Vanity: An Open Message to the Republican Party Cheerleaders on this Forum...

12-10-03 | Vanity

[ambrose]

Vanity:

An Open Message to the Republican Party Cheerleaders on this Forum...

[Luis Gonzalez]

"They should seek help from private organizations and charity organizations."

What private organizations?

What charitable organizations?

I'm looking for solutions here, not meaningless babble.

"It is not the government's problem to solve. "

Section 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

I would imagine that providing for the General Welfare of the United States, would include providing for the general welfare of its citizenry.

[yonif]

It's really a lost cause of making the government smaller. In a decade or so, "small government" will no longer be an issue. This country is changing, and it will never go back to the days of limited government. What's more, this bill increases the expectations of the citizens in this country of what the government is supposed to be and what it is supposed to provide. This is a slippery slope which will lead to other legislation increasing spending and increases the population of the government. Down the road, it will also require tax increases.

[Fledermaus]

Uh, ambrose, the 5 members of the Supreme Court that affirmed this ridiculous law were the liberals.

[gatorbait]

I think Bush is brilliant

So do I.You're right , he is pulling them into an abyss. Too bad the Purest of the Pure can't see that Remember , the move to a dependent state was gradual, and to wean of the drug of entitlements will have to gradual as well. W has my vote and so does any Republican candidate, Louisiana is about to be rewarded for its idiocy.

[Fledermaus]

Don't you remember the mantra of "Bush is only signing this because EVERYONE knows the Supreme Court will strike it down"?

Fools.

[jwalsh07]

I know people, REAL people, old people who worked all their lives and tried saving a little money for retirement, who can't afford to both eat, and buy the prescriptions they need to maintain themselves healthy, so they make deadly choices daily.

What's your "conservative" solution to this problem?

The conservative solution to the problem of older folks or any folks who are incapable of providing for their own needs due to circumstance beyond their control is to provide for them.

In the case of the medicare prescription drug problem, the solution should have been to provide prescription drug cards to the 1.5 million seniors who could not afford the insurance on their own. Instead, we get a new entitlement that traverses these folks, middle class folks and upper class folks.

Times have changed in the past 40 years to where most of the wealth in this country is now in the hands of the elderly but we have managed now to subsidise much of that wealth by chopping into the paychecks of our progeny. Somethings wrong there.

[futureceo31]

Saying that Dean is a fiscal conservative is like saying that pigs can fly. Here are the facts.
Four times during his governorship his budget increases exceeded the gross state product (GSP).

In 1995, Vermont’s GSP Growth was 1.7%, but State Spending Growth was 5.3%
In 1998, Vermont’s GSP Growth was 5.1%, but State Spending Growth was 8.1%
In 1999, Vermont’s GSP Growth was 5.3%, but State Spending Growth was 13.4%
In 2000, Vermont’s GSP Growth was 5.6%, but State Spending Growth was a whopping 23.7%
and also the link to go with it. http://www.vermontgop.org/fact_check_dean.shtml

Vermont is smaller than most cities in the US. Its population is mostly white, liberal, and wealthy. SO to compare Dean to the common man is like comparing apples and oranges.

So I am guessing you are voting for Dean..:)

[nopardons]

Fine and dandy, but if all of us, even the so called pom-pom wielders,divorce ourselves from the GOP, then you do realize, don't you, that the Dems will hold power unto perpetuity. Get a grip. At least make a wee attempt to be rational, understand the consequences of actions and votes, and consider just WHAT your oh so misguided post actually means.

[FreeReign]

You do know the Pubbies have to win primaries to get to the general election don't you? What you need to do is persuade a majority of Pubbie primary voters to abandon their pragmatic moderate centrist conservatism, or get the center of gravity of the nation as a whole in politics move your way. Absent that, one is just a rather ineffectual and whining kibbitzer.

You would actually blame the mind-set of the general electorate instead of actually blaming the mindset of the R politicians? How...how conservative of you.

