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Incan Counting System Decoded?
Discovery News ^ | 1-30-2004 | Rossella Lorenzi

Posted on 01/30/2004 8:10:33 AM PST by blam

Incan Counting System Decoded?

By Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News

Learn how to add 9+7 on the yupana abacus.

Jan. 29, 2004 — The Inca invented a powerful counting system that could be used to make complex calculations without the tiniest mistake, according to an Italian engineer who claims to have cracked the mathematics of this still mysterious ancient population.

Begun in the Andean highlands in about 1200, the Inca ruled the largest empire on Earth by the time their last emperor, Atahualpa, was garroted by Spanish conquistadors in 1533.

Long been considered the only major Bronze Age civilization without a written language, they left mysterious objects that, according to the latest research, would have been used to store units of information.

Recent studies are investigating the hypothesis that elaborated knotted strings known as khipu contain a hidden written language stored following a seven-bit binary code. Nobody, however, had been able to explain the meaning of these geometrical tablets known as yupana.

Different in size and shape, the yupana had been often interpreted as a stylized fortress model. Some scholars also interpreted it as a counting board, but how the abacus would have worked remained a mystery.

"It took me about 40 minutes to solve the riddle. I am not an expert on pre-Columbian civilizations. I simply decoded a 16th century drawing from a book on mathematical enigmas I received as a Christmas present," engineer Nicolino De Pasquale said.

The drawing was found in a 1,179 page letter by the Peruvian Felipe Guaman Poma de Ayala to the King of Spain. A simple array of cells consisting of five rows and four columns, the drawing showed one circle in the right cell on the bottom row, two circles in the next cell, three circles in the other one and five circles in the last cell of the row. The same pattern applied to the above rows.

According to De Pasquale, the circles in the cells are nothing but the first numbers of the Fibonacci series, in which each number is a sum of two previous: 1, 2, 3, 5.

The abacus would then work on a base 40 numbering system.

"Instead, all scholars based their calculations according to a base 10 counting system. But calculations made to base 40 are quicker, and can be easily reconverted to base 10," Antonio Aimi, curator of the exhibition "Peru, 3,000 Years of Masterpieces" running in Florence, told Discovery News.

"Since we lack definitive archaeological evidence, we tested this claim on 16 yupana from museums across the world. De Pasquale's system works on all of them," Antonio Aimi, curator of the exhibition "Peru, 3,000 years of masterpieces" running in Florence, told Discovery News.

The Inca's calculating system (see an example of how it works in the slide show) does not take into consideration the number zero. Moreover, numbers do not exist as graphic representations.

According to Aimi, in most cases the Inca made their calculations by simply drawing rows and columns on the ground. The unusual counting way is described in an account by the Spanish priest José de Acosta, who lived among the Inca from 1571 to 1586.

"To see them use another kind of calculator, with maize kernels, is a perfect joy... . They place one kernel here, three somewhere else and eight, I do not know where. They move one kernel here and there and the fact is that they are able to complete their computation without making the smallest mistake," Acosta wrote in his book "Historia Natural Moral de las Indias."

The claim has sparked a dispute among scholars.

Gary Urton, professor of Precolumbian studies at Harvard University, an authority on khipu research, told Discovery News: "The fact that an explanation can be constructed for one or even several yupana that conforms to this theory of a base 40 numbering system amongst the Incas is of some modest interest.

"How would one explain the many statements in the Spanish chronicles, both those written by Spaniards and by literate Andeans, who stated quite straightforwardly that the Inca used a base 10 counting system? This system is also attested in a mountain of early colonial documents that describe how the Inca organized their administrative system according to a base 10 counting system."

As Aimi concedes, the claim has the limits of any interpretative system that isn't proven with definitive historical evidence.

"We would need to find a Rosetta yupana, something similar to the deciphering of Egyptian hieroglyphics from the Rosetta stone. Since we can't have it, I would consider a strong evidence the fact that the system works on all yupana examined," he said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: artifacts; decoded; godsgravesglyphs; history; inca; incancounting; khipu; quipu; system

1 posted on 01/30/2004 8:10:34 AM PST by blam
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To: farmfriend
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2 posted on 01/30/2004 8:11:06 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
So you use the Fibonacci series to get to 5, but then you break up the pattern once you get to 5!?!?! THEN you take two OF THE SAME pile(5) to get to 10^1. Then you take 10!!!! of the 10^1 to get to 10^2. Hardly seem logical to have three different way of grouping the beans. Looks to me like this guy is trying to shoe horn this counting system into base 10 when it doesn't have to be.
3 posted on 01/30/2004 8:26:27 AM PST by SengirV
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To: blam
Fascinating. Interesting head problem in the morning.

The example at the Discovery site isn't real good, however. There are lots of step-by-step moves that seem superflous.

The abacus that is pictured with 10^1, 10^2, 10^3 etc is a base 10 system and can't be right if it's a base 40 system. That is how a modern person would think of it.

In a base 40 system, there would be places for 40^1, 40^2, 40^3 etc.

As described, it's not a perfect Fibonacci system either -- it should be 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, etc. Right?

I can't think in those terms of course, being conditioned over 60 years in base 10. Maybe the Incas could, though! All they would need is names for each Fibo number.
4 posted on 01/30/2004 8:49:29 AM PST by RandyRep
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5 posted on 01/30/2004 9:01:35 AM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: SengirV
The Japanese language contains remnants of a system whereby different classes of things were given numerical values according to totally different words and systems.

This characteristic makes Japanese a bit difficult to learn.

I've always wondered what the original systems looked like ~ maybe this is a clue.

6 posted on 01/30/2004 9:01:40 AM PST by muawiyah
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7 posted on 01/30/2004 9:40:30 AM PST by S.O.S121.500
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8 posted on 01/30/2004 9:53:31 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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9 posted on 01/30/2004 2:10:35 PM PST by msdrby (US Veterans: All give some, but some give all.)
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1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55

A rabbit pair begins with 1, so the series begins with another 1. 1, 1, 2, 3, . . ..

10 posted on 01/30/2004 2:16:06 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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2,4,6,8 I have a head ache from the system this guy did fabricate.
11 posted on 01/31/2004 6:49:40 PM PST by Henchman (I Hench, therefore I am!)
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12 posted on 08/15/2005 4:16:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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"Blam, did you get your browser problem fixed? "

I'm limping along now but, I don't know how or what's going on. I'm gonna try to get by until my son gets here at the end of September. So...

13 posted on 08/15/2005 5:09:20 PM PDT by blam
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Sorry to hear that. My suggestions may have been too vague to work. If I were there, I could probably show you what to do, but of course, more may be going on than just a vanishing menu bar.


14 posted on 08/15/2005 6:18:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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Ancient "new" math? Aye Carumba!


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"...more may be going on than just a vanishing menu bar."

I think so. I've been working on it, I have four now. LOL, I even have an MTV bar, ugh.

16 posted on 08/15/2005 6:41:00 PM PDT by blam
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