Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles (thread 2) Daily Terror Threat

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[Mossad1967]

Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles

Link to Thread #1

[Calpernia]

I'm with Domestic Church on this one. I think she was the belly dancer.

[asb3pe]

Sean, you have to admit that at some point, MOST of us (excepting people like yourself who have devoted a significant portion of your waking hours to this terrorism threat) need to return to our "ordinary lives" and stop worrying so much and living in fear of the terrorists.

While I understand your "Ostrich" mode comment, I think you need to put yourself in the "common man's" shoes and understand that this "doom and gloom" cloak-and-dagger war of words has now gone on for so long that it is inevitable that most of us are going to throw in the towel (as I have) and say "If it happens, it happens, but I'm not going to worry about it and let it affect my life or lifestyle."

That's just my .02 cents worth, no disrespect intended Sean.

[Calpernia]

>>>Those directing the attack will have had their vaccinations, as will the families and important ones.

Egypt still vaccinates for smallpox.

[Cindy]

I think someone said Mr. Emerson was on Fox News.com yesterday. Maybe info/interview was posted. If not , FOX NEWS can be contacted for info.

FOX NEWS.com
http://www.foxnews.com

[FairOpinion]

"Egypt still vaccinates for smallpox."

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I didn't know that. Apparently they want to make sure their own population survives.

Maybe I can go there to get a smallpox vaccine -- I am just not keen on their hygiene

[Calpernia]

I get the impression from this article that Germany supplied the ME with Smallpox Vaccines. So can the human's vaccinated shed? Could they be carriers while immune?


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EB05Ak02.html

Middle East

A POLEMIC
Germany's leading role in arming Iraq
By Marc Erikson

Expurgated portions of Iraq's December 7 report to the UN Security Council show that German firms made up the bulk of suppliers for Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. What's galling is that German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and his minions have long known the facts, German intelligence services know them and have loads of information on what Saddam Hussein is hiding, and Schroeder nonetheless plays holier than thou to an easily manipulated, pacifist-inclined domestic audience.

If it's not the height of hypocrisy and opportunism, Schroeder's preemptive "no war. period" stance on Iraq and insistence on a "German Way" (Deutscher Weg) certainly come close. German Way? Haven't we heard that sort of talk before sometime, somewhere? But leave that be. It falls in the same category as Schroeder's former justice minister's comparison of US President George W Bush to Adolf Hitler in last summer's election campaign. Not only Schroeder and that unfortunate lady, but politicians elsewhere are of limited mental accountability when desperate about winning an election, and suffer lapses of speech and memory.

In 1991, Iraq fired dozens of Scud missiles at Israel and threatened to arm the missiles with poison-gas and biological warheads. Most of the contents of those warheads were made in Germany or made with the aid of German engineers and technology. In light of German history, can Herr Schroeder countenance the possibility of a future poison gas attack on Israel (or anyone else) facilitated by German know-how? Schroeder may not want to go to war. So be it. But he should regard it as his most solemn obligation to do his absolute damnedest to make sure that in the future "good Germans" don't once again stand there and say: "We didn't know."

Friedbert Pflueger, foreign policy spokesman of the main opposition Christian Democratic parties and an embittered critic of Schroeder's and Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer's Iraq policy, last Thursday accused the red-green coalition government of deliberately keeping the German and world public uninformed of BND (German foreign intelligence service) evidence and assessments on the continued existence of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction (WMDs). "If we trust our [intelligence] services, and I do, then we know that there exist weapons of mass destruction in Iraq," said Pflueger, and referred to a November 13, 2002, BND briefing of members of parliament's foreign affairs committee in which relevant information was disclosed. As a member of parliament, added Pflueger, he was bound by his secrecy oath not to pass on such information, but challenged Schroeder to make it public forthwith. This was necessary, he said, "so that Herr Schroeder cannot continue to spread the impression that the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is a figment of George W Bush's imagination". He said further that he would dearly like to know exactly how many different types of smallpox virus were in Iraq's possession as - during a November 13 budget committee meeting - Health Minister Ulla Schmidt had motivated her request for a several million euro allocation for the purchase of smallpox vaccine with reference to such Iraqi stocks. Well, Gerhard, why's your minister worried? Or do vaccine purchases fall into the category of economic stimulus for the pharmaceutical industry?

