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Show me heaven
BBC News Online ^ | Monday, January 26, 2004 | By Amanda Hancox

Posted on 01/27/2004 9:35:43 AM PST by Momaw Nadon

As more and more people come forward with accounts of near-death experiences, new research is about to examine the out of body experience to see whether mind and body really do separate at the point of death.

It is only 30 years ago that the term near-death experience was coined. An American researcher, Raymond Moody, used it to describe the reports of a large number of people who, whilst apparently dead, had seen deceased relatives, tunnels of light, life reviews and felt an overwhelming sense of peace, before being resuscitated.

Recent studies have shown that one in 10 people who have had a cardiac arrest report an near-death experience (NDE). These experiences are reported across many cultures and religions. Some believe they offer a glimpse of an afterlife while others see them as the result of a dying brain.

In March Dr Sam Parnia and Professor Peter Fenwick will begin a year-long study, looking at patients who have had cardiac arrests to find out if they have had any experiences or memories whilst their heart stopped beating.

In particular they are interested in those who report an out-of-body experience (OBE), when the "experiencer" looks down on their body and surroundings from a height.

At Hammersmith Hospital and 12 other hospitals across the UK, symbols will be placed in strategic places so that only those who have an OBE will be able to see them.

"If these claims are verified" says Dr Sam Parnia, "then this will have a huge implication for science because what it would indicate for us is that our current understanding of mind, body and brain isn't sufficient and that it is possible for the mind/consciousness to separate from the brain at the end of life."

However, a similar but small scale study at Morriston Hospital, Swansea, last year was inconclusive. Over a five-year period eight out of 39 cardiac arrest patients had a NDE and of those only two had an OBE. Unfortunately, neither of them was in the right place to spot the symbols.

Evidence of the 'other side'

Penny Sartori, who conducted the research at Morriston Hospital, believes it is very easy for people to dismiss NDE as hallucinations.

"I documented 12 cases of people who had had hallucinations and I found that the hallucinations were very different from the NDE." Hallucinations tend to be random and non-specific whereas the NDEs follow a definite pattern and the reports are very clear and precise.

Professor Paul Badham, from the University of Wales, Lampeter, who helped oversee this study, believes these experiences are evidential for believing in heaven.

"People do describe a paradise or kind of environment, they do describe being met by a being of light who seems to know them, they often have a review of their past life. They often have a sense of passing self judgement on that kind of life that they have lived. So it does seem to me that many of the ingredients of a belief in heaven are present in the NDE and confirmed by it."

However, Professor Christopher French, who looks into paranormal experiences at Goldsmith College, London, is more sceptical. "Virtually all the aspects of the NDE have been reported in other contexts," he says.

The life review can be caused by the brain firing in unusual ways as a result of a lack of oxygen or too much carbon dioxide in the blood stream. Endorphins released during times of stress can create a sense of peace and the tunnel of light could reflect abnormal patterns of firing in the visual cortex.

"I think it will be a long time before we fully understand the NDE," says Professor French, "but it's an incredibly fascinating and profound experience for the people that have it and it would certainly be a mistake for science to close its eyes towards those kinds of experience.

"Potentially they can tell us an awful lot, not only about how the brain may operate at the kind of extremes but also about normal everyday consciousness and so, definitely, we ought to carry on studying these experiences and taking them seriously."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: afterlife; being; beingoflight; experience; heaven; life; lifeafterdeath; lifeafterlife; lifereview; light; nde; neardeathexperience; obe; outofbody; paradise; peace; research; soul; spirit; tunnel; tunneloflight
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To: dglang

Yes, it is fairly common for children to have OBE's.

21 posted on 01/27/2004 11:47:38 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Momaw Nadon
There was an elderly man at home, upstairs, dying in bed. He smelled the aroma of his favorite chocolate chip cookies baking. He wanted one last cookie before he died. led down the stairs and crawled into the kitchen where his wife was busily baking cookies.

With his last remaining strength he crawled to the table and was just barely able to lift his withered arm to the cookie sheet. As he grasped a warm, moist chocolate chip cookie, his favorite kind, his wife suddenly whacked his hand with a spatula.

Gasping for breath, he asked her, "Why did you do that?"

"Those are for the funeral."
That is so BAD! ;)
22 posted on 01/27/2004 11:53:23 AM PST by MaryFromMichigan (If a man says something in the woods and there are no women there, is he still wrong?)
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To: Consort

God is by definition beyond definition.

A man once saw the ocean. A friend asked him to descibe it to him. "Oh, the vastness! The waves! The roar!"

A frog from the ocean once fell into a well. There was another frog who lived its whole life inside the well. "Where did you come from," asked the well frog. "I came from the ocean," he replied. "And how big is this 'ocean'? Is it this big?" he asked, stretching out his little arms. "Oh, no. The ocean is much bigger." At that, the well frog asked, jumping from one edge of the well to the other, "Is the ocean this big, then?" to which the frog from the ocean replied, "No, the ocean is much bigger than this well." The other frog cried out, "That's impossible! Nothing can be bigger than this well!"

23 posted on 01/27/2004 11:55:48 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Scott Mahrle
But if the mind is not part of the physical world, then in what sense is it connected to one's body?

Maybe it's fundamentally "coupled" to the physical by particle exchanges with the universal primary vacuum (zero-point) field.

24 posted on 01/27/2004 1:05:18 PM PST by betty boop (God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world. -- Paul Dirac)
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To: smith288
My point is, to make such an assertion as "You arent going to heaven, your mind is whacked out is all," when huamnkind's knowledge of the universe is so incomplete regarding the realities of time, is, well, ridiculous.
25 posted on 01/27/2004 5:04:40 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: balrog666
Thanks for the ping!
26 posted on 01/27/2004 8:03:57 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: MHGinTN; betty boop
Here's a thought: all the research being done is based on electromagnetic data, and the conclusions therefore are based on the current (no pun intended) conceptualizatioon of electromagnetic energy; what if there is a temporal aspect to electromagnetic energy that we have yet to dofferentiate from a background reality of time?

and...

My point is, to make such an assertion as "You arent going to heaven, your mind is whacked out is all," when huamnkind's knowledge of the universe is so incomplete regarding the realities of time, is, well, ridiculous.

Great catch, MHGINTN!!!

For Lurkers interested in extra spatial and temporal dimensions: Geometric Physics


27 posted on 01/27/2004 8:11:45 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Momaw Nadon
I knew a man who had a heart attack and left his body, rose through the ceiling and into the air. He looked down and noticed a small street near his home that he had never known was there. He then appeared to be in some kind of waiting room with other people, but all the while could hear his wife praying for him. He soon found himself back in his body. When he was well enough, he went out and found the street that he had seen while out of his body.

Another thing to consider is why the visions would be of heaven, or relatives departed. Since the event is usually a surprise to the person, there is little to suggest what one should see. If it is just the mind reacting to physical conditions, why not a vision of a beach, or your last job? How could one control his vision during an unexpected event?
28 posted on 01/27/2004 8:26:25 PM PST by man of Yosemite ("When a man decides to do something everyday, that's about when he stops doing it.")
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To: Cultural Jihad
Excellent analogy.

We really can't define God or heaven!
29 posted on 01/28/2004 6:38:47 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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