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Some Relevant Facts About the JFK Assassination
Newsmax ^ | 11/19/2003 | Phil Brennan

Posted on 11/18/2003 10:38:05 PM PST by Swordmaker

There's an explosive new book that lays out a very detailed – and persuasive – case for the probability that the late President Lyndon Baines Johnson was responsible for the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

I say persuasive because the author, Barr McClellan, was one of LBJ's top lawyers, and he provides a lot of information hitherto unknown to the general public – much more of which he says is buried in secret documents long withheld from the American people.

"The American public has waited forty years to hear the truth about the JFK assassination," McClellan says. "For government agencies to withhold critical evidence and not cooperate with the [1998 investigation conducted by the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB)] is a form of obstruction of justice. Under the requirements of the Freedom of Information Act, the public should be granted access to these documents."

According to McClellan and Doug Horne, a former ARRB investigator, hundreds of relevant documents were withheld from the 1998 investigation into the JFK assassination. They believe that these materials are now in the possession of the National Archives, relocated from sealed files previously controlled by the CIA and FBI.

McClellan also asked for a formal review of the evidence in his book, "Blood, Money & Power: How L.B.J. Killed J.F.K.," which establishes a direct connection between LBJ and an individual involved with the assassination and cover-up.

"At this time we need to see what else is missing and what else would be helpful to presenting the entire truth," McClellan continued. "The Senate Judiciary Committee and the Department of Justice could make the request of the National Archives and should do so."

Now, in normal circumstance I would tend to view this latest explanation of who was behind the killing of JFK as exactly that – just another theory among dozens. But the circumstances are not normal. Poll after poll establishes that an overwhelming majority of Americans believe that the official verdict of the Warren Commission is simply not borne out by what little is known publicly about the case.

McClellan's new book adds to those facts and names a second suspect he says was a longtime assassin for Lyndon Johnson, whom he portrays as ... well, as being homicidal whenever he or his many concealed interests were threatened.

Add to that the incredible inconsistencies in the FBI and Secret Service investigations, which reek with the stench of cover-up, and one can't escape the conclusion that if LBJ did nothing else in dealing with the aftermath of the assassination, he sure as hell clamped a lid on any evidence that contradicted the official finding that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman acting solely on his own initiative.

I report all of this as a prelude to revealing what I know about the matter but have never before written about – in the beginning, because I had a wife and seven children to protect, and since, because I had no reason to revisit the matter.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: assasination; conspiracy; jfk; jfkassassination; kennedy; lbj
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To: Shooter 2.5
Three people on the fifth floor heard the three shots and the three pieces of brass hit the floor.

No one is disputing that shots were fired from the sixth floor. The point in question is WHO fired them. If Oswald was the man standing in the entry at that moment, it could not have been him.

Of course, that may bring up another question... If Oswald WAS standing in the entry and witnessed the President of the United States just being assassinated, WHY would he have gone back into the building to buy a coke????

141 posted on 11/19/2003 8:38:10 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: Wolfstar; tpaine
The memories or claims that the large exit wound was in the rear of the president's head are flat wrong.

The actual doctors who treated him in the ER would not forget such things. This is far from the realm of possibility. Not even over time would someone who had cared for such a high profile victim forget this. I'll never believe that. His doctors were not "charlatans".

Even if this is true, I have always wondered why the bullet that hit the president's head exploded, while the "magic" one went through two human bodies and several bones, and was only slightly deformed.

As tpaine has pointed out, one of the bullets, from a different shooter in the front, was probably a fragmenting bullet. One man doing some research on this believes that he has determined the shot from the front came from a manhole along the street in front of the grassy knoll, which would fit with the upward explosion of the head.

And yes, tpaine, it's all very easily understood if people would just open their minds to other possibilities. At this point, my mind is open to everything but the Warren Commission.

I hope others are able to watch all the episodes of the History Channel series running this week. Another 3 parts tonight, which were not ones I had seen earlier in the week, so 9 hours so far, which I think was all of it. The 3 hours tonight repeat again in a few minutes.

As for believing the Zapruder film is the ultimate truth, I don't know what to think now. I see there's a new book out that claims this film itself was altered during the 8 or 10 years or whatever it was that it was withheld from the public.

It looks like we'll never know the truth about any of this. Though I'm happy that so many people are working in their own areas of expertise to try to solve bits and pieces of it.

There were so many different factions that wanted to do JFK harm that it's a toss-up who's ultimately responsible for his death. I hope the crime is solved someday.

