Little Haiti shop owner says he's justified in spanking teenage girl

Ft. Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel ^ | 12.29.03 | Diana Marrero

[GreenHornet]

If my daughter assaulted a stranger, I'd zap her myself, after he was finished.

So let me see if I understand this: If a 52 year old man beat your 13 year old daughter because she "sassed" him, and threw a couple of nickles at him (oh yeah, that was a vicious assault on her part!), you would have no problem with that?

[CyberCowboy777]

He did not start it with assault, she assaulted first.

Yes, he should have called the police.

And then called the police.

And then called the police.

And then called the police.

I want to know where your cry of justice is for him? We have two clearly in the wrong - why do you seek justice for only one?

[philetus]

I'll bet they are

[cinFLA]

And what would you do to the 52 yo that beat your 13 yo daughter with a belt????

[cinFLA]

So you would like to go around spanking 13 year old girls? hmmmm.....

[ExSoldier]

You didn't read what I said. Haitians punish their OWN kids. In my mind they have the perfect right to do so and nobody should tell them "no" unless the punishment amounts to abuse: Like using a folded wire hanger or some instrument of torture. But I know of NO Haitians who would condone striking a child not their own! I don't condone that, the guy should have been arrested and I guess he was. But corporal punishment is a part of their culture, just as it was a part of my culture when I was growing up. Liberals don't punish and look how they behave! LOL

[FITZ]

Justice for him? Send him back to Haiti --- he's an old man that is into spanking teenage girls --- like someone said --- that's just S&M. This isn't a swat on the rear of some 2 or 3 year old child.

[FITZ]

It's a part of my culture too ---- I believe it's okay to spank your own kids and decide what age they shouldn't be spanked ---- if this had been my young daughter, he'd better not be laying a hand on her.

[CyberCowboy777]

I am not justifying him.

I am calling for her punishment by the court system that will punish him.

One crime is not mitigated by another greater crime.

If you seek justice, seek justice for all, including this man.

Bad customer service is not an excuse for assault, if she cannot deal with mean people she should not be in a store by herself. Once she threw the money and spat on him she crossed the line of proportionate response for bad service.

Again equal justice for all. Both have done wrong and both should be punished by the law, anyone calling for less is wrong.

[ExSoldier]

Well, yeah, I'm with you.

[CyberCowboy777]

Okay I see. Because he did something wrong he deserves no justice.


I hope you don't feel that way about those of us with speeding tickets?

You have no proof that this man meant anything sexual by his actions. Simple assault for which he should be punished, as should she. Of course his punishment is going to be harder, he is an adult and he assaulted a child. But she also must pay for her crimes.

is there no personal responsibility in this country anymore?

[ExSoldier]

"For some reason, most lawyers don't want computer programmers sitting on their jury.

When I was in law school (I only went halfway before I quit) I had a professor that once told me I'd never get picked for a jury because no lawyer wants somebody who even went halfway in law school on a civil case and nobody trying a criminal case wants a former law enforcement officer and current firearms instructor on that jury. He's been totally correct for 15 years so far.

[semaj]

"If he had hit my daughter I'd beat him to death with his own belt."

Even if hypothetically she deserved it? If so, what does that say about your method of child rearing?

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Fine if it is proven that she threw the nickles or spat then, she need to apologize and be banned from the store.

That is a proportionate response. And it should have been the one dealt out in the first place.

It can not be proven that she in any way meant to cause him harm. He doesn't even allege that he was struck by the nickles that she allegedly threw. He on the other hand went after her with the intent to humiliate and cause bodily injury. You see the difference?

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

if this had been my young daughter, he'd better not be laying a hand on her.

Those who speak of the "good ol' days" when apparently everyone in the neighbor hood could wallop any child should also remember that all the parents knew each other. This was a far cry from allowing a stranger to strike your child. Which is what happened in this case.

[go star go]

Personally I don't think a girl/woman ever deserves to be beat by a stranger...

Actually, I don't think they should be beat by anyone...

I say give her a gun and let her deal with this control freak...

[go star go]

would you allow your son-in-law to "whuup" your daughter if she sassed him?

[JudgemAll]

If I ever have kids and if they ever act up, they get the belt. No "time out" Dr. Spock BS nonsense.

Actualy, time out is serious confinement and is worse punishment than the belt, but it is confusing because it looks like nicer, fairer punishment.

Always give the kid the opportunity to accomplish even though he or she is punished. Time out is more restrictive, while the belt is more realistic: you screw up, you get hurt, you get back on your feet.

[JudgemAll]

Personally I don't think a girl/woman ever deserves to be beat by a stranger...

Even after she assaulted him?

I dont think so. You assault some one, you get it. I dont care the age or gender. It is no alibi for crime or against self defense.

[CyberCowboy777]

I never said there was no difference, nor did I say that the punishment should be the same. He was wrong and should be punished.

He said that the nickles hit him in the head, that is assault. An apology and being banning from the store is not proportionate. She needs community service at a minimum.

We have two parties who are wrong, not equally, but wrong. Nobody should call for the punishment of one and not the other.

We agree on the man, I simply want to see responsibility taken by or for this brat.