Rough Ride - Protect Our Border's - Fight Illegal Immigration {{{Ongoing Thread}}}

Southern Poverty Law Center ^ | 1-29-04 | Bob Moser

[JustPiper]

Being I do not want this to be assumed as a vanity thread I am posting a legitimate article that was recently brought to my attention.

This article has upset me greatly. When the Freedom Bus Ride was ongoing, we had an ongoing thread posted by EternalWarming. On this thread I posted an after Freep report my daughter and I attended in Chicago. On this thread someone also posted an inflammatory picture which was removed but we tastelessly laughed at it.

We had someone, that obviously was a DU and threatened us but singled myself out, with reporting it to Southern Poverty Law Center that I in fact was a hate monger. As many poster's this person was a hit/miss. I attended this Freep back in June. And this article has a few paragraphs about me, one of which is exactly what I posted. The second, is apparently doctored and quite contrary to my post. I cleared this in order to be able to post it.

Credit to thecabal for the above logo

Today begins an ongoing thread to add your links, important news,legislative happenings etc. all regarding the protection of our borders. There are now so many articles and news stories that it is good to have one place to view it all.

I will start off this thread with saying I believe we all need to contact our state representatives and those is our party who need to know this is not a one-horse issue that will go away.I have stated that all it takes is one issue to start a domino effect and the entire administration could fall apart. None of us wants that to happen. We also need to contact the media and make sure the democratic spin on this is not for political advantage. This issue is closely correlated with the War On Terror for terrorist's are using our open border's against us the same way they used commercial flights to attack us on 911.

Being I do not want this to be assumed as a vanity thread I am posting a legitimate article that was recently brought to my attention.

Here is the story:

Anti-immigration activists confront a pro-migrant freedom ride — joined by some of America's leading neo-Nazi groups

Exerpted:

On the sparkling afternoon of Oct. 3, 18 buses carrying more than 900 Immigrant Workers Freedom Riders rolled into New Jersey's Liberty State Park. The riders, many of them illegal immigrant workers from Central America, had boarded the buses nearly two weeks before in 10 different U.S. cities.

Inspired by the 1961 Freedom Rides for black civil rights, they'd made more than 100 stops in small towns and big cities to promote their reform agenda: greater workplace protections, reunification of immigrant families, and a "road to citizenship" for America's estimated 8 to 10 million undocumented workers.

Some of the protests had been lonely, with one or two anti-immigration activists holding signs with slogans like "Being Illegal Is Not a Civil Right." But at upwards of a dozen Freedom Ride stops, the anti-immigration activists had been joined by members of the nation's largest white-supremacist hate groups — all of whom had come together for today's demonstration.

Their arguments often sounded similar. Like Turner and many hate-group leaders, the powerful Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) and Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) called for federal officials to arrest the undocumented Freedom Riders.

"Any event that advertises the participation of illegal aliens ought to be raided, and the illegal aliens deported," Mark Krikorian of CIS told the Miami Herald.

At a Chicago rally, where members of the white-supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens and the neo-Nazi White Revolution appeared along with members of mainstream anti-immigration groups, protesters held signs saying, "No more free rides. No more welfare. No more stolen jobs."

This is where I need to interject ...The first highlighted paragraph 'is' in fact what I posted in my after Freep report

For many of the anti-immigration protesters, rallying side-by-side with neo-Nazis and Klansmen was too close for comfort. "Turns out we were smack in the middle of a damn white supremacist group!" an anti-immigration activist calling erself "JustPiper" complained on an Internet chat site after the Chicago counter-demonstration.

This is obviosuly what the DU troll rewrote from the rest of my report for me and sent it to SPLC

But what really got under JustPiper's skin seemed to be the Freedom Riders, not the neo-Nazis from White Revolution. "[T]hese banditos kept screaming obscenities and threats at us," she claimed. "Lemme tellya, they were just coming with signs like cockroaches!"

