Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates)

Various | December 4, 2003 | sweetliberty

[sweetliberty]

(Thread 11) Link back to thread 10 (Nov. 24-30)

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Contained in Thread 10:

Who can be a guardian, 1993 letter from Bob Schindler to Michael Schiavo, Palm beach Post editorial and FReeper response, T'wit's song about Schiavo and Felos, transcript of Lee Webb's (CBN) interview with Kate Adamson, partial timeline of Terri's case, the story of Martin and Anne Shapiro and the report on Terri's birthday party,

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Click on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

You will notice that this thread is not specifically dated. That is because we are just going to keep this one going until we have need of another one.

A reminder: please do not post personal information on the public forum. We have lots of folks on scene down in Florida and we don't want them having any problems with the death squad.

INDEX OF TERRI THREADS ON FR

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Latest threads on Terri's Case:

As Terri Schiavo turns 40 next week, her loved ones fight for her life

Suspicious Circumstances, the Strange Case of Terri Schiavo

Schiavo asks Pinellas judge to rule without trial

Michael Schiavo tries to block Gov. Bush

Michael Schiavo Again Seeks to Block New Information About Terri

Why Was Terri Denied Holy Communion?

Terri Schiavo's 40th birthday Wednesday

Florida's Bush gets report on Schiavo

Participate in Terri Schiavo's Birthday, December 3, With prayer, Mass Intentions, Cards and Notes

FR Birthday Card: Greetings, Prayers for Terri Schindler-Schiavo

New Guardian Urged for Terri Schiavo, More Evaluation of Her Condition Needed

The Guardian Speaks: Terri Schiavo's guardian files his report; there's bad news and good news.

Terri Schiavo's Family Celebrates Her 40th Birthday, Hundreds Send Cards

Changes Proposed In Right-To-Die Laws - Your help is needed NOW in Florida!

The Case of Terri Schiavo: The Human Rorschach Test

[Orlando]

It's all connected with the messages of Fatima. The messages of Fatima is a call to conversion and penance,
the first and most basic call of the Gospel.

The October 13th ,1917 vision and messages concerns the Sun....remember the Pope and Vatican are holding the 3rd
messages in secret, it was sub pose to be release in 1963
,because only then would it be understood by the last generation by signs from the heavens (sky & space, and the SUN..)Only one true pc of the message came out...which is this...God will release this on earth....

"The Red Dragon falls".......

This is what I feel/think it means.....when a asteriod/comet is entering earth skys it will look like a
Red dragon falling from the sky...Big Fireball....

Here are some of the warnings and signs to look for in these end-times, it says that the true children of the light will see and understand these signs.(the poor)..

For example.....here's another message...Oct,1917

"Many MARRIAGES are not good; they do not please our lord and are not of God"

***** Stop here ****

Look at what MS is showing us, and LOOK at the Church
reaction(s) in St. Petersburg/Clearwater.....NONE !
Bishop Robert Lynch is going to be punish by God for not
defending a SAINT !!!!, and look at the new courts, it dose not matter to them anymore, why? ...The TEN commandments
don't matter anymore to them that judge others....

2nd.....

"Priests must be pure, very pure. They should not busy themselfs with anything except what concerns the Church and SOULS. The disobedience of priests, to their superiors and to the HOLY Father, is very displeasing to Our Lord."

****Okay,hmm?***

If, the Church of Christ (All) and Bishop Robert Lynch of Florida were of the LIGHT, they would of seen this, and defended Terri, and put a stop to this from Day #1, BUT
they are not pure, look at the Boys/priests stories, and Homosexual Bishop.....it's part of the sign...This explains
why...tHE bISHOP of Florida is not defending the children
of the light (GOD), because he (they)(many,not all) are NOT
PURE and of the LIGHT.....

The hands of God is about to be released, the question is
when ?






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[tutstar]

Yes,

I think that the writer of this did well in pointing out loopholes in the law.

I am wondering if one of the kids(disabled ones who made cards for Terri) was subject of a custody dispute and the custodial parent was able to get Felos' ilk of doctors to say that child was PVS if their feeding tube could be removed. That is what I'm looking at now. If King can be 'forced' to admit a loophole that 'must' be addressed then that could be the catalyst to have him bring up Wise's bill or some alternative that would eliminate food and hydration as 'extraordinary means'.

The writer of that article already says that persons who are mentally incapicated but in good health are not addressed.
Felos is quite the fanagler!

[sweetliberty]

That's a very good idea looking at how the law, or loopholes in it might effect the children. Would give them something totally unrelated to Terri to look at. Hard to imagine that they haven't considered this, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Lawmakers overall seem to be pretty clueless of the real world which they manipulate.