Others here would instead expect to see a conservative politician luck-out and get elected -- god knows how -- and have that conservative politician lead the centrist-to-statist minded electorate to freedom.

[Consort]

I'd rather Dean won at this point.

It's not just about you.

[Dolphy]

Have you noticed that some of these posters are sounding like the Bush hating democRATs at DU and RATs.com?

Yes, I have noticed.

It was my first boss who cautioned me about the way I planned to handle an issue that came up on the first project I led. He said, "You are perfectly right, and you can win this issue. You will also lose the support of those people on the entire project." I have not forgotten that, it is wise to choose ones battles carefully.

[futureceo31]

I agree with you on that. I seriously think that the next 4 years is going to be spent by Bush in reducing government but I think it will be pretty tough to do. For any chance of government reform, we have to look at privatization and the medicare bill is a step in that direction. We have to start somewhere...

[Moonman62]

That's not much different than GWB's record of fiscal conservaticsm.

[Fledermaus]

I know people, REAL people, old people who worked all their lives and tried saving a little money for retirement, who can't afford to both eat, and buy the prescriptions they need to maintain themselves healthy, so they make deadly choices daily.

What's your "conservative" solution to this problem?

How about not taking 7.65% of every dime they earn (matched by their employer that could be using that money to increase their pay) to put into a ridiculous pyramid scheme?

Face some facts. If you or I tried to create an "annuity" plan totally based on Social Secuirty or a "healthplan" totally based on Medicare, the federal government would arrest and prosecute us for fraud!

[spodefly]

The choices are:

1.) Stop voting and bunker down.
2.) Vote for Dean/Hillary.
3.) Vote for an independent/3rd party.
4.) Vote for Bush, even though he signed CFR, NCLB, spends like a Democrat, will sign the AWB if it hits his desk, and has presided over some of the most gargantuam federal power/money expansions in history.

Choosing the lesser of 2 evils (or 4) is the curse of a damned culture. We are going to become a mega-taxed socialist UN-dominated Constitution-ignoring multiculturally hyphenated dystopia one way or the other. It will be a little slower to arrive with the Republicans.

[onyx]

Hey, ETOM! Big day. Election '04 is off to a predictable start. Bush bashing in full gear.

[Jim Robinson]

I propose that we continue voting out as many rats as humanly possible and keep replacing liberal activist judges until the Democrat party is completely demolished and liberalism is no longer a dominate force in our society.

In the meantime, we continue moving the brightest and most electable young conservative blood up through the farm teams of local and state government and some up the ladder to the congress and or into the state houses, while grooming the very best candidates for eventual shots at the presidency. In doing so, we eventually remove rinos from the party where possible and continue moving the party as a whole and the entire country rightward.


I haven't seen any plans from any third party types that have a chance of swaying voters in the numbers necessary to win national or statewide elections. As long as they can hope to do no better than pull a small percentage of voters from the Republican candidates, then the very best they can hope for is to block the Republican, giving a Democrat another seat. No thank you. I see that as a losing long-term strategy.

[Torie]

I get so irritable thinking about this issue. Have you thought about the Torie plan about striking out a Old Europe's and Canada's monopsony drug buyer's lately? Beyond that, any ntion that Torie and his ilk when old will get any sort of government subsidies is quite nausiating.

[NormsRevenge]

Truth be known, I wanted to use a stronger expletive in that sentence, like "commie loving bastard" or such, but couldn't think of a lower, dirtier, filthier, nastier name than "Democrat!"

demRats,, dam'Rats,, they both work for me. ;-)

Bless You, Jim. and Thanks for another day shot to hell but Oh the fireworks. It was a grand sight to behold.

Let's do it again tomorrow, OK? ;-) LOL

[futureceo31]

Ain't it fun.. The difference is that we allow DIms and left leaning nuts here but we are banned on the liberal forums.. Welcome to free speech guranteed by conservatives in this great country of ours..:)