I've posted thousands of replies and articles here and never have I said something so idiotic or silly like this. I have made a derogatory remark about illegals offhanded saying they were reproducing like some creature. And yes I posted they were yelling threats and obsecenities at my daughter and I. But we stayed silent holding our poster's in front of us. Also we left the group when a federal agent (This was in front of the Federal Building)told us we were standing by white supremacist's which means now both side's were scaring us and we went to stand with some police officer's who knew our dual plight. So people firsthand I am feeling the sting and I will not back down from the illegal immigrant issue!

Now onto links:

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Contact your local media and the following of your choice:

ABC NEWS
BOSTON GLOBE
CBS
CHICAGO SUN-TIMES
FOX NEWS
NY TIMES
USA TODAY
WASHINGTON TIMES
WORLD NET DAILY

LOU DOBBS -EXPORTING AMERICA

Scarborough Country

MICHELLE MALKIN

PAT BUCHANAN

[WestCoastGal]

Here's one I posted on our other thread.....but needs repeating here.


Posted by WestCoastGal
On News/Activism 02/07/2004 9:21:34 AM PST #611 of 707

Here's a good one re: Canadian border problems, if this Gutierrez can get in that way so can AQ!!!!

Sat, February 7, 2004


Border hop Chen's brainchild: witness

Had to get to U.S.

By DAVID SCHMEICHEL, COURTS REPORTER




If at first you don't succeed ... try again. That's the advice immigration lawyer Ingrid Chen is alleged to have given to a client after airport customs officers refused him entry into the United States, court heard yesterday.

Ferdinand "Dean" Guiterrez, 32, testified yesterday that he sought Chen's help in getting back to California, where he was working as a computer analyst on a temporary visa. He was denied entry because he was caught lying to airport officials about the nature of his trip. He only did so "to make a long story short," he claimed.

SIGNIFICANT WAITING TIME

Chen came up with a number of ways to help, but none of them would get Guiterrez back in time to suit his employer, he said.

"All of them involved a significant amount of waiting time, which wasn't really going to work for me," said Guiterrez, who testified yesterday via a satellite link from California.

Guiterrez suggested driving over the border and flying home from North Dakota. Chen latched on to the idea, court heard.

"She said she knew some people who could get me across without going through the actual checkpoint," he said. "To me that sounded like a good idea."

After paying Chen............

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/WinnipegSun/News/2004/02/07/338774.html

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[JustPiper]

CRIME VICTIMS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS

There is an enormous number of Americans who have been harmed by the criminals who pass through the nation's open borders. For that reason, this section can only provide a symbolic tribute to the many unnamed victims who have been killed, raped, robbed, crippled and otherwise personally violated.

It is particularly shocking that even in post-911 America, the government still refuses to protect the people in the most basic ways from the world's terrorists and criminals who enter at will to do as they please. The borders remain a sieve while the human carnage from crime perpetrated from illegal aliens continues to mount. In another stunner of INS malfeasance, the agency often cannot even manage to deport dangerous criminal aliens when they reach the ends of their prison terms.

Bump for this very important link!

Crime Victims of Illegal Aliens
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.html

[JustPiper]

Printed on each sticker: America=English

There we go, one fun solution hey?

[JustPiper]

THIS - US Representative Luis Gutierrez is a thorn in our side in Chicago!

Gutierrez Urges President Bush and Republicans in the House and Senate to support the permanent extension of 245i

Washington, D.C.- On October 10, 2003 Rep Gutierrez, Rep Menedez, Members of the Democratic Task Force on Immigration, and three Chicago natives joined to call for the full permanent restoration of 245i.
Read the speech .

http://luisgutierrez.house.gov/


Gutierrez joins 1st Delegation ever to look into the murders of hundreds of young women

Ciudad Juarez, Mexico - Rep Luis Gutierrez joined Congressional Hispanic Caucus Members and Alderman Solis in a trip to Ciudad Juarez, Mexico.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

An illegal immigrant from El Salvador who was deported in August 1999 and sought for sexual offenses in California was apprehended after he once again illegally entered the United States, a U.S. Border Patrol spokesman said this morning.