[tutstar]

Well, actually it was the aide's reaction to the story that the Lord has repeatedly brought back to my mind. This morning is when it clarified in my mind, it is all the LORD's doing. Maybe it will lead somewhere positive, all I know at this point is that I have to check into it. I know of someone who can definitely help with this, please pray I will run into him tonight.

[terrasol]

Update on Pinellas County Schoolboard action against
the disabled teacher who spoke out in favor of Terri.
Why are these School Board people going to such a
length eliminating one crippled teacher? What layer
of the Felos network felt threatened by the TV interview
she gave, in which she presented the viewpoint of a
disabled woman about what was happening to Terri?

The way the Pinellas County School Board is handling its
attack on Rus Cooper-Dowda is quite reminiscent of the
proceedings over which the Honorable George W. Greer
precided, biased, underhanded and clearly agenda-driven.
I am forwarding an excerpt from Rus's email this
morning:

Remember I was fired for speaking out about Terri while
still recovering from that student attack the school knew
was coming but would not help me prevent?

Well --
The day before Thanksgiving I was denied worker's comp for
that injury because the school said the assault (attacking
a public school teacher: a 3rd degree felony in Florida)
accounts were inconclusive.

That turned out to mean the student said he didn't do it.

So the official stance is that the unprevented and long
promised attack didn't really happen.

But the student was punished for it and that
acknowledgement of the attack is part of his permanent
record. One copy is in his file. I have one copy as his
teacher and case manager.

So here's the news I just uncovered:
It was also reported as teacher battery by the school
police officer to the St. Petersburg, Florida police
department one week after it happened. There is even a
report number.

So an unprevented planned attack with 2 separate permanent
school system reports and 1 city police report officially
didn't happen.

This is getting curiouser and curiouser all the time.

Rus

[pickyourpoison]

bump

[Coleus]

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ReadCatholic Petitions.com Anyone Can Sign CatholicPetitions.com Here
Sign Friends of Terri.org Petition

Today's Update

Terri's Birthday is December 3rd. People have asked how they may participate. Find out here!

WHAT'S NEW,
Our Help is Needed in Florida

Family attorney, Patricia Anderson speaks to Glenn Beck about this case.

Terri's Law Who is Terri Schiavo?

On Atheistic CommunismDIVINI REDEMPTORIS
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XI
ON ATHEISTIC COMMUNISM MARCH 19, 1937
Read # 27

[Orlando]

New poll being conducted in Florida.
Here's the question, and % results as of 12:00pm,est..

*** How do you feel about "Terri Law"? ***

13.6% ....I think it's GOOD idea. Terri's parents are right.

79.8% ... I think it's a bad idea. Micheal Schiavo is Right.

1.2% ... I have no opinion either way.

5.3% ... I say let the courts decide,etc...

total votes....... 243


http://www.floridatoday.com/topstories/120803schiavo.htm


Micheal is winning by 79.8%

[nickcarraway]

Poll Shows Majority Of Florida Residents Oppose Terri's Law [Biased Question]

Gephardt Also Opposes Saving Terri Schiavo's Life

[wildandcrazyrussian]

Thought you'd find this interesting:

I have been mentioning the Terri Schiavo case to my 12-year-old daughter, as part of our overall discussions on issues she'll be facing growing up (ie new things we never had to even think about when we were that age, like euthanasia, humamn cloning, etc).

She mentioned to me yesterday that she types stuff on an Internet discussion list of mostly English-speaking young women and girls around the world like Australia and Ireland, and has been presenting some of the arguments about this and other issues. She has gotten some real nice feedback that her arguments are well thought out, and I don't believe anyone has had occasion to come out and say Terri should just die, like you keep hearing these judges and politicians saying.

It would be interesting to get an idea of how things are going in this regard on other lists. I only have time to check out FreeRepublic myself.

[pickyourpoison]

There was lots of polls. Many in Terri's favor. The news media makes a big deal out of the poll in MS's favor.

[pc93]

Here is Mr. Dean's blog:

http://www.blogforamerica.com/

Here is Gephardts info:

Contact Us:

Washington, D.C.
1226 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-2671
202/225-7452 (fax)
E-mail: gephardt@mail.house.gov

National Headquarters for Dick Gephardt
P.O. Box 34607
Washington, DC 20043
202-448-9300 (phone)
202-448-9399 (fax)
E-mail: info@dickgephardt2004.com

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NOTE: Free faxing for entire Washington D.C. area:

www.tpc.int/sendfax.html

Format of number to input is: -> 1 202 225 7452
-> 1 202 448 9399

or send e-mails to his fax machines (something like 20 page max)

remote-printer.dick_gephardt@12022257452.iddd.tpc.int,
remote-printer.dick_gephardt@12024489399.iddd.tpc.int

[daylate-dollarshort]

Miami Herald
Posted on Sun, Dec. 07, 2003

Terri Schiavo is sustained only by politics

All the political grandstanding hasn't changed the gruesome truth. There's no hope for Terri Schiavo.

