatment and torture they had suffered as prisoners of war. Their stories directly contradicted Jane Fonda's earlier statements of 1972. Some of the American POWs such as Senator John McCain, a former Presidential candidate, stated that he was tortured by his guards for refusing to meet with Jane Fonda and her group. Jane Fonda, in her response to these new allegations, referred to the returning POWs as being "hypocrites and liars."
The Wall Street Journal (August 3, 1995) published an interview with Bui Tin who served on the General Staff of the North Vietnam Army and received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975. During the interview Mr. Tin was asked if the American antiwar movement was important to Hanoi's victory. Mr. Tin responded "It was essential to our strategy" referring to the war being fought on two fronts, the Vietnam battlefield and back home in America through the antiwar movement on college campuses and in the city streets. He further stated the North Vietnamese leadership listened to the American evening news broadcasts "to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement." Visits to Hanoi made by persons such as Jane Fonda, former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and various church ministers "gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses." Mr. Tin surmised that "America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win." Mr. Tin further advised that General Vo Nguyen Giap (Commanding General of the North Vietnam Army) said the 1968 Tet Offensive was a defeat. Gen. Giap in his book, made the same statement, adding that they were surprised by the news media reporting and the demonstrations in America. Instead of seeking a conditional surrender, they would now hold out because America's resolve was weakening and victory could be theirs.
From 1969 to the end of the war over 20,000 American soldiers lost their lives in a war that the United States did not have the resolve to win. If General Giap was accurate in his assessment that North Vietnam was going to seek a conditional surrender at the Paris Peace Conference, but stopped due to the sensationalism of the American news media and the anti-war protests following the 1968 Tet Offensive, it follows that those who participated in these anti-war activities have to share partial responsibility for those 20,000 + Americans deaths.
We won the war on the battlefield but lost it back home on the college campuses and in the city streets.
Americans must realize that there are agents* operating in this Country attempting to undermine our Country and it's leadership through our democratic principles in an effort to achieve a foreign country's goal. A prime example of such a person during the Vietnam War was Jane Fonda, an admitted Socialist, who blatantly supported North Vietnam. * Agent - Any person who works to obtain the goals of another nation either for money or for their own political beliefs.
A valuable lesson was taught by North Vietnam to other nations on how the United States may be defeated by fighting a two front war - the battlefield and the American home front. We must be aware of this vulnerability.
In 1975, after the fall of the South Vietnam Government, Jane Fonda returned to Hanoi with her newborn son Troy for a celebration in her honor for the work she had done for North Vietnam. During the celebration, her son was christened after a Viet Cong hero, Nguyen Van Troi. Troi had attempted to assassinate Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara while on his visit to South Vietnam in 1963. The South Vietnam Government executed Troi for this attempted assassination.
I have heard and read that some people believe that Jane Fonda was simply young and impressionable. Jane Fonda was born on December 21, 1937. She was 34 years old when she made her infamous trip to North Vietnam and was in her 30's when she participated in anti-war demonstrations and rallies. During this same time period a large number of young American soldiers, who had not yet reached their 21st birthday, were fighting the war in Vietnam and were held accountable for all of their actions. These same young soldiers were, upon their return to the United States, still not of legal age to vote or buy alcoholic beverages. Jane Fonda was an adult when she made these conscious decisions and actions, and as such, she is responsible and should be held accountable. The Vietnam Memorial Wall contains the names of 25,493 American soldiers who served their Country and paid the ultimate price for freedom who were under the age of 21 ( Casualty Statistics).
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posted on
02/11/2004 7:24:22 PM PST
by
kcvl
To: CedarDave
Oh OK .. yes I did see that one already
Thanks
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posted on
02/11/2004 7:26:06 PM PST
by
Mo1
(" Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?")
To: LibWhacker; Liz; kcvl
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posted on
02/11/2004 7:33:10 PM PST
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: SAMWolf
BWAHAHAHAHA! I went back to the other site where the Hanoi John/Jane photo was linked and now fat Teddy comes up! And, it was linked to by a liberal!
