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"More than ever we need a new international order which draws on the experience and results of the United Nations," the 83-year-old pontiff said at a mass in St Peter's Basilica.

I respectfully disagree.

1 posted on 01/01/2004 5:55:35 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
Maybe it should be interpreted allegorically, than pretend he said something else altogether.
30 posted on 01/01/2004 6:56:27 AM PST by TwilightDog ("The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast"--Oscar Wilde)
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To: HAL9000
"Pope wants new international order to keep peace"

The words of a fool!
32 posted on 01/01/2004 7:00:47 AM PST by Dr. Marten (We no longer want your tired, poor and hungry.... NO VACANCIES until further notice!)
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I wouldn't believe anything that a major wire service said about the Pope or attributed to him or to 'the Vatican.' Even if the quotes and corrected on page 37 next week, what on earth was the entirecontext?

Maybe he was referring to the Kingdom of God, a New International Order that all Catholics are looking forward to.

33 posted on 01/01/2004 7:02:04 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: HAL9000
I now consider the Pope a threat to our national security.
38 posted on 01/01/2004 7:08:43 AM PST by tomahawk
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To: HAL9000
Dear Pope: You had better Think&Pray a lot harder before wishing for things such as this! There are some real bad guys out there just itching & twitching to have this door opened to them! Some things are just not needed; and this is one of them!
43 posted on 01/01/2004 7:13:07 AM PST by winker
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To: HAL9000
There already _is_ a "new international order" to "keep the peace".

It's known as The United States, and its influence is now being felt world-wide, even in places where it was presumed that influence could _never_ reach into.

The resulting peace will be the "Pax Americana".

Don't blame the Pope for some of his opinions, he's an aged and physically troubled man, years past his top powers. In the hindsight of history, Pope John Paul II will be recognized as one of the top five protectors of freedom of the 20th Century.

Cheers!
- John

44 posted on 01/01/2004 7:13:17 AM PST by Fishrrman
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To: HAL9000
Did he mean "order" as in holy order, or order as in new controlling authority of the world? Big difference. Maybe Reuters didn't get it quite right.
47 posted on 01/01/2004 7:18:17 AM PST by madison10
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To: HAL9000
"More than ever we need a new international order ...
An order which is capable of finding adequate solutions to today's problems"

Knee jerk reactions to the Vatican from FReepers are once again pathetically wrong. By saying that we need something new now more than ever, our Holy Father is telling the world that the current UN is screwed up and inadequate. That's the same thing our President said to the world when he led us in the preemptive invasion of Iraq.
48 posted on 01/01/2004 7:18:42 AM PST by reed_inthe_wind (That Hillary really knows how to internationalize my MOJO.)
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"More than ever we need a new international order which draws on the experience and results of the United Nations"
Okay, let's contrast the opening of the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution with the preamble of the UN's "Charter":

The Declaration of Independence

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ...

www.archives.gov/national_archives_experience/declaration_transcript.html


THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION

We the People of the United States, in Order to

do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html


www.un.org/aboutun/charter/

Charter of the United Nations

PREAMBLE

WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED

AND FOR THESE ENDS

HAVE RESOLVED TO COMBINE OUR EFFORTS TO ACCOMPLISH THESE AIMS

Accordingly, our respective Governments, through representatives assembled in the city of San Francisco, who have exhibited their full powers found to be in good and due form, have agreed to the present Charter of the United Nations and do hereby establish an international organization to be known as the United Nations.

WHICH documents instill confidence and inspire one to high goals and which one seems to have been drafted by a spineless, wishy-washy and godless commitee?
50 posted on 01/01/2004 7:18:51 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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More than ever we need a new international order which draws on the experience and results of the United Nations," the 83-year-old pontiff said at a mass in St Peter's Basilica...

"An order which is capable of finding adequate solutions to today's problems, based on the dignity of human beings, on integrating all society, on solidarity between rich and poor countries, on the sharing of resources and the extraordinary results of scientific and technological progress," he added.

And just how is the Pope proposing to enforce his idea of a non-sovereign, communistic utopia??

Quite frankly, this man is dangerous.

54 posted on 01/01/2004 7:21:25 AM PST by F16Fighter
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The Pope said, "More than ever we need a new international order which draws on the experience and results of the United Nations," the 83-year-old pontiff said at a mass in St Peter's Basilica.

"An order which is capable of finding adequate solutions to today's problems, based on the dignity of human beings, on integrating all society, on solidarity between rich and poor countries, on the sharing of resources and the extraordinary results of scientific and technological progress," he added.

To remind. It was this pope who justified the bombing of Serbs. Rome's daily La Repubblieg, published on 14 August 1993, a front cover illustration of the pope at the top of a minaret calling: "Isus (Warren) Christopher, save us." The Italian Press condemned Pope John Paul for blessing an American air assault on Serb positions and for asking President Clinton to launch it without delay. On 15 August 1993, Roman Catholic priest, Don Albino Bizzotto, founder of the Beati Construttovi di Pace peace and charity orgnization, has assessed the pope's call for air strikes on Bosnian Serbs as 'disappointing' and 'double-dealing. "We cannot understand those who speak about mercy and military intervention at the same time, he said. Fr. Bizzotto went on to say: The pope's behavior is like a leading big power, who tries to cure their hypocrisies and failures with armed interventions."

