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Governor Seeks New Trial Over Brain Damaged Woman's Wishes
Tampa Bay Online ^ | November 19, 2003 | Vickie Chachere

Posted on 11/19/2003 4:13:47 PM PST by sweetliberty

Gov. Jeb Bush fired a volley of legal shots Wednesday at the husband of a brain damaged woman who is at the center of a right to die case, saying there needs to be a jury trial on whether Terri Schiavo wanted to be kept alive artificially. The governor also sought to remove Pinellas Circuit Court Judge W. Douglas Baird from hearing the constitutionality of the new law enacted to keep Terri Schiavo alive after her feeding tube was removed last month. In yet a third legal filing, the governor argues that Terri Schiavo's rights under the Florida Constitution are being protected, not violated.

Terri Schiavo went for six days without food and water after her husband Michael Schiavo removed her feeding tube. Florida lawmakers and Bush intervened, enacting a hastily drawn law that allowed the governor to order the feeding tube be reinserted.

Michael Schiavo has challenging the constitutionality of the governor's action. He contends his wife had said she did not want to be kept alive artificially before she suffered severe brain damage in 1990. Doctors have ruled she has been in a persistent vegetative state since, but her parents believe she is aware of her surroundings and could be rehabilitated.

Bush's attorney Ken Connor said a jury has to establish what Terri Schiavo's wishes were before a court can decide whether her private health care wishes were violated.

George Felos, Michael Schiavo's attorney, could not immediately be reached for comment.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; coma; cultureofdeath; drug; druginducedcoma; euthanasia; geiorgefelos; governorhebbush; guardianfromhell; hino; husbandfromhell; judgegreer; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; reallifeghouls; terri; terrischiavo
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To: pollywog
I'm sorry Polly. I would have scrolled past if I knew his answers to my questions were going to cause you pain. I was just curious if he would feel the same way if Terri could tell him she wanted to live. Most of us here probably have close contact with a disabled person and realize how important they are. I'm a nurse and have specialized in rehabilitation for about 15 years. I see some recover and some not as much but I really feel that God often gives his special children to special families that will love and take care of them.
181 posted on 11/19/2003 11:07:18 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: sweetliberty
I know you can't give a name but can you tell us where this e-mail came from?
182 posted on 11/19/2003 11:11:17 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: ruoflaw
Ping
183 posted on 11/19/2003 11:20:23 PM PST by Dixielander
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To: CindyDawg
Here's the email (from Florida - that's all I know)

Terri Is Being Sedated. Why?

The title says it all.

My Tampa Bay eyewitnesses report that Terri is being given drugs to sedate her. Why? Could it be for the same reasons that Rus Cooper-Dowda was sedated whenever she started to try to get people's attention that she was 'in there' ? "When I Woke Up..." . Rus is for real; a really smart cookie -- now thriving in St. Petersburg, Florida and doing the vigil thing for Terri. But her husband, too, was trying to do her in while she appeared - mind you, only 'appeared' comatose. What's with these 'spouses'? You should read Rus's story which is quite humorous and triumphant. Blah on the husband-doctor-would-be-murderer!

I mean, if Terri is really 'brain dead' and would not mind in the least a slow painful dehydration and starvation lingering death, she doesn't need any kind of sedation, you know. If she is being sedated it's because someone does not want to have her heard, or her reactions to stimuli noted. So if she is agitated, could be she is upset about something. I wonder what.

If anybody wants to help save Terri (and your granma', your daughter, your dad, your mom, your sister, your brother, and maybe even yourself in the future) from the wolves, write the Florida Senators and House Representatives. Terri's Fight. You can do it. They will listen. Jeb Bush did.

184 posted on 11/19/2003 11:20:24 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: Krodg
Southern Baptist

Hey, Were are cousins! ( I'm IB)

185 posted on 11/19/2003 11:21:45 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: sweetliberty
thank you so much for posting the link to When I woke up. I knew Rus had a story but had never read it till now. I had the pleasure of meeting rus last weekend and she is a normal person from what I see. A very intelligete woman with a true fight in her heart for terri....If we could get through the legal system wouldn't it be a God Blessing if Terri could get even half as far as Rus
186 posted on 11/19/2003 11:54:53 PM PST by fiesti
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Palpatine?
Is it a derivation of palpating
(as in sticking finger into it),
or Palatine (as back where the
great vomitorium was mandatory
installation), or a (how clever!)
composite (like sticking fingers
down one's throat to promulgate
banalities as contributions to
a forum rather than the vomitory)?


