Nellie Connally Disputes Warren Commission

NewsMax.com ^ | 11/25/03 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

[kattracks]

For all the coverage generated by the 40th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination this past weekend, the media managed to miss the only genuine news to emerge from the commemoration.

Nellie Connally, wife of former Texas Gov. John Connally and the only person still alive who rode in the presidential death limousine, publicly disputed for the first time the Warren Commission's "magic bullet" theory, a scenario absolutely essential to its finding that Lee Harvey Oswald was Kennedy's lone assassin.

A year after the assassination the Commission concluded that Kennedy and Gov. Connally were both wounded by the first shot fired by Oswald from the Texas School Book Depository. A second shot missed completely. A third shot slammed into Kennedy's head and splattered his brains throughout the car.

But Mrs. Connally told CNN's Larry King that Kennedy and her husband couldn't have been struck by the same bullet, because she watched her husband react over a period of two seconds after the first shot struck the president.

"John [Connally] sitting right in front of him knew it was a shot," the former Texas first lady said. "He's a hunter and a shooter, you know. . . ."

Mrs. Connally continued:

"So he turned quick to his right and he couldn't see [Kennedy] because he was directly in front of him. And he said, 'No, no, no' and turned to his left. . . . Now this is a second or two. Then, as he whirled back, the second shot hit John . . ."

When pressed about the single bullet theory adopted by the Warren Commission, Mrs. Connally told King, "Do you think a bullet that went through the president's neck can hang there in air between the two seats while John turned to the right, turned to the left and came back?

"That's what I asked the Warren Commission," she explained. "I said, 'I don't believe a bullet could do that. That bullet -- the same bullet did not hit both of them.'"

[tpaine]

See #280.

[chuckwalla]

That's why I don't respond to them. They are closed to anything outside of the official although illogical, improbable idea of one shooter.
To them if you can't slice off a piece of green cheese from the moon and hand it to them then you can't prove it isn't green cheese so it then is without doubt and irrefutibly green cheese just as they sat it is.

[chuckwalla]

You've got to be kidding.
You are a mr. I presume, and you are telling stories, so I am saving space.

[chuckwalla]

Can you answer the question?

[#3Fan]

4 to 5 millimeters, man that is small. Ever wonder why JFK didn't duck into the seat like the others did? If he would've ducked after the first shot he would've survived and he had 6 seconds to do it. 59 witnesses said that there was about a 6 second gap between the first shot and the second shot (and then a 1 - 2 second gap between the second and third). I wonder if he was paralized. Did his back brace keep him from ducking into the seat? Maybe that's what the splice was for, to hide part of what went on right before JFK put his hands to his throat.

[Tares]

Then how can the magic bullet have struck Kennedy's back at a 45 degree downward angle and then go out higher at the throat and then strike Connaly at a 39 degree downward angle?

You assume they were both sitting perfectly erect in their seats at a 90 degree angle. Think about the effect if one or both of JFK and Connally were not sitting perfectly erect. Each degree variation from the vertical produces a corresponding change in the bullet path through the body.

[Tares]

NOr is it a picture of the entire windshield

Here is a picture of the entire windshield.

[chuckwalla]

Because of those and other impossible conditions the SBT is outta here.
Let's face it anyone who believes that must be on gov payroll because they can't make it in the real world with that type of thinking and stubborness.
But they still do. Weird.
The only conclusion is that there were multiple shooters and the gov is covering up to save face and/or complicity.

[chuckwalla]

Did they test the impact point for blood or other human matter?
NO. They just replaced it right away.
Cleaned the car right away.
No immediate autopsy.
No brain when arrived at Bethesda.
Etc. It wasn't botched at all.
It was carefully manipulated.
They were not interested in finding the killers because they knew who they were and didn't want us to know.
Sounds like OJ to me.

[R. Scott]

"Do you think a bullet that went through the president's neck can hang there in air between the two seats while John turned to the right, turned to the left and came back?

Well, it was a magic bullet. If it could do everything else attributed to it, why not hang in space/time for a few seconds?

[R. Scott]

Much better view than posted in #20.

[PhilDragoo]

4 to 5 millimeters, man that is small.

That was Dr. Baxter's estimate of the size of the wound before Dr. Perry's tracheotomy.

Dr. Carrico's estimate was 5 to 8 millimeters.