Another job "Americans don't want to do"? Or is it "Family values don't stop at the Rio Bravo"? Maybe someone in government can educate me, I'm not sure what it is anymore.

[Oorang]

It is not a SW American problem. They are everywhere. I live in the Pacific NW and we are knee-deep in illegal immigrant problems. I go to North Carolina at least once a year, every year (I have family there). In the last few years I was blown away at how many immigrants (I assume the high percentage of illegals is there as well) mostly from south of our border are now in N.C. 15 years ago I would have been shocked to walk into any grocery store in N.C. and see a "mexican food section". Now, every store has that section.

It is truly all of American's problem and it is truly a problem.

[Happy2BMe]

Had our "immigration control" services been working properly, the Virginia snipers (both Muslims - both immigrants) would have never gotten off their first shots.

As it stands, if the borders were 100% sealed the second you read this, it would take the rest of our lifetimes to weed out just the criminal migrants, let alone those here illegally and not having any detecable crimes.

[Joe Hadenuf]

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement, and I am a conservative American who is horrified at the President's insistence on repopulating America with third worlders. His actions are not conservative.

I can't imagine anyone that thinks filling our country with millions of uneducated, unskilled, non-English speaking people is a good thing. Utter lunacy.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

As it stands, if the borders were 100% sealed the second you read this, it would take the rest of our lifetimes to weed out just the criminal migrants, let alone those here illegally and not having any detecable crimes.

India says it intends to deport 20 million illegal immigrants in short order. Maybe we should watch and see how they do it, could be our own government might learn something.

[swampfox98]

Iknow some bushbots know there is a problem but why are they not more open-minded and just read, actually read, the things that are printed everyday? Stats can bore people but what about all the true human horror and crime stories?

Because they know that Bush is set on this plan of open borders and uniting Mexico with America. and they know they can't do anything about it. They also know that a Democrat president would give instant citizenship to 12 million illegals, as Bush will eventually do, but the Democrats will get it done faster.

They also see that a Democrat win would drive a stake through the heart of what is left of America. Democrat appointed judges, no homeland security, more outlandish spending, and on and on.

Basically, the Republicans know America is headed for destruction, due to the more and more massive illegal immigration that is coming. They want to enjoy at least a few more relatively good years before the end. And they believe Bush can provide those relatively good years, and to heck with the pain and suffering of those whose lives have already been destroyed with illegal crime, etc.

[janetgreen]

In another case of justice denied, the murderer of Phoenix high school student Tanee Natividad merely crossed the border into Mexico to escape law enforcement. A local television station was able to track down the murderer in a bar just a few miles across the border without much effort.

Max LaMadrid has no reason to hide because the Mexican government actually helps violent criminals escape American justice. According to Arizona Attorney General Janet Napolitano, action by the Mexican supreme court making it more difficult to extradite criminals has "created an incentive for people to flee into Mexico as a safe harbor." At one time, Mexico would not extradite criminals who might be subject to the death penalty; the Mexican court recently extended this "protection" to any Mexican who might receive a life sentence, thereby giving a free pass to rapists, kidnappers and child molesters.

In fact, the investigating reporter found 100 cases of violent criminals from the Phoenix area escaping into Mexico in just the last few years. Meanwhile, the grieving family of 16-year-old Tanee gets no justice — like thousands of others in the southwest.

Another case file from www.immigrationshumancost.org. Our President won't do a thing to stop this assault on Americans.

[NewRomeTacitus]

"India says it intends to deport 20 million illegal immigrants"

How crappy does one's homeland have to be to want to live in India? This points up exactly why what we have left of America has to be defended. We can not save the world nor have the resources to attempt to. We certainly don't need people who prefer to cut and run in lieu of fixing what's wrong with their own countries.
This is not a nation of immigrants. It is a nation built by colonists and pioneers who shared a common trait: courage.

