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Time to lay Kennedy conspiracy theories to rest
The Chicago Sun-TImes ^ | November 23, 2003 | Editorial

Posted on 11/23/2003 6:40:47 AM PST by GaryL

CNN reporter Kelly Wallace stands in Dallas' Dealey Plaza and points to the Texas School Book Depository window where, she says, Lee Harvey Oswald is "thought'' to have shot President John F. Kennedy on Nov. 22, 1963 -- 40 years ago Saturday. Then she and the anchor chat about the various conspiracy theories surrounding the assassination and conclude that the truth will probably never be known.

That's nonsense. And worse, it's popular nonsense. The truth is known. Oswald, acting alone, murdered JFK. We know this with as much certainty as we know anything in history. And just as we don't speak of the "alleged Civil War'' or the "supposed sinking of the Titanic,'' so to give credence to the lingering and numerous wild theories about the assassination of JFK is an unwise pandering to folklore and uncritical thinking.

Rather than continue to ask if there is any validity to these imaginings, we should wonder why they are so popular in the first place.

Several answers come to mind. People equate skepticism with independence. If the government says the sky is blue, a certain slice of the population would begin to doubt it. People also seek meaning in their lives. The idea of random tragedy, of a lone lunatic being able to destroy a man such as John F. Kennedy, is difficult to accept. They would rather cling to enticing accidents of history -- did you know that Richard M. Nixon was in Dallas the day before the assassination? -- than face a world where bad things happen for no reason at all.

Credulous media coverage by shallow reporters makes the situation worse. Balancing unequal arguments seems like fairness to them. Thus the Warren Report is weighed against Oliver Stone's fevered fantasies, just as science is pitted against UFO fanatics or, occasionally, the historical record of World War II is forced to justify itself to Holocaust deniers.

There is a human need to see order in chaos. We see it in every corner of human experience. It's what causes us to see animal figures in the stars. But the beauty of Western Civilization is that we have a commitment to empirical reality, and dry fact tells us that, despite the desires of our hearts, Elvis is not alive. The Jews don't run the world. And Kennedy was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone.

The Italians have a word, "dietrologia,'' which translates as the tendency to find shadowy motives behind the obvious. That is what is going on here. Oswald was a skilled marksman. He shot Kennedy at what amounted, for him, at close range. The endless skepticism and analysis are a waste of time, and, worse, they distract attention that might otherwise be devoted to the actual trials and triumphs of Kennedy's short-lived, long-ago administration. Forty years is long enough for wild speculation to be indulged. It's time to stop humoring the conspiracy buffs.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: assassination; conspiracy; jfk; kennedy; oswald
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To: DaGman
However, the seeming contradiction between the appearance of an exit wound from a bullet from behind, and the head appearing to move backward from a shot from the front would seem to indicate there is more at work here.

Here is where your theory falls apart. The inital movement of President Kennedys head from the momentum of the slug entering the skull was forward as it should have been when struck from behind.

Had he been struck from the grassy knoll, the inital movement would have been to the rear and left with massive damage to the left hemisphere. Thats how physics works, you really can't argue that.

It's all in the Zapruder film for anybody to see that wants to see. Now I suppose one could argue that the Zapruder film was edited by some conspiracists but if you accept the Zapruder film at face value, then Oswald murdered our President plain and simple.

181 posted on 11/23/2003 5:10:22 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
AFFIDAVIT

State of Texas
County of Dallas
City of Dallas

I Harold Norman, wish to make the following statement to Special Agents William Carter and Arthur W. Blake, United States Secret Service.

I am 25 years of age, and I live at 4858 Beulah Street, Dallas, Texas. I do not have a telephone at my residence. I have been employed as an order filler at the Texas School Book Depository, 411 Elm Street, Dallas, Texas for about three years.

I was acquainted with Lee Oswald during the time that he was employed at this company, but I never did get to know him well. I have spoken to him briefly to say "Hello" or in connection with my work, but I never carried on any conversations with him. He did not mix with the employees and did not appear to want to make friends with me or any of the others. I never saw him at any time other than in the building at work.

On the 22nd of November, 1963, to the best of my memory, the last time I saw him was about 10:00 A.M. when we were both working on the first floor of the building. I did not speak to him at that time.

About 12:15 P.M. on this same date, after I had eaten my lunch, I went to the fifth floor of the building to watch the parade of the President pass the building. Bonnie Ray Williams and James Jarman, who also worked at this building went with me. We took a position in the south-east corner of the building on the fifth floor and I was looking out the window which is closest to the east end of the buuilding overlooking Elm Street.

