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Vanity | Feb. 11, 2004 | Nix Two

Posted on 02/07/2004 4:31:25 PM PST by Nix 2

Gotta tell you something, people. Other than listening to the demons wail about the deficit, what difference has it made in any of your lives? None. Interest rates have not gone up. The Medicare reform bill has the rats climbing the wall because it is the first step towards its OWN slow death. Even G-d kept the Jews wandering in the wilderness until the whole generations of them that knew slavery were dead. So now, seniors have a prescription program and younger workers will have private health accounts. It took the dems a gazillion years to try to make everyone in the USA a slave to government and take over US healthcare bit by bit. This year it would have been fully government run if Gore had made it to Pennsylvania Avenue. Bush is unraveling their dream of the world under Marx.

Are you watching the teachers' union howling at the moon? They can't teach, so they blame the kids for not being able to learn. Bush gave them their chance. They are blowing it big-time. The more they try and steal our kids, the harder we fight, and the more they scream. But it will have its end and it will be under a Bush presidency. We need good minds to have better goals. No one knows that better than he does. The dems are freaking out over *No Child Left behind* because if a teacher can't teach, he/she has got to go. The dems would protect these stupid, moneygrubbers at any cost including the cost of your children's education.

Privatization of ALL healthcare is paramount if we are to maintain the best healthcare system in the world. The dems have run doctors out of practice, turned insurance companies into beancounters, claimed that pharmaceutical companies, which have given us virtually many more years to live, vile, filthy creatures who stalk the weak and the poor. Now, the first step back towards freedom is being looked at and whined about as if you so-called conservatives were personally wounded and the bleeding will never stop. The truly wounded are the democrats who see their phoney, dark, delusional world exposed to the unforgiving light of the truth. They are losing...but will you give credit? This is too pathetic. Do you let others do your thinking now?

What exactly about the immigration reform has you so riled up? You are jumping to so many bogus conclusions, I don't even know where to start. You call it amnesty, and I ask you WHEREIN lies the amnesty? Is it not a fact that no illegal will be able to get a job unless Americans expressly turn it down? And is it not further fact that Americans will receive better training for BETTER jobs because SOMEBODY believes that we have better brains and can learn better skills to come up with better ideas, instead of having the sugah-daddy dems giving everyone handouts and more unemployment compensation so they WOULDN'T go back to work. Don't you realize that only prolonged the recovery, not helped it, or me, or you? Do you realize that maybe, just maybe, some of the jobs illegals take right now will henceforth be open to our American teenagers who lost them to 40 and 50 year old illegals flipping burgers, training jobs, entry level jobs, jobs that taught our kids what it meant to have a work ethic and some responsibilty so they can stop expecting us to spoil them half to death. If they want a $150.00 pair of silly shoes, let them but them themselves. If they want a car, a little hard work never hurt anyone. Or has it truly escaped you that Americans First means young Americans as well? THIS takes a generation as well but like liberals everywhere, yesterday seems to be much too late. Well, where were you when all these things were building up? I asked someone a few years ago, right here on this board. He said "Sure, I think about it, but...I have a family and can't afford to do the right thing.

Now, Bush does the right thing, depriving no one of anything, and the crocodile tears are starting to make Conservatives look more and more like the libs with their hands constantly extended.

Are you stopping in your misplaced anger at President Bush to realize that terrorists damaged us in an excruciating way, but if Gore, or any of his ilk would have been president, they would have seized on that moment to finalize their control over us in ways that should make you thank the Lord for Bush. Gun control would be a gun ban period. We would probably be under martial law, our government would be gone, and our soldiers would be patroling OUR streets while Bin Laden was enjoying French hospitality. The Islamist State Department would be busily going about installing some form of sharia law by now. Do you want to be Canada? Then go the hell there and stop calling yourselves conservatives, because you ain't.

If you were truly conservatives, you would be stopping to think about the freedom you DIDN'T lose. We are at war. They aren't here, WE are there. You would realize that fully one fourth of the US was on fire almost at the same time. We've had megafloods. The Clinton Administration cooked the Stockmarket books to give the illusion of prosperity. Bush has unraveled the tangled yarn and then some. Do you think that was cheap? Do you realize that President Bush rolled back many of the insane enviroweenie laws that caused all that, and because of it, logging can happen again. Oil drilling can begin again. Care will be taken to stop the kind of corrupt and corrupted opposing environmental laws that did nothing to help the environment, but it sure helped to line the pockets of the UN believers of the world and their science of unreality and fishy fantasy.