142 posted on 11/19/2003 8:51:09 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Swordmaker
I could believe that Johnson had something to do with it, I could also believe that Oswald was a lone gunman, and I could believe that there was a mob hit or a CIA conspiracy. The one thing that doesn't appear in any conspiracy theory is the FACT that Jack Kennedy was suffering from Addison's disease. In the 60s that was fatal in it's most chronic form, which, by all indications, he had. Addison's disease is now a treatable disease but in the 60s it was fatal as the age of the patient progressed. Kennedy was a healthy man otherwise, but the Addison's disease would slowly, but surely, dehabilitate him and eventually kill him.

If he was in the advanced stages of the disease, and knew that fact, could he have wanted to commit suicide? His catholic faith would not allow that, but an assasination would. This is only a speculation, and a round about one at that. Even if he wanted to die a hero I doubt seriously that he would have left the nation to Lyndon Johnson, a well known political crook and socialist. Jack, for all his faults, was a pretty good American. He sure as the devil wasn't a Clinton. Sure, he flandered but he didn't give up our freedom and the job he had to do. He did a job that was expected of a President, and he did it to the best of his ability. I'll give Jack that much. He, by no means, was the best President we ever had, he was the guy that died in office being a most popular President. His tax cuts were good, the Bay of Pigs was bad, the missle crisis was good (but if he had not wimped in the Bay of Pigs there wouldn't have been a Cuban Missle Crisis in the first place). All things considered he was a decent President. He did want equal rights for blacks, but he didn't fight very hard for it (his southern democrats intimidated him too much). He was ....alright, I guess.

I'm going to quit rambling here, it's late and I must go hit the sack. My message is this: there are a thousand theories, I'm adding one more, any of them could be true, or a combination could be true. I'd love to know the truth but we are the people, the powerful will never let us know. Sometimes though, we get dangerously close to the truth.

143 posted on 11/19/2003 8:53:40 PM PST by timydnuc (qFR)
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To: mtbopfuyn
"That's a slam dunk!"

Sure, and Teddy, Bobby, and the whole Kennedy clan allowed LBJ to sit at JFK's desk and never a peep out of them for 40 years?

The comment was on the fact that the fingerprint from Wallace was identified with 34 matching points of congruence. European courts accept as absolute proof of identity 16 matching points... some courts require a couple more.

The following quotation is from a qualified expert source material:

A single unexplained difference between the two prints is enough to guarantee that they come from difference sources. But how many agreeing points must we have before we can guarantee that the prints come from the same source? This has been the subject of some debate. Most European courts require 16 minutiae, a few countries require more. In America, the testimony of a fingerprint expert is sufficient to legally establish a match, regardless of the number of matching minutiae, although defense lawyers will often hammer away at an expert who introduces evidence with fewer than 10 matching points.

Keogh, E. An Overview of the Science of Fingerprints. Anil Aggrawal's Internet Journal of Forensic Medicine and Toxicology, 2001; Vol. 2, No. 1 (January-June 2001): http://anil299.tripod.com/vol_002_no_001/papers/paper005.html; Published January 8, 2001.

The fingerprint expert examined the fingerprints of Mac Wallace and the latent fingerprint found in the sniper's nest without knowing anything about the source of either sample. His conclusion was that the latent print had 34 points of congruence with the left pinky finger of the sample on the card... Mac Wallace's fingerprint.

That, my friend, is a "slam dunk!"

Politics makes strange bedfellows.

144 posted on 11/19/2003 9:12:07 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: Shooter 2.5
I've known people who believe all the above. And a lot more besides.
145 posted on 11/19/2003 10:09:51 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Shooter 2.5
And you know what color the shirts are from looking at a black and white photograph?

No, but you can tell a buttoned up, vertically wide-striped shirt from an unbuttoned plaid shirt with an undershirt showing.

146 posted on 11/20/2003 12:57:42 AM PST by Swordmaker
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To: Hatteras
(keep in mind, the Zapruder film was also colored to enhance the final shot and show the "spray" more clearly)

This parenthetical aside is a little confusing to me. What do you mean by "colored"? The original Zapruder film was photographed in color... specifically 8mm Kodachrome II color film.

147 posted on 11/20/2003 1:05:17 AM PST by Swordmaker
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To: Prince Charles
Bump
148 posted on 11/20/2003 1:38:51 AM PST by laredo44
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To: Az Joe
Most likely scenario: Oswald did it, alone.

Motive? If you believe Oswald acted alone, you must believe Jack Ruby acted alone despite evidence that he, too, was part of a conspiracy.

149 posted on 11/20/2003 1:51:11 AM PST by laredo44
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To: mtbopfuyn
Sure, and Teddy, Bobby, and the whole Kennedy clan allowed LBJ to sit at JFK's desk and never a peep out of them for 40 years?