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posted on
02/11/2004 7:36:54 PM PST
by
Azzurri
To: Liz
From another thread:
San Francisco Chronicle, March 10, 1998 pA6
Democratic Fund-Raiser Chung Is Arraigned.
Full Text: COPYRIGHT 1998 San Francisco Chronicle
Democratic fund-raiser Johnny Chung was arraigned yesterday on federal charges of making illegal campaign contributions and ordered to return to court next week to enter his plea.
Chung's lawyer said the Taiwanese-born businessman will plead guilty to charges that include funneling $20,000 in illegal donations to the Clinton-Gore campaign and $8,000 to the campaign of Senator John Kerry, D-Mass.
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01/20/2004 5:22:22 PM PST by
mass55th
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posted on
02/11/2004 7:37:35 PM PST
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: Mo1
F.T.A. (*uck The Army)
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posted on
02/11/2004 7:37:49 PM PST
by
kcvl
To: SAMWolf; Registered
that's some good work..wow!
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posted on
02/11/2004 7:39:54 PM PST
by
The Mayor
(Be steadfast, immovable, . . . knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.)
To: kcvl
I read somewhere that Fonda had fought to keep that movie in the back room and not to be sold on videos
Gee .. I wonder way?????
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posted on
02/11/2004 7:40:13 PM PST
by
Mo1
(" Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?")
To: adam_az; Liz; backhoe; kcvl
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posted on
02/11/2004 7:42:25 PM PST
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: Liz; Yosemitest
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posted on
02/11/2004 7:44:23 PM PST
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: SAMWolf
where the hell did fat ted come from??
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posted on
02/11/2004 7:44:43 PM PST
by
The Mayor
(Be steadfast, immovable, . . . knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.)
To: Mo1
Insight Book Exclusive - How 'Hanoi Jane' Betrayed America As Dept. is likely aware from press reports, actress Jane Fonda arrived in Hanoi July 8 via Aeroflot from Moscow. Subject was not carried as passenger on Aeroflot manifest deposited during Vientiane transit morning July 8 nor did she disembark to transit lounge.
Fonda had left the United States, traveled to Paris and, fittingly, flown from there to Moscow. Boarding an Aeroflot flight in the Soviet capital, apparently incognito, she remained on the airplane when it landed in supposedly neutral Laos and exited only when she arrived in Hanoi, North Vietnam. "Clad in black pajamas [typically worn by the Viet Cong in the South] and a white tunic, Jane stepped off her Aeroflot jet on July 8, 1972.
She arrived, she told her uniformed, helmeted hosts, with 'greetings' from revolutionary 'comrades' in America."
Fonda had come to Hanoi as had [Tom] Hayden, Joan Baez and other Americans before her willingly and knowingly to provide grist for the North Vietnamese propaganda mill.
Despite the "public-relations" risk of torturing American prisoners of war, the North Vietnamese chanced it because of the high value they placed on propaganda. At no time was this more apparent than in 1967, when the Communists opened yet another POW facility in Hanoi this one "devoted specifically to the production and dissemination of propaganda." Among its several prisoner-given names, it is probably best known as the "plantation." "The Vietnamese converted a portion of the facility into a Potemkin village of sanitized cells, garden patches and scrubbed corridors that would serve as a showplace for displaying the captives to visiting delegations and conducting photo sessions and other propaganda activities."
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posted on
02/11/2004 7:44:53 PM PST
by
kcvl
To: The Mayor
LOL! Someone changed the picture at the link. Ted looks good don't he?
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posted on
02/11/2004 7:45:48 PM PST
by
SAMWolf
(I misplaced my dictionary. Now I'm at a loss for words.)
To: Liz
Dewey Canyon III ~ April, 1971
The Mankato VVAW office organized a statewide VVAW meeting that
was accompanied by a peace conference sponsored by VVAW and the
Mankato State Student Activities Office. Members of the VVAW national
office attended and both John Kerry and Al Hubbard of the national
office addressed the conference.
Go to http://www.jwsrockgarden.com/vvaw-jwa.htm to read more.
To: kcvl
Go to the library or microfische and look for articles around the date above. We might find more pictures of Hanoi Jane and John Kerry!!!!
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posted on
02/11/2004 7:48:59 PM PST
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
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