Just after the President passed by, I heard a shot and several seconds later I heard two more shots. I knew that the shots had come from directly above me, and I could hear the expended cartridges fall to the floor. I also could [also] hear the bolt action of the rifle. I saw some dust fall from the ceiling of the fifth floor and I felt sure that whoever had fired the shots was directly above me. I saw all of the people down on the street rut towards the west side of the building, so I went to that side with Williams and Jarman, and looked out the west side window. We discussed the shots, and where they had come from and decided we better go down stairs. We walked down the stairs to the first floor and did not see anyone else on the stairway as we went down. From the time of the shots until we started down-stairs was about five minutes.

I have read over the above statement and it is the truth to the best of my knowledge.

Harold Norman

NOTE: The floors of the TSBD building are made of wood.
182 posted on 11/23/2003 5:11:19 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: DustyMoment
There's one event in the whole affair that will always keep my suspicions alive: the assassination of Oswald by Jack Ruby. You expect me to believe that Jack Ruby really cared for JFK? Bullfeathers! The only plausible explanation for Oswald's assassination I can think of is "dead men tell no tales". I'll grant that there is overwhelming evidence that Oswald assassinated Kennedy, but even that doesn't justify a hard conclusion. For all those so cock sure that Oswald was a lone assassin, I'd like to point out that Oswald never had a trial. Shame on you.
183 posted on 11/23/2003 5:13:27 PM PST by Nevermore
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To: _Jim
I want it to be clear that I am not one of the folks who thinks that to Dallas PD was involved- because if they had been, Oswald would have been shot multiple times in the theater, and no questions would have been asked. I think the Jack Ruby thing was actually a coincidence- it was much too uncertain to succeed in silencing Oswald, and a real professional would have come up with a better plan to get rid of old Lee Harvey than having some nutjob shoot him ONCE with a .38. (For the record, I have seen a man take three AK-47 rounds through the chest at nipple level, and survive to return to active duty).

I do think the police were overwhelmed, and allowed too much press access and so on- and the description of the line-ups in which Oswald appeared were pretty lame.

184 posted on 11/23/2003 5:17:30 PM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: texasbluebell
But oddly, the Feebs, when they took the information and evidence from him, after 18 months of silence on the matter, declared that it was not Wallace's print. I wonder why.

They'd have to rename their buildings! lol

185 posted on 11/23/2003 5:19:58 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: _Jim
Touchy, aren't we? This seems to be a very emotional issue for you- maybe you should relax, watch a football game or something...
186 posted on 11/23/2003 5:23:16 PM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: breakem
I usually agree with your posts, but do you really think this issue will be settled with any certainty?

Another 10 years, most of those with direct info will be dead and we'll still be watching Zapruder.
170 -Be-






What post of mine are you responding to that has the "certainty" bit in it?

As to old age, and deathbed confession type scenarios, consider that a 25 year old assassination 'player' [Oswald was 24] is still only 65. - 20 or more years of life is no longer a big deal to us senior citizens.
[I hope]

187 posted on 11/23/2003 5:28:41 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but FRs flying monkey squad brings out the Rickenbacker in me.)
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To: GaryL
wonder why, since he died in Texas, someone hasn't 'established' a connection with the 'evil Bush dynasty.' {wretching}
188 posted on 11/23/2003 5:30:44 PM PST by the invisib1e hand
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To: #3Fan
Yes, that was Barr McClellan, a lawyer at the firm that did a lot of work for LBJ. He has come forward to implicate LBJ, although I am not sure why he waited 40 years. Anyway, he was on this morning, doing a long talk promoting his theory. I'm not sure there is anything there, but since I always hated LBJ I am interested to see where this leads.

What WOULD happen if it could be proven beyond doubt that LBJ was up to his bushy eyebrows in this thing?

I honestly don't know- I suspect that there would be no possible level of proof that would convince diehard Democrats, and it would break down along Party lines, like everything else in this country.

189 posted on 11/23/2003 5:34:24 PM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
OBERVATIONS by some of the press corp that day -

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/031124/usnews/24jfk_2.htm

TOM DILLARD, chief photographer, Dallas Morning News: My car . . . was at the county jail entrance when the first shot was fired. I said, "They've thrown a torpedo." At the second shot, "No, it's heavy rifle fire," and at the third shot I said, "They've killed him." Bob Jackson, a photographer in my car, said, "There's the rifle in that open window." In the three or four seconds it took me to locate that particular open window and make a picture, the rifle had been withdrawn.
A number of these people saw/heard/witnessed the shots that moring, part of the 200 some witnesses whose experience was the same BUT whose relating of the events may differ; approximately 85% of these 200 people point to the TSBD building as the source of the gusnhots by the way ...
190 posted on 11/23/2003 5:34:27 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: DaGman
"And, if the head shot was from the back, why did his head not move at least somewhat to the front before moving back and left?"