The reason the BND is well-informed of Iraqi WMD programs - nuclear, biological and chemical - is straightforward: since the early 1980s, it has monitored German exports of dual-use nuclear technologies, precursor chemicals for poison-gas weapons, and "pharmaceutical" products and equipment for biological weapons manufacture to the Middle East. Indeed, there are strong suspicions that it was a silent partner in a Hamburg front company, Water Engineering Trading or WET, which covered for and facilitated such exports. Chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix said in his January 27 report that tons of Iraqi chemical and biological agents and precursors were unaccounted for. Over the years, well over half of the precursor materials and a majority of the tools and know-how for their conversion into weapons were sold to Iraq by German firms - both prior to and after the 1991 Gulf War. The BND has the details.

In the summer of 1994, the BND conducted a major study to estimate the magnitude of the - as at that time - still undeclared and concealed Iraqi WMD arsenal, relying on sales records in its possession of post-Gulf War German, Austrian, and Swiss exports of technologies, sub-systems and strategic materials to Iraq. It concluded that these exports pointed to several specific weapons programs, ranging from ballistic missile upgrades to poison gas manufacture, which Iraq had not declared and UN inspectors were unaware of and hence, not surprisingly, had failed to discover. While the magnitude of the current (1994) Iraqi weapons program "is difficult to assess", said the BND, there is no doubt that "some of the material and equipment" has eluded discovery and certain projects "are being revived and run clandestinely".

In February 2001, the BND compiled a further report and intelligence chief August Hanning told Spiegel magazine that, "Since the end of the UN inspections [December 1998], we have determined a jump in procurement efforts by Iraq," adding that Saddam was rebuilding destroyed weapons facilities "partly based on the German industrial standard".

According to the report:

Iraq has resumed its nuclear program and may be capable of producing an atomic bomb in three years;

Iraq is developing its Al Samoud and Ababil 100/Al Fatah short-range rockets, which can deliver a 300kg payload 150km. Medium-range rockets capable of carrying a warhead 3,000km could be built by 2005 - far enough to reach Europe;

Iraq is capable of manufacturing solid rocket fuel;

A Delhi-based company, blacklisted by the German government because of its alleged role in weapons proliferation, has acted as a buyer on Iraq's behalf. Deliveries have been made via Malaysia and Dubai. Indian companies have copied German machine tools down to the smallest detail and such equipment has been installed in numerous chemicals projects. [Note that such Indian cooperation with Iraq is something of a tradition: during the Iran-Iraq war India delivered precursors for warfare agents to Iraq - and later was found to have delivered quantities of the same materials to Iran. Baghdad's middleman at the time, an Iraqi with a German passport, founded a company in Singapore expressly for this purpose.]

Since the departure of the UN inspectors, the number of Iraqi sites involved in chemicals production has increased from 20 to 80. Of that total, a quarter could be involved in weapons production.

The BND's warnings didn't stop with that report. In April 2001, Hanning told the Welt am Sonntag newspaper that Iraq was developing a new class of chemical weapons, reiterated his alert on Iraq's missile and nuclear programs, and said that several German companies had continued to deliver to Baghdad components needed for the production of poison gas. In March 2002, he told the New Yorker magazine that, "It is our estimate that Iraq will have an atomic bomb in three years." The German opposition parties' demand that the government make public what it knows is thus no irresponsible, idle, politically inspired chatter as the ruling Social Democrats and Greens charge. The irresponsible chatter and politicking is Herr Schroeder's.

Houston, Texas, attorney Gary Pitts announced late last December that his firm, Pitts and Associates, would soon launch a class action suit on behalf of more than 3,000 sick Gulf War veterans against dozens of European companies accused of helping arm Iraq with weapons of mass destruction. Pitts said he had received a list of 56 international suppliers of equipment and raw materials necessary to make sarin, VX, mustard gas and other chemical agents from the Iraqi government. The list, brought back from Iraq by former weapons inspector Scott Ritter last September, proves identical to one included in a 1998 Iraqi chemical weapons declaration to the UN, resubmitted unchanged on December 7 and withheld from publication by the inspectors - along with other items - for reasons of "sensitivity". Withheld as well is a list of Iraqi nuclear technology suppliers originally contained in a 1996 declaration and also resubmitted on December 7. That nuclear weapons production details on uranium enrichment, detonation, implosion testing and warhead construction contained in Iraq's declarations should be withheld from all but the five permanent UN Security Council members may have some justification. That lists of suppliers for nuclear, chemical and biological weapons components are being withheld makes sense only if the UN inspectors want to save supplier countries and firms from embarrassment - precisely the embarrassment they should be exposed to to forestall future deliveries.