Are you so nonsatisfiable that you don't realize that the man from Texas stood and faced down the UN so that they can't even get a paragraph ratified because he has them running in circles and has not much to do with the terrorists and crooks who run the damb place.

We have a good man as President. He will be even better with a bigger majority in the House and Senate. Anyone else who is, or might run, will NEVER be able to accomplish what Bush has already accomplished, and he isn't done yet...and there is NO SUCH THING as instant gratification. All that leads to his horrors down the road...like Medicare was before this reform.



TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: deficit; democrats; fauxconservative; fuzzylogic; illegals; jobs; kyoto; medicare; navelinthinker; pathetic
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To: EternalVigilance
that all principled conservatives

EV,I'm sorry you missed my point.I'm not in disagreement with a goodly bit of your statements. You do understand what I was trying to say, though, correct?

321 posted on 02/07/2004 8:55:42 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: dubyaismypresident
And you think the sample is not representive...why?

Representative of what? Yes it is consistently representative of the 20% unappeasable that have always been here. That 20% does not represent a pool of potential votes to be swayed. That 20% is and always has been anti-GOP/Bush.

322 posted on 02/07/2004 8:55:50 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Nix 2
So now, seniors have a prescription program

Yeah..one that will cost them just about as much as what they have now, and in some cases more. What this is about is a $500,000,000,000 gift to the drug companies that have been gouging the elderly and ill in order to subsidize cheap drugs outside our borders. For three months prior to this boondoggle, the drug companies had been wining and dining our politicians, giving large contributions in order to get them to ban the customers going off border to purchase their drugs at reasonable prices. What they got was the above mentioned gift, paid for by you and me. Reward for gouging America. Capische?
323 posted on 02/07/2004 8:57:48 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (SHUT THE DOOR IN 2004!)
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To: Texasforever; Lazamataz; Happygal; hellinahandcart
There, there. You've got yourself all worked up.


324 posted on 02/07/2004 8:57:56 PM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy!)
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To: joesbucks
"For years conservatives were wrong about deficits"

ROTFLOL! You people just don't quit with your disinformation do you ..??
325 posted on 02/07/2004 8:58:37 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: Texasforever; EternalVigilance
Speaking of 20%.... It was Rove that alluded to some 4 million of the Religious Right that didn't show in 2000. That's 4 million out of some 19 million he expected to vote... 4/19=21%.

The 20% or so on FR aren't all conservatives by any stretch and wouldn't vote for President Bush regardless. The same was showing in 2000 when Keyes, Buchanan, etc would win many polls of FR participants but didn't get a good sniff on election day... If I remember correctly according to exit polling President Bush only got some 81% of conservatives with most of the remainder voting for Gore...
326 posted on 02/07/2004 8:59:01 PM PST by deport (269 days until Tuesday 2 November - General Election)
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To: Texasforever; EternalVigilance
...in spite of the unappeasables.

This provides a good example. The poster you were speaking with is not, in his opinion, or mine, if that matters, "unappeasable." Because you addressed it to him it may appear as a personal attack. If you are attacking him, well, you got your point across in a roundabout way. If, however, you were not intending to accuse EV of unappeasability, perhaps you could be a bit more specific, pinging the posters who have actually demonstrated this to you? You might also quote a specific post where they expressed this unappeasability.

In this way you would not be offending someone you did not intend to offend, either the person you replied to with the comment or lurking FReepers, yet you would still be getting your point across.

327 posted on 02/07/2004 8:59:18 PM PST by .30Carbine (Is the Right to Life your number one issue?)
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To: gatorbait
Pretty much.
328 posted on 02/07/2004 8:59:22 PM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy!)
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To: dubyaismypresident
I haave a dozen more if you are intereested
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3914b11a20d4.htm

No, I just disagree with libertarians, populists and paleo-cons.
329 posted on 02/07/2004 9:00:24 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
The 20% that have voted in the FR poll.