It did! It did! May I respectfully suggest that you do yourself a big favor and click on the following link? It shows very clearly and indisputably that Kennedy's head did INITIALLY move "somewhat to the front before moving back and left" just as you were asking.

May I also suggest that you just stare at that bottom moving sequence for about 5 minutes and just let it sink it?

If this won't convince you, well...God bless!

http://graffiti.virgin.net/paul.seaton1/jfk/diagrams/kennedy_graphics5.htm
191 posted on 11/23/2003 5:39:08 PM PST by GaryL
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To: DaGman
...and the head appearing to move backward from a shot from the front would seem to indicate there is more at work here.

I also heard a theory (from a doctor) on TV who stated that Kennedy's muscles throughout his body were stimulated for a fraction of a second by the nerve impulses being fired when his brain was destroyed, and that accounted for his movements. I think that's bull, though.

And, if the head shot was from the back, why did his head not move at least somewhat to the front before moving back and left?

A 1988 NOVA show on PBS compared frames 313 and 314 back and forth rapidly. There is an almost imperceptible movement of Kennedy's head slightly forward (i.e., about an inch) before it snaps backward. I'm not sure where you can get a copy of the Zapruder film (maybe it can be downloaded from some site), but if you get your hands on it and are able to compare 313 and 314 back and forth quickly, you might be able to see his head moving very slightly forward -- but I admit it's quite hard to see.

Nothwithstanding the conspiracy theories that say the Zapruder film was doctored, that's one of the reasons I'm convinced the third (fatal) shot hit Kennedy from the rear.

192 posted on 11/23/2003 5:39:42 PM PST by rickmichaels (God bless America, land that I love)
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To: _Jim
If you were to go back and read this entire thread, you will see that NOWHERE do I deny that Oswald shot Kennedy.

My only little sliver of doubt is that he may not have acted alone, in that he may have been part of some sort of plot- whether he realized it or not.

I accept the probability that he was a lone nutjob- God knows we have lots of them in this country- it would take more time than I have this afternoon just to make a LIST of the whacked-out losers who have shot and killed people for no particular reason just in the past five years.

But I do not consider the "case closed". I don't think it will ever be closed to everyone's satisfaction.

193 posted on 11/23/2003 5:43:31 PM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
What I REALLY want to know from some of the nutjob conspiracy freaks is -

- IF THIS indeed was suposed to be a professional hit, WHY wasn't an automatic weapon or at least a semi-automatic weapon used instead of a cheap bolt-action rifle?

AS it was, one of three shots missed - and that number very well could have been 3 of 3 if the car had started to swerve/weave side-to-side as an avoidance manuever that day. A semi-auto could have allowed several more shots to have been squeezed off in short order - leading me to believe this was a half-*ssed 'hit job' if it was really intended to end Kennedy's life ...

Unacceptable answers as to why a semi-auto wasn't used are in the vein of "he wanted to minimize collateral damage to other persons in the car by uisng a more accurate rifle" since Connally was almost killed too in this effort that killed Kennedy ...

194 posted on 11/23/2003 5:43:45 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: _Jim
Gee, they did a PRETTY GOOD job of tracking Oswald on the streets there in Oak Cliff GIVEN that description ...

It was the FBI that was "tracking" Oswald, not the Dallas police. Isn't that a little strange. The policeman that arrested Oswald was directed to the theater by the FBI!

WHAT do you want to bet the man who watched Tippet get shot IDENTIFIED Oswald in a lineup?

They lined Oswald up with Mexicans. Of course they're going to pick him.

195 posted on 11/23/2003 5:47:04 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
But I do not consider the "case closed".

Robert Oswald does. And he's Lee Harvey's blood brother (they have a half brother).

WHAT this tells me is you haven't fully researched Lee Harvey Oswald's background, life, history or psychological make-up.

196 posted on 11/23/2003 5:47:21 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: rickmichaels
It's not hard to see at all! Here's the link again:

http://graffiti.virgin.net/paul.seaton1/jfk/diagrams/kennedy_graphics5.htm




197 posted on 11/23/2003 5:48:38 PM PST by GaryL
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To: _Jim
A good point, and one of the reasons that I said I think Oswald was probably a lone nut with a gun and a grudge.

I'm not a "conspiracy nutjob"- but then, if I were a nutjob, would I know it?

Hmmmmm...

198 posted on 11/23/2003 5:49:10 PM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: #3Fan
I think you're irresponsible and incapable of working with logic, facts and certainly intricate details that make a night and day difference.

Please do not post to me with anymore of your hair-brained and unresearched ideas or 'theories'. All I have to do to get your perspective is loose about 100 IQ points ...

199 posted on 11/23/2003 5:50:03 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: _Jim
It's frustrating, isn't it?
200 posted on 11/23/2003 5:54:50 PM PST by GaryL
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