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Poll: Will Bush's proposal to grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens affect your vote?
CitizensLobby.com ^ | 1/9/2004 | CitizensLobby

Posted on 01/09/2004 6:33:02 AM PST by YoungKentuckyConservative

Will President Bush's proposal to grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens affect your vote in the 2004 presidential election?

"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government." ---George Washington, 1793


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; aliens; amnesty; bush; bushisclinton; bushisliberal; election; gopnotconservative; illegal; immigration; poll
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To: Owen
why would alleged conservatives be looking to government to solve immigration issues

Please stop now. I've heard some absurd and embarrassing arguments defending this initiative, but this takes the prize. Border protection and immigration control are one of the few legitimate constitutional responsibilities of the federal government.

If you want to defend Bush and this initiative, fine, but please use honest arguments.

As far as others' suggestions on this thread that all who have expressed disapproval of this immigration farce are simply DU disruptors, then I guess DU disruptors have taken over the conservative media as well: National Review, Laura Ingraham and even Rush Limbaugh -- to name but a few -- have now been possessed by the Democratic devil.

FR used to be a place for reasoned discussion of federal, political and constitutional issues, not a dewey-eyed, paranoid fan club organized to defend every action of a man who is above all, a politician, and a damned good one at that.

Let's stay in the reality zone.

81 posted on 01/09/2004 9:07:37 AM PST by browardchad
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To: gatorbait
Obviously I did and you bit;just like the carp you are.

Oh yes, you are the Master Baiter, aren't you? Blackbird.

82 posted on 01/09/2004 9:16:55 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: BlackbirdSST
Oh yes, you are the Master Baiter, aren't you? Blackbird.

You have the debating skills and the wit of a thirteen year old.Your maturity is astounding.

83 posted on 01/09/2004 9:19:02 AM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: metesky
YKC, what do you call it when a foreign nation attacks your borders, steals from the national treasury, infiltrates the mechanism of free elections and threatens our sovereignty. I call that war too. BTW, I am referring to Mexico.
84 posted on 01/09/2004 9:25:21 AM PST by strongbow
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To: ShandaLear
What's wrong with using the primary process to send GWB a message? If we write in Tancredo, the news media will pick it up like a starving dog being thrown a bone. Even if only ten percent of the Republican vote goes that way, Bush's re-nomination is completely assured, even if Tancredo asks people not to do this, he gets face time on TV to discuss his positions.

If we have to embarrass the President to make our point, so be it. I would have liked to have embarrassed his father on the "read my lips, no new taxes" flip-flop back in 1992.

85 posted on 01/09/2004 9:26:41 AM PST by hunter112 (If you live in a primary state, write in Tancredo until Bush dumps the wetback bill!)
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To: gatorbait
You have the debating skills and the wit of a thirteen year old.Your maturity is astounding.

So stay on the attack. You've offered NOTHING to debate. Typical. Later troll. Blackbird.

86 posted on 01/09/2004 9:29:36 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: deport
Has any legislation regarding Immigration reform been written or even undertaken by Congress as of this date?

S.1387

87 posted on 01/09/2004 9:35:41 AM PST by michigander
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To: BlackbirdSST
You've offered NOTHING

This would be you. Dishonest and a name caller. I stand by my statement about your debating skills and maturity. You continue to verify them.

88 posted on 01/09/2004 9:42:39 AM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: strongbow
Although I basically agree that our immigration problem is "war by other means", I really think the shooting war is of the utmost importance.

I certainly don't want to be inundated with people that have not only arrived here illegally, but don't believe in our founding documents as we do.

Meantime, I think this is all election year maneuvering by W, intended to smoke the 'Rats from their holes, forcing them further left.

89 posted on 01/09/2004 9:44:07 AM PST by metesky ("But Dad, it's only a wooden horse." - Paris of Troy)
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To: browardchad
why would alleged conservatives be looking to government to solve immigration issues

Please stop now. I've heard some absurd and embarrassing arguments defending this initiative, but this takes the prize. Border protection and immigration control are one of the few legitimate constitutional responsibilities of the federal government.