The list in Iraq's 1998/current chemical weapons declaration contains 31 "major suppliers", 14 from Germany. The 1996/current nuclear suppliers list has 62 company names on it, 33 from Germany. As Iraq claims that since 1991 it has not engaged in WMD production, the lists name no post-Gulf War suppliers. Call it old news. So much the sillier that the UN refuses to make them public. But since the BND claims that deliveries did not stop at the end of the Gulf War as well as simply as a matter of record of German complicity in arming Iraq, the issue remains an urgent current concern.

Leading the honor roll of chemical agents and production equipment suppliers (in this case nerve gas precursors and manufacturing) to Iraq is the German firm Preussag, now a subsidiary of Europe's largest travel agent and tour operator TUI - happy holidays! And Preussag has long been a firm dear to Schroeder's heart. In early 1998, when Schroeder was running for re-election as prime minister of the state of Lower Saxony which he had governed for eight years, he had the state buy 51 percent of Preussag's troubled steel division to the tune of US$500 million, claiming that 12,000 jobs were at stake. It was a characteristic Schroeder move: he knew that the Social Democrats would appoint him chancellor's candidate if he won in Lower Saxony. Win he did - first in Hannover, later in 1998 at the federal level to become chancellor. What did he know about the Preussag conglomerate's Iraq poison gas dealings? Don't ask.

Included on the Iraqi suppliers' lists are other world-renowned (eg, Hoechst, Daimler-Benz, Siemens, Kloeckner, Carl Zeiss, Schott Glas, etc) and smaller German firms. Notable are Karl Kolb/Pilot Plant and WTB (Walter Thosti Boswau) who built and equipped Iraq's two major "pesticide and detergent" plants which, said a WTB employee, produce "detergents to exterminate two-legged flies" (Spiegel 4/1989, p 24). The WTB undertaking was supported by a credit guarantee for several hundred million German marks by Hermes, a German government export and credit insurer. Noteworthy also is Rhein-Bayern, which supplied Iraq with eight mobile toxicological labs housed in sand-colored, camouflage-painted Magirus trucks.

Chemical agents? Biological agents? Machine tools and parts and materials for uranium enrichment and missile production? You name them and the Germans delivered them - and not only that: they supplied the plants and know-how for Iraq to make its own "pesticides" ("to protect the date harvest"), "vaccines" ("to eradicate smallpox and other contagious diseases"), and "x-ray machines".

Karl Kolb told investigative reporters following up the Pitts and Associates law suit that it has done business with Iraq for 35 years, but had no connection to its weapons programs. Preussag claimed that accusations it had supplied precursor chemicals for Iraqi weapons were untrue. Schott Glas said it was "a manufacturer of glass and glass components, not of weapons".

If Herr Schroeder had his way, one assumes, then that's where things would end. Happily, with some nasty American trial lawyers on the case, that's unlikely. And happily, though he tried once more in advance of last Sunday's state elections in Lower Saxony and Hesse to rally Germans to his party's cause with anti-Iraq war rhetoric, Schroeder was dealt a humiliating defeat in both states. He should have bought re-privatized Preussag once again. Even the most gullible of German voters saw through his miserable Iraq-war ploy this time around, blamed him for over 10 percent unemployment, and threw his candidates and party into the trash bin.

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[appalachian_dweller]

>> collective effect of crying wolf <<

I don't see how Sean has been crying wolf. He has just been reporting what he has found and I for one am glad to have that information. Making yourself aware of a threat is only prudent, whether is a suspicious guy hanging around an ATM or some terrorist scum posting threats.

I'd rather be aware of the threats and I am thankful for freepers like Sean and others on this thread for taking the time to collect the information. If your tired of hearing about these threats, maybe you should stop visiting this thread.

The discussions on this thread have been very calming for me and have helped me to identify holes in my preparations and plans.

Yes I did say calming. Now that I know of what MAY happen, I've made preparations for those events. With those preps made, I calmly go about the business of living but continually monitor the new incoming threats.

[Calpernia]

This site was only still left as cache it seems Smallpox Vaccines have been always available in the Middle East.


HEALTH REQUIREMENTS
Valid certificate for yellow fever is required if arriving from a country where the disease is endemic.
Smallpox vaccines are being withdrawn in some countries and certificates are not required
except when travelling from an infected area. Children under one year old are exempt.
Vaccinations are available 24 hours at Bahrain International Airport.

Smallpox Vaccines have been always available in the Middle East.

[Cindy]

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[Cindy]

Thank you LayOutGuru2 for posting those images.