Actually Bobby was also murdered less than five years later just after a victory in the California primary that might have propelled him to the Presidency. From there he could have re-opened the investigation without interference from Lyndon. Having two brothers murdered in less than five years may have been enough to silence Teddy and the rest of the clan.

150 posted on 11/20/2003 2:15:06 AM PST by laredo44
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To: laredo44
Farewell America: The Plot to Kill JFK (a book that the FBI kept out of the U.S. for decades) apparently in part reflects the results of an investigation of the assassination of JFK that Daniel Patrick Moynihan conducted for Robert Kennedy.
151 posted on 11/20/2003 4:39:45 AM PST by aristeides
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To: truth_seeker
Damage to the country if it were nade public that the assassination was in fact a coup...

Possible lack of incontravertible evidence...

Anyone who rises to the level that Ford did in American politics does so only through the sale of his soul to the devil, regardless of party.

152 posted on 11/20/2003 4:57:30 AM PST by wtc911
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To: Swordmaker
The Zapruder film's color was enhanced to better trace the "spray" on the headshot. This was discussed in one of the many episodes of "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" on the History Channel.
153 posted on 11/20/2003 5:05:17 AM PST by Hatteras (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Swordmaker
Lovelady said he was in the doorway for the entire motorcade. He was surrounded by his co-workers. The picture shows Lovelady when you look at the side by side comparisons. If's pretty silly to argue over a shirt when the faces are entirely different.

If you think that it's Oswald, find a sworn testimony from one of the co-workers that claim it was Oswald or post the side by side comparison and look for yourself.
154 posted on 11/20/2003 5:57:15 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: truth_seeker
Amazing how many similarities there are between Johnson and Clinton in terms of the way they conduct politics.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least to hear that LBJ whacked Kennedy.

Given the number of people who died around the Clinton's, it also would not surprise me to find out that both facts (LBJ whacking Kennedy and Clinton whacking a whole bunch of people) would be fairly well understood in WDC, but seldom talked about.
155 posted on 11/20/2003 6:07:25 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: Shooter 2.5
Thinking entrepreneurially, why don't we do the following.

Let's declare Oswald the fastest, sharpest shooter in history. Our times Michael Jordan of rifle sharpshooting.

Each year, we can have a tournament - The Oswald Challenge, or maybe the JFK Memorial.

Shooters fire from a platform six stories high and fires at a moving target through a tree planted in the shooters line of fire. The man who scores two hits in 8.1 seconds wins a million dollars.

The tourney could be held yearly until there is a winner. The million would accrue interest until a shooter performs the feat. They have to use a mail order Italian bolt action rifle and ammunition for the same.

I'd watch. I think it would be good entertainment AND excellent ongoing forensic evidence refuting a ridiculous conclusion - that Oswald acted alone.
156 posted on 11/20/2003 6:30:17 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs
Firearms owners do stuff like that all the time. The problem is re-creating the assassination of a President. It's bad PR.

There is even a Quigley match. That's where the owners of the gun range figure out the speed of a horse, calculated the distance by timing the running of the horse in the movie.

They then put out a steel plate the size of the bucket and shoot at it with rolling blocks, falling blocks and trapdoors.

There was also a re-creation of the Billy Dixon Shot. After reading about people who know how to shoot, it's pretty stupid to think we have to explain a shot at less then a hundred yards with a scope.

I shoot regularly at clay birds at 65 yards with handguns standing up. It's easy. If you care to see the movies, I can Freepmail you the evidence.
157 posted on 11/20/2003 6:38:57 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: RinaseaofDs
I forgot to mention.

If you post a million dollars for anyone to duplicate the shot, could I be the first shooter?

I would hate to be the second and lose that million dollars.
158 posted on 11/20/2003 6:42:14 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Swordmaker
I remember an episode of "King of the Hill" where Hank was wooing a potential customer from Boston. During the show, Hank quoted something from Johnson - the Yankee responded
by saying ... "Your Johnson killed our Kennedy." I was stunned.
159 posted on 11/20/2003 6:48:53 AM PST by tang-soo
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To: Shooter 2.5
I've seen that diagram of the skull you've posted a couple of times, and I'm always a bit puzzled by it, but I frankly don't know much about it, so maybe you can clear it up for me.

In the diagram you posted, the projectile enters at the rear of the skull and exits near the right front temple. However, Oswald was supposedly stationed to the rear and right of Kennedy. It seems to me that, even if the projectile was fired from the rear, and not the front, it would have had to been fired from the rear and to the LEFT of the President in order to follow the path of the projectile that is indicated in the diagram.

Am I wrong about this? If Oswald would have been firing from the right, wouldn't it have blown out the LEFT temple of the President's skull?
160 posted on 11/20/2003 7:04:48 AM PST by Viva Le Dissention
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