[discostu]

Oh yeah, they opened up the architecture to be able to run non-Mac OSes. Wonder why they had to do that? Oh yeah, because they had a 7% marketshare and falling. Of course you can't buy a Mac with an OS not from Apple. Still a clean monopoly on the OS, and they never would have opened up the architecture if they had won the war with Windows.

Really? Motorola makes the chips for them, who makes the computers? Where are the Mac cloans if there's "more than one"? They STILL have a monopoly on the hardware.

Crap architecture that Mac had to embrace to grab some marketshare. Not that it matters, it's a red herring you're raising to distract from the FACT that Mac was targeting a dual monopoly.

I didn't say they aren't a business Hal, I said their "free" video editing software isn't free. Not saying that's a bad or a good thing, just a TRUE thing. No bundled software is free, your throwing red herring at this is telling. As does your need to use the Wintel shorthand and completely ignore AMD and other competitors. Drop the red herrings Hal, I've come to expect better from you.

[HAL9000]

"Of course you can't buy a Mac with an OS not from Apple."

Yes, you can. Apple's online store sells Office v.X for Mac Professional Edition which includes Windows XP Professional. You can buy it with a Mac.

"Motorola makes the chips for them, who makes the computers?"

Motorola does manufacture PowerPCs, but Apple is switching to IBM's PowerPCs. Microsoft and Sony are also using PowerPCs for some of their future products.

"As does your need to use the Wintel shorthand and completely ignore AMD and other competitors."

I don't ignore AMD - I have a couple of computers with AMD processors.

"Drop the red herrings Hal, I've come to expect better from you."

Sorry if I've disappointed you, but after 30 years as a computer user, I just won't settle for a second-rate platform like Wintel.

[antiRepublicrat]

Really? Motorola makes the chips for them, who makes the computers?

What will really get you is that those chips were begun with a partnership between IBM (you know, the PC guys), Motorola and Apple.

[Swordmaker]

didn't say they aren't a business Hal, I said their "free" video editing software isn't free.

If that is the case, how come Mac owners, who DIDN'T get the free software because it wasn't released when they bought their computers, can download if for free from the Apple website to add to their machines???

PS, Discostu, your ignorance is showing again. IBM makes the PowerPC G5 chips, not Motorola.