A millimeter is 0.03937 inch.

Dr. Baxter's estimate is 0.15748 inch to 0.19685 inch, a median of 0.1758 inch.

Dr. Carrico's estimate is 0.19685 inch to 0.31496 inch, a median of 0.2559 inch.

The average of Dr. Baxter's median of 0.1758 inch and Dr. Carrico's median of 0.2559 inch is 0.21585 inch.

Hence the round, even wound observed by the Parkland doctors to have an approximate diameter of 0.21585 inch is close to the size of a .22 caliber bullet or a .223 bullet.

The ripping of the neat one inch incision performed at Parkland to create the ragged three inch tear observed at Bethesda may have been required to retrieve a bullet which caused the neat, round wound described by Drs. Crenshaw, Perry, Baxter, Carrico, Peters, and Jones.

[Shooter 2.5]

They're still measuring from the bunched up jacket as if the jacket was the target. I think if the jacket was hanging over the seat at the time and undamaged, they would say JFK was never shot.

[DustyMoment]

Thanks, Phil. As I responded to texasbluebell, I tend to place more weight on the initial observations of the Parkland ER docs than on those from the official autopsy conducted at Bethesda. After having seen yours and texasbluebell's sources, I will have to reconsider my previous impression that the throat wound was an exit wound vs. and entry wound.

[Shooter 2.5]

Dr. CARRICO. With those facts and the fact as I understand it no other bullet was found this would be, this was, I believe, was an exit wound.
Dr. PERRY. A full jacketed bullet without deformation passing through skin would leave a similar wound for an exit and entrance wound and with the facts which yon have made available and with these assumptions, I believe that it was an exit wound.

Other doctors at Parkland Hospital who observed the wound prior to the tracheotomy agreed with the observations of Drs. Perry and Carrico.

[PhilDragoo]

The back wound was inferior to the first thoracic vertebra per the HSCA.

That wound did not penetrate beyond the first joint of the finger per the autopsists.

Thus the speculative trajectory of the Magic Bullet is moot, as its beginning was its end.

Therefore the throat wound was not its exit.

In addition, Drs. Crenshaw, Perry, Carrico, Baxter, Peters and Jones described it as small, neat, and round.

The consistent response of the Warren Commission as well as the FBI to evidence and testimony contrary to its agenda was to suppress it.

[tpaine]

#3Fan:
Then how can the magic bullet have struck Kennedy's back at a 45 degree downward angle and then go out higher at the throat and then strike Connaly at a 39 degree downward angle?

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You assume they were both sitting perfectly erect in their seats at a 90 degree angle. Think about the effect if one or both of JFK and Connally were not sitting perfectly erect.
Each degree variation from the vertical produces a corresponding change in the bullet path through the body.
-Tares-

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JFK's jacket & shirt have matching holes corresponding to his back wound, indicating he was seated upright in a normal position.

Neither the Z film, nor other still photos taken at the point where he was hit, show him bent foward enough to account for the 'up' angle relative to the 6th floor window.

Nor do they show Connelly 'in line' to that same angle.

This point has been obvious since the Reports publication in '64.

The computer graphic cartoons grow more ludicrous every year in their attempts to 'prove' otherwise.
They only prove the increasing desperation of the single bullet, single shooter theorists.

[texasbluebell]

That [back] wound did not penetrate beyond the first joint of the finger per the autopsists.

That's just as I remember reading somewhere in the testimony of some of the docs, Phil.

So there had to have been at a minimum 3 shots that hit JFK, not the 2 that are claimed by the proponents of the Official Story.

And a total of at least 5: The first one that missed. This one to his back that didn't penetrate. One to his throat that had to come at him from the front, since it didn't come through from the back. One to his head, whether from front or back.

Not to mention the one (minimum) that hit Connelly.

[DustyMoment]

Ya know, now that I am seeing more in-depth information about the back wound, a question comes to mind relating to Kennedy's back brace. Is there any indication that the back brace in any way affected either the velocity or trajectory of the bullet?

Also, re-considering that the throat wound was an entry wound versus an exit wound, it might also explain why there was no spray of blood and tissue from the front of Kennedy's neck as the bullet exited.

[#3Fan]

Here is a picture of the entire windshield.

There's no way to know that that is the presidential limo and that it was taken before Sunday.