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Bring it on, Cheeseheads!
Philly.com ^ | Jan. 05, 2004 | WILLIAM BUNCH

Posted on 01/08/2004 8:12:25 AM PST by wisconsinconservative

Bring it on, Cheeseheads!

We love Brett, hate the Packers

By WILLIAM BUNCH bunchw@phillynews.com

AP

The always dangerous Brett Favre

LOVE the man. Hate the town.

OK, let's drop the atty-tude for about 10 seconds, and give some props to Green Bay Packers' QB Brett Favre. All of America - yes, even us - loves the spunk of this future Hall of Famer and his Hollywood-ready saga.

It was Favre - in case you've been living in a spider hole outside of Mosul recently - who took the field 24 hours after learning that his mentor father had died of a heart attack, and had the game of his life, launching an improbable playoff drive that seems guided by a higher power.

And so, truth be told, we spent the last week praying that we'd be sitting here last night writing a hater's guide to Dallas (Michael Irvin, Jerry Jones, Lee Harvey Oswald) or Seattle (Microsoft and Starbucks - too easy!) - anybody but Green Bay.

But then we remembered something else from Green Bay, that "winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." And in the National Football League, to win on Sunday is to hate.

And so we hate Green Bay.

Vince Lombardi would have wanted it that way.

It's not like it's hard to find reasons.

It's too small

Let's be honest here. Green Bay is the nation's 69th-largest TV market, and we were stunned to learn it was even that large.

Green Bay, Wis., doesn't deserve a professional sports franchise any more than our own beloved neighborhood of Frankford or Pottsville or Pottstown or wherever the heck that place is that Gov. Rendell was trying to get the 1925 NFL title restored when he was supposed to be passing the state budget.

So why do 70,000 cheese-headed folks - 70 percent of the town (don't call it a city - pul-leeez) - show up at Lambeau Field on any given Sunday? Why has pro football succeeded here and failed in places with a few more folks, like, say, Los Angeles?

It's not because

the people are made of

hearty midwestern stock. It's because THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE TO DO THERE!!!

Well, actually, there's one other thing to do in Green Bay - drink. Under the heading of "Entertainment," the Green Bay Press-Gazette's Web site doesn't have "Nightlife" but there's a massive section for "Taverns" - as if there's a difference between the Buck Stop Inn and the creatively named Watering Hole Tavern.

You're certainly better off drinking than eating. The "Restaurant" section lists all nine of Green Bay's Taco Bells under the heading "ethnic."

Splinter-free!

Indeed, there's only one other thing besides football that Green Bay is famous for. We'll give you a hint: It's still manufactured here by the Quilted Northern division of Georgia-Pacific, whose slogan is: "We Make the Things That Make You Feel at Home."

That's a polite way of saying: "We Make Toilet Paper!"

Yes, Green Bay actually bills itself as "the toilet paper capital of the world," although for some reason Green Bay's Web site is called titletown.org and not worldtoiletpapercapital.org.

I guess we should be grateful, since Green Bay claims that Quilted Northern made the first TP that was "splinter free." But then the Packers won't be needing Quilted Northern after they get wiped by the Eagles at the Linc this Sunday.

No Warren Buffets here

There's a sucker born every minute - in Green Bay. Somehow, civic leaders duped citizens into owning the team without reaping any benefits. A total of 4,748,910 shares is owned by 111,507 stockholders - none of whom receives any dividend on the initial investment despite the millions of dollars of TV cash that's pumped into the franchise every year.

And you thought Sun Microsystems was a bad investment!

Reggie, what happened?

But then there's something about wind chills of minus-40 that can make people act a little loopy. Consider all-time NFL sack leader Reggie White, who was beloved during his seven seasons with the Eagles for his ferocity on the field as well as his godliness off field.

Then he goes and signs a $17 million deal with the Packers, and the next you know he's standing before the Wisconsin Legislature blasting gays for comparing their plight to that of blacks and adding: "We allow rampant sin, including homosexuality and lying, and because it has run rampant in our nation, our nation is in the condition it is today."

White was promptly dropped as pitchman for Campbell's - which probably spared him from a career-threatening injury like those suffered by every other Chunky Soup endorser.

Holier than thou

The funny thing is that if White wanted to find "rampant sin," he needed only to look down the row of lockers at the Packers' All-Star tight end, Mark Chmura. The ultra-conservative Chmura refused to go to Bill Clinton's White House with his Super Bowl winning squad in 1997 and said later of the Monica Lewinsky affair: "I look like a genius now. I knew it all along."

But in 2000, Chmura - who was 31 at the time - didn't look like much of a genius when he was charged with raping his family's 17-year-old babysitter in a bathroom at a hot-tub-soaked party after Waukesha Catholic Memorial High School's spring prom.

Chmura was acquitted but conceded his "immature" behavior was "something a married man shouldn't do."