[StillProud2BeFree]

Smallpox vaccines were routinely given as part of infant immunizations in Cairo in the late 1980's. I've got living proof sitting on the couch watching TV :)

They didn't use live smallpox virus for the vaccines so there wasn't any danger of creating a human carrier state. I will have to research the virus they used - it was related but was attenuated (weakened) so it was safe in people who were not immunocompromised.

Want to read an interesting article? http://www.foundationforhealthchoice.com/articlerandall.html

[Calpernia]

BUMP!

Question Rutless4Ever.

Ever stop and think for a moment that some of the things that HAVE been reported here DIDN'T happen because people like Sean were watching and reporting?

The things that were stopped, won't be reported in detail by authorities. I will vouch for Sean for what it's worth to you. I happen to know a few things that were being worked on. Sean wasn't nor hasn't been crying wolf.

And guess what else? Quite of few of the freepers that have contributed here helped with stopping a few things to.

Unfortunately, many of them will never know it.

[Calpernia]

Ok, I will read that in a second.

NOW, the vaccines that were provided by Germany, could they have been live virii? What if the vaccines were changed over the years from dead to live?

[Cindy]

Sounds like the same type of ideology.

[Victorious]

I hear ya! If I'm gonna get bitten by a snake, I'd rather see the snake first and get out of the way!
Last summer I went to gather eggs from the chicken coop, it was dark in there and I went to reach my hand in the nest box and at the last second, I saw a big ole black snake curled up in there looking at me! I surely am glad I saw him before I reached in. I sure made a sight screaming and running out of the chicken coop!
Anyway, that's the way I have felt all along about these terrorist threats. 5 years ago, I learned the prophecies of Dumitru Duduman and David Wilkerson and Henry Gruver and ever since that time, I've been watching the news and getting prepared. I'd rather see it coming even if the time frame comes to pass and nothing happens I'll just thank God He has been merciful and given America a little more time to wake up and repent.

[Sean Osborne Lomax]

Right, that is understood completely.

By the same token if what we report becomes old and bothersome and the ostrich mode looks much more appealing then I would expect ad hominem personal attacks be better left unspoken/unposted (ie: Lurk mode being synonymous with ostrich mode).

This not for everybody, just some.

I would not generalize and say "MOST" or even "most", but based upon what I have heard there are a LOT MORE PEOPLE who want to be informed than not. That's why I continue, God give me strength, that IS why I continue.

Additionally, not just a few of the folks requesting more information, not less, sooner rather than later, are in local, state and federal law enforcement. These people also run the spectrum from soccer mom's to nascar dad's. Blue collar, white collar and everyone inbetween. They're not just people from the USA, they're from all over the world.
These are the folks we're here for.

To those would would rather not be bothered, hey, that's cool. I understand. Surf elsewhere.

But, when unsettling things are being reported in the media and you get a hankering to know what is really going on, come on back, we'll be here in these forums/threads and at several of the sites we link from homelandsecurityus.com and we'll have the best information we can get our hands on.

That's a promise.

[txhurl]

Really? Then the FBI and CIA need to make a donation! :)

[Calpernia]

Huh. And this is what was brought here last year with those exotic pets that were smuggled in:

A variant of the smallpox virus may still be alive and active in the world, causing human disease and deaths. The claim that smallpox has been eliminated is contradicted by numerous reports of pox virus transmission in Africa today. This disease has been named human monkeypox because the virus resembles a pox virus found in captive monkeys in 1958 (Mukinda et al., 1996). Human monkeypox exists in rainforest villages of central and western Africa, where it is readily transferred through person-to-person contact. It causes the same symptoms as smallpox, and differs from smallpox virus only in its protein structure, a difference of a few nucleotide sequences. Up until the 1960s it was not possible to differentiate the various pox viruses, but since that time cases that would have been labeled as smallpox are now labeled monkeypox or camelpox depending on their DNA structure.

[appalachian_dweller]

Yep. PRAY for the best, PREPARE for the worst.

I know people who won't even talk about these threats much less spend a couple of bucks and couple of hours preparing for them. Maybe they just can't handle it, maybe they think the gov't will take care fo them. Either way I see it as foolhardy.

I have a feeling these are the same people who will cry the loudest for help if anything does happen. Kind of like the ant an the grasshopper.

[LayoutGuru2]

Here is an interesting one uploaded Jan 29, 2004.

http://www.d-sunnah.com/files/u1/up/Mahdi%20Birth.jpg