187 posted on 11/20/2003 12:37:41 AM PST by terrasol (The fool is not who does not know-- but who gives up a chance to grow)
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Heavenly Father, we return to give You thanks that there's so much stirring in the legal realm on behalf of this mother's child. Again, Father, we are made aware of the importance of righteous rule .. without it, the people are cheated and denied .. without it, lives are disrupted and disorganized and we go from pillar to post seeking relief. Forgive us, O God, for the inaction that has allowed our judiciary to become tyrants of assumed justice. Help us, Father, to reclaim the courts, for You would have those charged with such responsibility to rule wisely and well.

Go before the defenders of Terri into the courtroom, Lord, for they are David against Goliath. They appear before the judge with so little .. without fame and without fortune, representing one disabled woman on behalf of one ordinary family. They approach the bench with truth and hope and extraordinary love, but time and time again, they are turned away. May it be different this time, Father God ... for we know that You stand with Terri's legal team .. that You are the author of the love this family has for their own .. that You, alone, hold the life of Terri in Your hand, while those who rule and petition against her, think otherwise. Continue to be her Shield and Defender, as You have these many years. Turn the smooth flow of deadly language spoken by the merchants of death into a vile display of true intent .. may the people see and understand and recoil in horror, for we are witness to a planned, national murder. Uphold those who would defend her .. sweep away those who would harm her .. may this dear child soon rejoin the warmth of her family for days yet filled with happiness.

Thank You, Heavenly Father, for the blessings You have bestowed upon those who have rallied to Terri's side .. thank You that You have worked in the highest offices in Florida to put Terri's name before the world .. thank You that You have brought alongside legal and emotional and spiritual support for this family. Give clarity and conviction to her cause .. send confusion and fear to the merchants of death. We continue to uphold all that is Terri before You, Creator God .. the One, True, Righteous Judge. Bring to us, I pray, an earthly judge who will proclaim justice for this mother's child .. for the sake of Jesus, Amen ...

188 posted on 11/20/2003 12:43:21 AM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: sweetliberty
>>...if she is agitated, could be she is upset about something. I wonder what.


The other 'trick' the FeelLousy team knows about is giving
the patient 'prescription pain killers', like the stuff
Rush got hooked on. THEN, if they want her to seem like
a deranged idiot thats very agitated, remove her 'fix' 2 days
before an important test.

I remember some statements that said 'she feels no pain
but we give her prescription meds because it makes the staff
feel better', and when they were starving her,
I specifically remember 'morphine'
189 posted on 11/20/2003 12:52:44 AM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Chancellor Palpatine WRITES:

(I'd ask that you quit trying to exert pressure on Florida officials regarding a case in which you aren't involved and have no direct contact with the evidence - which none of you would be willing to do.

I guess I'll have to keep on second guessing your observations and meddling.)



DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH BUCKO, CITIZENS OF THE WORLD ARE UNITED , PRAYER WARRIORS TOO......

Trolls: Go back under the Bridge...
190 posted on 11/20/2003 3:18:08 AM PST by ZAKJAN
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To: editor-surveyor; sweetliberty; NYer; JulieRNR21
This is great news! I love the strategy being employed because it could cause light to be shed on many aspects of this case.
191 posted on 11/20/2003 3:23:00 AM PST by windchime
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To: pollywog
Plly- I agree with you and I understand what you are saying . I have worked with severly disabled peopel. I have worked wtih kids and adults wtih cerebral palsay.

Anyone who says tht these peopel, or evenmany peopel in a Coma , can not communicate is hogwash. CP doesn't understand that , because in order to communicate with someone in that condition, one has to think out of the box, believe in a life force, and have the ability to stop thinking only of themselves for as long as it takes to have a back and forth between two people.