We knew it all along.

Frozen tundra, hah!

Most of the Green Bay football myth is exactly that - myth. Take Lambeau Field's legendary "frozen tundra," a clever turn-of-phrase phrase made famous by - you guessed it - a Philadelphian, legendary NFL Films' voice John Facenda.

It turns out that not only is the playing field at Lambeau not tundra (duh), it's not even frozen! Alleged tough guy Lombardi had electric heating coils installed underneath so players like pretty boy Paul Hornung wouldn't get hurt. And the Packers practice indoors for most of the season.

What a bunch of wimps.

St. Vince

Even Lombardi himself wasn't really all that. Yeah, yeah, five NFL titles, never had a losing season, rest stop on the New Jersey Turnpike. But as you might guess for someone who thought winning was "the only thing," there were times when expediency won out - a cheating scandal when he was assistant coach at Army, and when he welcomed back prodigal son Hornung after the Packers star was suspended in 1963 for betting on Green Bay. (Ask Pete Rose what he thinks of that.)

And he did have losing seasons on the playing field of life, where his total devotion to football caused him to ignore his wife's growing drinking problem and to rarely be there for his kids.

So if you're scared about facing the vaunted "Pack" on Sunday, just remember the biggest loss of Lombardi's coaching career. It came in 1960.

At Franklin Field, in the NFL championship game.

17-13, Eagles.

Godspeed, Brett Favre. And good luck... next year.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: brettfavre; cheeseheads; eagles; frozentundra; greenbaypackers; packers; vincelombardi
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To: LouD
Many cheapseaters for every team are just thugs. I remember the glory days of the blue-seaters at Rangers games (IMHO the Rangers could have used some of those guys, they had heart and could fight two things you couldn't say about the team), Philly's 700 club are probably the worst of the bunch but I think the main body of the fans get a bad rap because of their region's cheapseaters. About the only cheapseaters I can think of that aren't thugs are the Cubs Bleacher Bums and that's only because Bums aren't willing to put the energy into it to become thugs.
61 posted on 01/08/2004 9:54:14 AM PST by discostu (and the tenor sax is blowing its nose)
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To: wisconsinconservative
I spent a couple years of my life living near the City of Brotherly Love. About 15 years ago I had an opportunity to go to a game at the Vet between the Steelers and the Eagles - as a neutral fan. I only remember 2 things about that experience. The Eagle fans and my vow to never return.

Lando

62 posted on 01/08/2004 9:56:49 AM PST by Lando Lincoln (The Vermin had vermin)
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To: wisconsinconservative
Funny read.

"There's a sucker born every minute - in Green Bay."

They must have one heck of a death rate to keep the population at 70,000.

Good luck Geen Bay!

this year

63 posted on 01/08/2004 9:57:00 AM PST by G.Mason (I won't call them Nazis until the second revolution begins)
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To: Owl_Eagle
One thing's for sure though, win or lose, we won't be shooting and then stringing up our coach's dog in his driveway... unlike the fans of another team...

What team was that?

64 posted on 01/08/2004 9:58:48 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: G.Mason
Hey Are You a George Mason Grad.?
65 posted on 01/08/2004 9:59:40 AM PST by maineman
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To: Dog; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Bump to another Eagles fan...
66 posted on 01/08/2004 10:01:55 AM PST by cgk (Kraut, 1989: We must brace ourselves for disquisitions on peer pressure, adolescent anomie & rage.)
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To: #3Fan
There are several versions of the story, but Dan Devine's dog was shot and killed just before he was fired from the Green Bay Packers. In their long and storied history, the Packers have had only 13 head coaches.

Lando

67 posted on 01/08/2004 10:03:10 AM PST by Lando Lincoln (The Vermin had vermin)
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To: Lando Lincoln
as a neutral fan. I only remember 2 things about that experience. The Eagle fans and my vow to never return

That pretty much sums up my experience, except I gave them a second chance before I vowed never to return. I should have learned my lesson just walking through the parking lot, with fans publicly urinating and ignoring the families walking by.

68 posted on 01/08/2004 10:06:44 AM PST by LouD
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To: Solson
if they allow Green to run for 192, the Eagles will lose.

We didn't last time...

69 posted on 01/08/2004 10:07:15 AM PST by Dog (Bin Laden turns up dead or captured in '04!!)
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To: RabidBartender; Catspaw; brewcrew
Wow, is Philly the a-hole capital of the world or what? Someone clip that article for the Packers this Sunday.

Good idea. Going after Vince Lombardi? I won't say what I'm thinking. I like having an account here.