But as I clearly and explicitly said, it is a fundamentally philosophical issue and not Constitution relevant. The issue is extremism in conservatism and this is a concept that pursues purity. A pure conservative would not be looking to the government to solve problems. Those who are cannot be pure conservatives. They are, instead, people who look to Big Brother to create a society they prefer.

90 posted on 01/09/2004 9:45:58 AM PST by Owen
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To: michigander
Thanks..... and the following..... so there are a couple of bills that Congress has that may begin to move in the committees......

H.R. 3534 ..Border Enforcement and Revolving Employment to Assist Laborers Act of 2003 by Tancredo

91 posted on 01/09/2004 9:46:26 AM PST by deport (..... DONATE TO FREEREPUBLIC......)
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To: justanotherfreeper
But this tears it for me. I can't support him. As for the judges -- well, it's not like the spinless jerks in the Senate have gotten us any judges anyway. If the Republicans in the Senate are spineless, they will not have the courage to obstruct the Democrat nominees to the USSC. Your statement leads to that conclusion, if you pursue your plan to elect a Democrat.
92 posted on 01/09/2004 9:49:03 AM PST by Owen
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To: gatorbait
Too many single issue types here.

This is just the latest "single issue".

93 posted on 01/09/2004 10:01:19 AM PST by carenot (Proud member of The Flying Skillet Brigade)
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To: YoungKentuckyConservative
does answering YES on this poll presume that his policy makes me LESS likely to vote for Bush.

This announcement does affect my vote, it makes me MORE likely to vote for Bush.
94 posted on 01/09/2004 10:06:37 AM PST by babble-on (on line polls aren't worth the paper they're printed on)
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To: justanotherfreeper
I supported Bush when he was passing the "No Child Left Behind" expansion of the federal education bureaucracy because I understood he was doing it for political reasons. Besides, it was important for Bush to be able to appoint judges.

I supported Bush when he signed the "Campaign Finance Refom" bill, gutting the first amendment, because I understood he was doing it for political reasons. Besides, it was important for Bush to be able to appoint judges.

I supported Bush when he pushed for the greatest expansion of Medicare since it's inception in 1964 because he was doing it for political reasons. Besides, it was important for Bush to be able to appoint judges.

But this tears it for me. I can't support him. As for the judges -- well, it's not like the spinless jerks in the Senate have gotten us any judges anyway.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Oh, and don't forget his support for the "Assault Weapons" Ban.
95 posted on 01/09/2004 10:10:13 AM PST by Scutter
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To: YoungKentuckyConservative
Will President Bush's proposal to grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens affect your vote in the 2004 presidential election?

Yes. This issue was the last straw in a long list of issues Bush has parted ways with me on. When he signs the "Assault Weapons" Ban it will make me even more an opponent of his.

I will also work against Republican members of Congress in my area who go along with Bush's madness just as legions of Republicans blinded by loyalty to the man over loyalty to principle go along with him.

96 posted on 01/09/2004 10:13:41 AM PST by StoneColdGOP (McClintock - In Your Heart, You Know He's Right)
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To: YoungKentuckyConservative
Bush is the only game in town, so as frustrating as his concessions are, the alternatives are all worse.
I will cast a vote for Bush, which is different than a vote 'for' him. It's more a vote against the alterntives.
Consider my vote a damage control measure.
97 posted on 01/09/2004 10:25:41 AM PST by SolutionsOnly
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To: BlackbirdSST
***"Then don't complain when your grocery bill doubles or triples."***

Policy by grocery prices! What a concept!
98 posted on 01/09/2004 10:27:38 AM PST by SolutionsOnly
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To: carenot
Too many single issue types here. This is just the latest "single issue

Perhaps so.What part of Texas are you in? I was living in ElPaso in 1965 when the Bracero program was ended .At the time, a lot of this was forecast and it looks like it is finally being addressed. Let's get on it with our Congressional delegations.We can make this thing work right.We cannot afford to give in to knee jerk hysteria.

99 posted on 01/09/2004 10:27:40 AM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: gatorbait
BRAVO, BRAVO, B-R-A-V-O and a standing ovation !
100 posted on 01/09/2004 1:24:52 PM PST by nopardons
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