IMO, CP is incapable of doing any of those things. He has shown us that numerous times on this forum.

Please do not let him bother you or upset you. I understand how you feel, but CP is in his own "prison" and he will never escape that until he meets his maker. That is for the two of them to decide what should happen to such a heartless, arrogant, crass person.

Please ignore him. .

193 posted on 11/20/2003 4:08:11 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: sweetliberty
I would think the biggest thing going against MS is that he waited an awful long time to 'remember' that Terri had said she would not not want to be kept alive.
194 posted on 11/20/2003 4:26:36 AM PST by ET(end tyranny) ( Deuteronomy 32:37 -- And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,)
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To: shhrubbery!; sweetliberty; Budge; KDubRN
Filed in Pinellas County Court, and you can get the information directly by doing the following:

1. log in as a "non-subscriber"
2. click, again, as a "non-subscriber"
3. click on "Civil/Small Claims Name/Case Lookup"
4. type in "SCHIAVO" (do NOT type in "Schiavo, Michael" or "Schiavo v. Bush" - it will not return any info).
5. Click, on the far left column under "Link To," the doc symbol on the line showing that MICHAEL SCHIAVO is a Plaintiff, in a DECLARATORY action, against BUSH (Case No. 03008212CI).

You will then be brought to where the legal documents filed with the case are presented in chronological order. At the bottom of the table, you may click "next page" for the next set of documents filed, in chronological order.

FYI, unless you are a subscriber, you are limited to 50 inquiries per day, per computer. It seems to me that each time you go to the "next page" is "another" inquiry....as it cut me off from viewing information rather quickly; it's a very limiting site for viewing public information, but it's still a good place to find information.

You must be a subscriber to view probate records, child support records, and other records. It may be worthwhile for some person/group to purchase a subscription (even for just a month) to research other information, such as the CHILD SUPPORT/PROBATE records on MikHell Schiavo, MS's parents (their wills, if they had them probated, might well be in Pinella Probate Court), and records on MS's girlfried, Jodi A. Centonze, f/k/a Jodi A. Blough, which are not available to non-subscribers, then post that info on FR. I lack funds right now to purchase one (cost: $60.00 per month), otherwise, I would certainly do so.

195 posted on 11/20/2003 4:59:47 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Budge; sweetliberty; KDubRN; No More Gore Anymore; CindyDawg; pollywog
Budge: 178 - I finally post what I think is a little zinger, only to discover CP has been banned.

That's the first thing I read when I logged on this a.m. Good news. I don't understand the mentality of those who post on threads which they claim are of no concern or interest to them, upon which they hurl insults and ridicule to the 99% who do post......bespeaks their lack of intelligence and, in the instant case, utter selfishness and human decency.

196 posted on 11/20/2003 5:16:35 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: sweetliberty
I hadn't seen/heard anything before about sedation, until you posted.....but it seems to me that Gov. Bush should also have this investigated/remedied before any further testing is done on Terri, if she's given a new trial on whether or not SHE would have wanted food and water removed from her so she could rather die than "live like that."
197 posted on 11/20/2003 5:22:37 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: sweetliberty
Which begs the question, "who is the one in a vegetative state and would he want to live like that?" Maybe we should cut off his food supply.


We have hashed that over in depth, and have even more planned if the guy ever ends up in one of our hospitals.
198 posted on 11/20/2003 5:24:52 AM PST by KDubRN
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To: sweetliberty
Jeb for President in '08.
199 posted on 11/20/2003 5:25:47 AM PST by samtheman
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To: msmagoo
yw. I was thinking the other night some posts seemed to be all fretting and "gloom and doom" because of how "Judges" Greer and Baird had ruled on Friday/Monday, etc. And just when it seemed that the roller coaster ride was going downhill, God brought it back up, once again, through Gov. Bush, in a way none of us had even considered. And once again, our spirits and hopes are raised. God, indeed, knows exactly what's going on. I do believe He's fighting for Terri and people like her, through Gov. Bush, through those who vigil around the hospital, and through each one of us.
200 posted on 11/20/2003 5:28:24 AM PST by nicmarlo
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