70 posted on 01/08/2004 10:08:46 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (GO PACKERS!)
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To: cyncooper
I don't know if you can call it "odd." Ok, so we drink a lot, mostly because beer here is dirt cheap. Friday night fish frys are fantastic. And kids get two Christmases, the other one on Dec. 6 for St. Nick.
71 posted on 01/08/2004 10:09:32 AM PST by July 4th (George W. Bush, Avenger of the Bones)
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To: Lando Lincoln
There are several versions of the story, but Dan Devine's dog was shot and killed just before he was fired from the Green Bay Packers. In their long and storied history, the Packers have had only 13 head coaches.

Recently? (Sorry, Dale Jr was in the points race all year this year and the Bears did crappy and so I didn't watch much football this year)

72 posted on 01/08/2004 10:10:40 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
No, the turd went after Marie Lombardi.
73 posted on 01/08/2004 10:10:56 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: LouD
I have never been to an Eagles game, but I'm guessing it's on par or worse than the Raiders game I went to. I saw an opposing fan get his head shoved in the toilet.
74 posted on 01/08/2004 10:11:01 AM PST by July 4th (George W. Bush, Avenger of the Bones)
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To: LouD
No, it's the gold chain/leather jacket/bad attitude ethnic stereotype which I saw demonstrated by way too many of my paisans, during the two years I lived in Philadelphia that I speak disparingly of.
 
I'm curious, where in South Philadelphia did you live?  I've lived here most of my life and I'd have to say that it's a mythological stereotype.  Maybe you lived in a neighborhood I'm not familiar with, but I doubt it.
 
Ultimately, even football is just a damned game;
 
True.
 
Are you saying you condone assaults against people for the offense of supporting a rival team?
 
No, I never said anything like that.  It is a predictable consequence, though, that in a crowd of 65,000, there's going to be someone who takes exception to rival colors and will make a comment.
 
Interestingly, as far as assaults go, a survey of the records of "Eagles Court" (which has now been shut down as it saw no cases in the first nine weeks of the year) showed that 92% of the people to appear before Judge McCafferty were from outside of the Delaware Valley.  Worst amongst the offenders were during Giants and Steelers games.  I don't think that is at all indicative of Giants or Steelers fans, but by your logic a select few represent the majority.
 
The worst violence I have ever personally seen actually occurred at Fed Ex field after a Dallas Redskins MNF game in the fall of 2000, where I saw a Cowboys fan kicked nearly to unconsciousness by a drunken Redskin fan.  Still, I don't let that one incident (or the time FedEx field security had to use tear gas to break up a fight between Dallas and Washington fans) convince me that all Redskins fans are thugs.  Truth is, I've only been to half a dozen Redskins games and just don't know enough to make a judgment.
 
What you're doing, in painting the entire group of Eagles fans as Neanderthal thugs, would be the same thing as me trying to paint all Packers fans as dog murdering, corpse mutilating, psycho paths or people who can't control themselves from running onto a baseball field and throwing a haymaker at Bill Spires, something I wouldn't do because I know how unlikely that would be.

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

75 posted on 01/08/2004 10:11:45 AM PST by End Times Sentinel (Fly Eagles Fly, On the Road to Victory! Fly Eagles Fly, Score a Touchdown One Two Three!)
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To: July 4th
No, I don't call it odd. I've lived in Wisconsin several times (back and forth, you know) and have family there. Will be up there for the 4th of July and hope to hit Summerfest, drink beer AND have a fishfry.

hehe
76 posted on 01/08/2004 10:13:15 AM PST by cyncooper ("The evil is in plain sight")
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To: #3Fan
One thing's for sure though, win or lose, we won't be shooting and then stringing up our coach's dog in his driveway... unlike the fans of another team... -Owl_Eagle

What team was that?-#3 Fan


In 1973 the Packers went 5-7-2 and the day after the season ended, Coach Dan Devine returned home from the stadium and found his pet dog shot and hanging by its neck in the driveway.

Some say a neighboring farmer shot the dog "accidentally" but it really doesn't explain the hanging part.

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

77 posted on 01/08/2004 10:16:09 AM PST by End Times Sentinel (Fly Eagles Fly, On the Road to Victory! Fly Eagles Fly, Score a Touchdown One Two Three!)
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To: Lando Lincoln; #3Fan; Owl_Eagle
Dan Devine himself denied that hostile fans killed his dog. The dog was chasing ducks on a neighbors farm, and the farmer accidentally shot him while trying to scare him off.

http://www.classicwisconsin.com/features/dandog.html
78 posted on 01/08/2004 10:16:15 AM PST by LouD
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To: #3Fan
I don't have the exact year in mind, but Devine was head coach in the early to mid-70's.

Lando

79 posted on 01/08/2004 10:18:01 AM PST by Lando Lincoln (The Vermin had vermin)
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To: #3Fan; Lando Lincoln
1974, did a search. I never watched the NFL until 1981. Before my time.
80 posted on 01/08/2004 10:19:25 AM PST by #3Fan
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