Her new court-appointed guardian ad litem spent a month studying her medical records and court documents. He talked to nurses and doctors. He questioned medical, legal and bioethical experts. And religious scholars. He talked to family members. He spent time nearly every day at the bedside of the depleted woman at the center of Florida's right-to-die controversy.

He found nothing in her perpetual, mindless repose that offered hope.

Guardian Jay Wolfson reported this week that, ``Highly competent, scientifically based physicians using recognized measures and standards have deduced, within a high degree of medical certainty, that Terri is in a persistent vegetative state.''

She has no intellectual capacity. No hope of recovery. Neurological tests and brain scans, Wolfson noted, ``indicate that Terri's cerebral cortex is principally liquid, having shrunken due to the severe anoxic trauma experienced thirteen years ago.''

On Feb. 25, 1990, Terri suffered a heart attack. A loss of oxygen to her brain caused a permanent loss of cognitive function. After several years of failed efforts to revive his wife, her husband, Michael, surrendered to the inevitable. ''It had taken Michael more than three years to accommodate this reality and he was beginning to accept the idea of allowing Terri to die naturally rather than remain in the non-cognitive, vegetative state,'' Wolfson wrote in his report to the governor.

BITTER COURT FIGHT

But that decision, which the husband said followed his wife's wishes, set off a bitter feud and court fight with Terri's parents and siblings. They have been absolutely opposed to any decision to disconnect the feeding tube. The guardian noted that during the years-long legal struggle, the Schindlers ''voiced the disturbing belief that they would keep Terri alive at any and all costs.'' Even if that required amputation of her limbs or open-heart surgery.

``As part of the hypothetical presented, Schindler family members stated that even if Terri had told them of her intention to have artificial nutrition withdrawn, they would not do it.''

The feeding tube was finally removed in October. But the Legislature, urged on by the governor and religious fundamentalists, intervened. The tube was reinserted. A guardian was appointed to represent Terri.

But Wolfson's investigation offered no hope. The University of South Florida professor tried to elicit some response from Terri himself. He spent time with her parents, who similarly tried to demonstrate awareness in their daughter. Nothing happened.

Wolfson's report only mirrored the findings of so many judges who had considered this awful case for years. He had discovered nothing new.

CONTROVERSIAL LAW

Of course, the governor, before leaping into this painful, familial fight, easily could have read the same records. The legislators, before passing such controversial legislation, could have first considered opinions of the same experts. Scientific testimony would have led them to the same sad, inescapable conclusion that Terri Schiavo is beyond hope.

But scientific reality didn't matter. The governor and legislators were indulging in anti-science, like medieval potentates, hauling Terri into a political forum to appease their ignorant zealots.

Wolfson gently suggested that the governor and the warring factions agree to a compromise. If Terri can eat or drink and swallow on her own, then she would be sustained. Otherwise, the tube would be disconnected and she would be allowed to die (too late, I'm afraid, to die with dignity).

Of course, the governor won't agree. He and his Dark Ages allies already know that Terri Schiavo can't eat or drink or swallow on her own.

They know that she is beyond medical help -- the only thing sustaining her depleted life is a gruesome, intrusive, very medieval kind of politics.

[daylate-dollarshort]

Link to column in post 113, above:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/columnists/fred_grimm/7426730.htm

[pc93]

puppet.

[pc93]

you play well into the hands of michael/felos and co.

[supercat]

Of course, the governor, before leaping into this painful, familial fight, easily could have read the same records.

Many of the records that need to be examined are not open to the general public. How could the governor examine them?

[msmagoo]

Terrasol, please adise Rus to get an attorney - even the typical ambulance chaser would be able to win her a settlement. Make sure she preserves those police reports in both files - the school might try to make them disappear. Also, she should seek legal help outside Pinellas County if at all possible.

Wish her luck for me.

[msmagoo]

Just saw this at google news:

Attorney for Terri Schiavo's Parents Says Recent Poll Was Biased

[Dante3]

Polls can be manipulated in various ways. One of them is to ask questions a certain way from uninformed or misinformed people. Many years ago I once came across a poll where the pollster first provide bias data, then asked questions. In Terri's case many people have been exposed to wrong or misleading data.

Just like Felos claims to be Greek Orthodox (a claim rejected by some posters), so Michael Schiavo's supporters emphasize his Lutheran background and his belief in God. True or not, it does not change the fact that they are trying to kill an innocent woman in a sadistic way and cause pain for her parents.