Thank you for making that distinction. I don't know who they are; do you?

330 posted on 02/07/2004 9:00:48 PM PST by .30Carbine (Is the Right to Life your number one issue?)
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To: Texasforever
Representative of what?

Representative of FR.

It is consistently representative of the 20% unappeasable that have always been here.

Again, source please.

That 20% does not represent a pool of potential votes to be swayed. That 20% is and always has been anti-GOP/Bush.

Well of course FR is not representative of the larger population. That is a given.

I still stand by the "don't let the door hit you on the way out" strategy as effective voter outreach.

331 posted on 02/07/2004 9:01:16 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Arlen Specter supports the regime in Iran, which is the same one that took our people hostage)
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To: Texasforever
Since 2000 there has always been an 80/20 split on FR between GOP conservatives and 3rd party libertarians/populists/paleo-conservatives.

Is that a personal guesstimate, or has someone done the research?

332 posted on 02/07/2004 9:02:30 PM PST by .30Carbine (Is the Right to Life your number one issue?)
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To: deport
Fine. Go right on slamming conservatives, if you somehow think that is going to help the man you profess undying loyalty to.

But forgive me if I consider that crazy.
333 posted on 02/07/2004 9:03:32 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Texasforever
I still don't stand by the "don't let the door hit you on the way out" strategy as effective voter outreach.

Editted and corrected.

334 posted on 02/07/2004 9:03:48 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Arlen Specter supports the regime in Iran, which is the same one that took our people hostage)
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To: dubyaismypresident
There is no such thing as "voter outreach on FR" There never has been

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39a0dd66179a.htm



335 posted on 02/07/2004 9:04:07 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: sauropod

336 posted on 02/07/2004 9:05:47 PM PST by diotima
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To: .30Carbine
I haven't spoken in generalities. I am speaking to exactly what I've seen, heard, and read right here and on State Pages. Some of the rhetoric is appalling. That is what I was addressing...and trying to add some understanding of the bogus bad rap President Bush has gotten for almost everything he has done on domestic issues. Personally, with most of the world and the leftist libs, Marxists, fascists, Communists, and Socialists throwing pond scum at him 24/7, I am amazed that he has been able to accomplish even a third of what he has managed to do, with little or no help at all from those we trusted for help.
Republican used to mean OPPOSITE of democrat. Now, we have Scottish law, International law, green law, and heaven only knows who else has snuck in and destroyed us from within. We keep saying we want our country back. Maybe we should take our party back first and quit blaming the one man who had the guts to deal with it all.
Who REALLY believes that Bush didn't feel in his heart, (and he SHOULD have been right,) that the Campaign Reform Act would have been overturned by the Supreme Court? It IS unconstitutional. Who really believes that he thought HIS OWN PARTY would send him such a bill after he warned them? And do you REALLY think he would be so easy to deal with after that? He has told Congress not to send him the assault weapons ban. If they do, are you going to blame him for that too? We are supposed to be the majority. McCain was dirty. He hasn't stopped being dirty. Dirty money got him in trouble. He was just so determined to punish the whole electorate for it. So why isn't anyone screaming blue Moses about McCain? You know...the great *conservative* McCain?
337 posted on 02/07/2004 9:06:05 PM PST by Nix 2 (http://www.warroom.com QUINN AND ROSE from 6-10 AM-104.7 FM in da Burgh&WWVA AM)
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To: Texasforever
Just remember, in the FR vote:

If it's Kerry vs Bush how will you vote?

Kerry 28 votes - 1%

338 posted on 02/07/2004 9:06:05 PM PST by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: Texasforever
Well, you think you are helping Bush and I think you are helping Kerry by angering right minded people. I guess we just are not going to agree.

P.S. Again in full disclosure: I am voting for Bush no matter how much you and your ilk anger me.

339 posted on 02/07/2004 9:06:18 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Arlen Specter supports the regime in Iran, which is the same one that took our people hostage)
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To: .30Carbine
Is that a personal guesstimate, or has someone done the research?

When you add the libertarian/populist/paleo-con/JBS contengient together yes it is about 20%.

340 posted on 02/07/2004 9:06:28 PM PST by Texasforever
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