[NewRomeTacitus]

"Are you joining in Tennesseans for Tancredo?"

I'm urging everyone to write Mr. Tancredo in for the Primaries for the sole reason of raising a ruckus (and making the press work for us once). As the man has often said he doesn't want the job and urges us to support the President, come November I'll probably hold my nose to help insure a repeat of the Perot debacle doesn't occur.

But if the Democrat candidate comes up looking very weak I can't promise that. Someone's been swiping my future newspapers off the stoop and that's made decision-making more difficult (let alone stock-picking).

[Reaganwuzthebest]

This is not a nation of immigrants. It is a nation built by colonists and pioneers who shared a common trait: courage.

Well I'm not an immigrant but a great-grandchild of one. The "nation of immigrants" rhetoric is an excuse those who wish to invade us are using as their justification for doing so. In 1924 mass immigration was cut off partly for assimilation reasons, I'd say it's time for another one.

[Happy2BMe]

There has to be a reason America has survived this long.

It is hard to convince me our destiny was to be absorbed into South America.

[lainde]

bttt

[dougherty]

This is not a nation of immigrants. It is a nation built by colonists and pioneers who shared a common trait: courage.

Amen! That's the best line I've read around here in quite some time.

[JustPiper]

Thanks to MO I'm researching voting laws in my state...ran across an interesting forum, here are some remarks- CL, you need to get this word out on the Ill. board please?:

We don't need no stinking laws, we're Democrats.

Posted by: Howard Veit on January 10, 2004
Just wait: in November, GWB may not be on the ballot in Illinois, because the Repub convention (and therefore Bush's nomination) comes after the state deadline for filing. {{What?!?}}

And the Democrats (who run the People's Republic of Illinois) are not going to relax the rule, which means that GWB would have to be a write-in candidate.

Somewhere, that old {expletive} Richard Daley The Elder is peeing himself with laughter.

Posted by: Kim du Toit on January 10, 2004
There has been an attempt to wave Bush through, but the Donks attached legislation that would have waved fines for several state senators, all Donks, for violating election laws. The original Sun-Times article seems to be gone, but I copied some of it here.

Posted by: Jason on January 10, 2004
Perhaps it's time to give the donks a taste of their own back? If I were a part of the Bush Administration you can bet your {expletive} I'd suggest they look into suing the state of Illinois in the SCOTUS for violation of the voting rights act and anything else I can think of for not including GWB on the ticket and giving the voters of Illinois a "real choice" come election time. Yep, imagine the howls when the Administration's solicitor cites the decision in New Jersey as precedent. I'm almost looking forward to it.

Posted by: Robert Modean on January 11, 2004
Were Illinois a key state for Bush's re-election bid, the Democrats' effort to keep him off the ballot would be critical. As is, the negative publicity the party will get in media outlets in the state that are also picked up in neighboring states of Wisconsin and Iowa will make things even tougher for the eventual Democratic nominee in both places, which were won narrowly by Gore in 2000 and which any Democrat desperatel needs to retain to have a chance in 2004.

Posted by: John on January 11, 2004
I think it can be a smart move on the part of the GOP to have GWB excluded from the Illinois ballots. It would demonstrate that at least one party does actually follow the rules and would provide an endless amount of press for a write-in vote. {{This would work if Tancredo was on the ballot only???}}

It's not like GWB was going to overcome the Democratic political machines in Illinois anyway.
Posted by: charles austin on January 11, 2004

[JustPiper]

I thought John Malvo was an American converted muslim?

[JustPiper]

As the man has often said he doesn't want the job and urges us to support the President, come November I'll probably hold my nose to help insure a repeat of the Perot debacle doesn't occur.

This is my leaning also. I am going nuts trying to find the Illinois rules on write-in's. Mo said he found out it will not even count as a protest vote, just tossed in the trash, so I recommend everyone to find out their rules on this.