The war against the Serbs was unjust and immoral. It received no approval from Congress nor from the UN, but our wag-the-dog President Clinton went ahead with his bombing of innocent Serbian civilians. This war was to appease the Muslim world. It was to show them that we were willing to destroy a Christian people in order to prove it.

58 posted on 01/01/2004 7:26:27 AM PST by Doctor13
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"More than ever we need a new international order which draws on the experience and results of the United Nations," the 83-year-old pontiff said at a mass in St Peter's Basilica.

"I respectfully disagree."

I interpreted the Popes statement to mean it's time to learn from the mistakes of the UN and dissolve it. Not such a bad idea, is it?

59 posted on 01/01/2004 7:28:25 AM PST by varon
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Another idiotic one world government guy. He needs to step DOWN. He is an embarrassment.
85 posted on 01/01/2004 7:58:32 AM PST by nmh
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He's probably still distraught over saddam insane being shown for what he is - a rat. I don't know what it is with these leftists. They're so worried about the appearance and "rights" of murderers. They exalt evil.
89 posted on 01/01/2004 8:00:53 AM PST by nmh
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I'd like to take you seriously Pope John, but I can't. I know you are many times over better educated than me, but your solution is one that will never, repeat, never work.

I don't know why you can't see that even with all of our flaws, the American philosophy of governance and its people are the last, best hope on Earth. I say this as a woman who emigrated from Italy in 1958. Wake up, Pontiff, wake up!!!

I do respect your service to the Church, but if you don't mind a little advise from a stupefied at your reasoning Catholic, you need to begin the peace process with a fumigation of your digs, and the digs of all of your cardinals and bishops and repropbates in collar.

And no one is going to take you seriously until you show as much passion and grief for the victims of abuse at the hands of your 'disciples', as you do for despots and tyrants.

And one last thing, please tell cardinal 'i felt sorry for saddam' to take a long walk off a short pier.

98 posted on 01/01/2004 8:14:24 AM PST by AlbionGirl ("Ha cambiato occhi per la coda.")
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"...NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION! Our weapons are fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope...and a night cap with the neighbors..."

Courtesy "for educational purposes" [LOL] : Monty Python's "Spanish Inquisition" (BBC Radio Version), The Worst/Best of Monty Python's Flying Circus Album, 1974.

Did I miss a memo; I thought the SJs were the Pope's International Force?!
103 posted on 01/01/2004 8:23:32 AM PST by sully777 ("Not a thought lifted itself from Chance's brain. Peace filled his chest." -- Being There)
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Pope wants new international order to keep peace

Dear Mr. Pope-

They tried that. It was called the UN. It is full of murderers and bandits that use it so those in power in their countries can stay in power and kill and steal and TAX. Don't be an instrument of these criminals. Governments must be contained. You are not a government. Don't act like one. Read some Austrian School Economics or maybe Animal Farm.

You are just enabling the killers and bandits, like journalists they haven turned into their chumps.

You may love and forgive His Excellency Mugabe of Zimbabwe but right now he is probably dining on a $10,000 breakfast while hundreds of thousands of children IN HIS COUNTRY starve to death. Other lovely Africans are hunting and eating each other in the name of negotiation, peace and THEIR GOD.

Happy New Year.

JESUS SAID THE STRONG MUST HELP THE WEAK.

Faithfully Yours.

PS: Don't forget that the TAX CUTS in the US have caused a surge in growth which is creating JOBS, and is allowing the US to feed more rescue more save more and protect more than any country in the history of the world, again. Don't help people like New York Senator Hillary Clinton and her armies of journasocialists put the brakes back on the tax cut driven economy while trying to cobble together some kind of world village. Tax cuts(government braking systems) have worked every time they have ever been tried. Some in congress are still questioning whether we can afford tax cuts.

105 posted on 01/01/2004 8:26:07 AM PST by alrea (let's go back to when liberalism meant more freedom from central authority)
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I disagree also. That is a sure-fire way for a despot to take over, and inflict evil upon the lands.
111 posted on 01/01/2004 8:29:27 AM PST by Maigrey (I'm infected with Loganitis, and I don't want to be cured!)
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An international order? Heck, he can't even keep his own house in order.
112 posted on 01/01/2004 8:29:38 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
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An order which is capable of finding adequate solutions to today's problems, based on the dignity of human beings, on integrating all society, on solidarity between rich and poor countries, on the sharing of resources and the extraordinary results of scientific and technological progress

This is called law, liberty, property rights and capitalism. It's spreading. The European Socialist Countries, Dictators everywhere and the Democratic Party in the US are what's hampering it.

114 posted on 01/01/2004 8:29:58 AM PST by alrea (let's go back to when liberalism meant more freedom from central authority)
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