Some Relevant Facts About the JFK Assassination

Newsmax ^ | 11/19/2003 | Phil Brennan

[Swordmaker]

There's an explosive new book that lays out a very detailed – and persuasive – case for the probability that the late President Lyndon Baines Johnson was responsible for the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

I say persuasive because the author, Barr McClellan, was one of LBJ's top lawyers, and he provides a lot of information hitherto unknown to the general public – much more of which he says is buried in secret documents long withheld from the American people.

"The American public has waited forty years to hear the truth about the JFK assassination," McClellan says. "For government agencies to withhold critical evidence and not cooperate with the [1998 investigation conducted by the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB)] is a form of obstruction of justice. Under the requirements of the Freedom of Information Act, the public should be granted access to these documents."

According to McClellan and Doug Horne, a former ARRB investigator, hundreds of relevant documents were withheld from the 1998 investigation into the JFK assassination. They believe that these materials are now in the possession of the National Archives, relocated from sealed files previously controlled by the CIA and FBI.

McClellan also asked for a formal review of the evidence in his book, "Blood, Money & Power: How L.B.J. Killed J.F.K.," which establishes a direct connection between LBJ and an individual involved with the assassination and cover-up.

"At this time we need to see what else is missing and what else would be helpful to presenting the entire truth," McClellan continued. "The Senate Judiciary Committee and the Department of Justice could make the request of the National Archives and should do so."

Now, in normal circumstance I would tend to view this latest explanation of who was behind the killing of JFK as exactly that – just another theory among dozens. But the circumstances are not normal. Poll after poll establishes that an overwhelming majority of Americans believe that the official verdict of the Warren Commission is simply not borne out by what little is known publicly about the case.

McClellan's new book adds to those facts and names a second suspect he says was a longtime assassin for Lyndon Johnson, whom he portrays as ... well, as being homicidal whenever he or his many concealed interests were threatened.

Add to that the incredible inconsistencies in the FBI and Secret Service investigations, which reek with the stench of cover-up, and one can't escape the conclusion that if LBJ did nothing else in dealing with the aftermath of the assassination, he sure as hell clamped a lid on any evidence that contradicted the official finding that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman acting solely on his own initiative.

I report all of this as a prelude to revealing what I know about the matter but have never before written about – in the beginning, because I had a wife and seven children to protect, and since, because I had no reason to revisit the matter.

[Hatteras]

"...And Oswald missed one shot out of three."

Actually, being that his first shot also missed, I would not be inclined to believe he hit the target on the ensuing shots. I say "missed" on his first shot because it was the shortest distance and he had the most time to prep this shot and I don't think he was aiming for JFK's neck.

[pepsionice]

So where did Mac Wallace end up after that day?

[Old Professer]

Your graphic shows an angle of 17.5 degrees; that would mean a point of origin for the bullet at 83.45 feet above the ground on the third and fatal shot.

How high was the window ledge on the 6th floor?

[Old Professer]

3 people on the floor below the shooter heard the brass hit the floor? What sort of interstitial is in that building? Zero?

[chudogg]

Because he was shot in the back and exited his throat. He then leans forward and grabs his throat, this can be seen in the Zapruder film

[Hatteras]

"I look at the photographs and I read the interviews of the people who were the closest to the shots."

"Three people on the fifth floor heard the three shots and the three pieces of brass hit the floor."

Fair enough, but what about the fellow who was a serviceman on leave and he hit the dirt when he felt a shot ring right past his ear? He was up by the wall over the grassy knoll? They also had another interview with a deaf guy that saw two men up in the parking area directly behind the grassy knoll? One man handed a "railroad worker" a gun, straightened his jacket and walked off into the crowd. The railroad guy broke down the gun and put it in a tool box and he also disappeared into the crowd.

The point is that I wasn't there and you weren't there so we have to rely on second, third and fourth hand accounts. Every year at this time I read reports about the latest or even rehashed "facts" about the assasination and what I find interesting is that every year I hear something that I have never heard before. It's hard to discount any of it because I was not there. But my gut tells me that Lee Harvey didn't have the expertise to pop off three rounds in that time frame with that gun on a moving (away) target. My jury is still out on who else was involved.

[mtbopfuyn]

Anyone who has fired a rifle knows that this was an exceptionally difficult shot: not because of distance, nor necessarily that JFK was both moving AND accelerating--but because the angle was DOWN.

This is yet another thing people who haven't been actually been at the site don't understand or refuse to take into account. That particular area of the plaza is a triangle with 3 streets and on a hill. The limo turned left in front of the book depository and immediately travelled down the hill and began a curve away from Oswald. The car was not the only moving target but the passengers were also moving to avoid getting hit, jumping/startled by the noise, and/or jerking and slumping over. And on top of everything else, Oswald would have had to be leaning out the window because the car had already passed. If anything, Oswald had a much easier shot when the car was still on Houston Street before turning onto Elm. He would have had a minute or more to sight in and fire straight on and the car was headed directly towards him. Taking the hit on Elm just doesn't make sense.

[tpaine]

"--- They assert that he fired and missed at right around frame 160 of the Zapruder film. However, in order to accept this claim, we would have to believe that for his first and closest shot Oswald completely missed, not only Kennedy, but the entire limousine. This would have been a truly staggering miss ---"

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Staggering indeed as this same 'miss' was demonstrated to have hit the curb way down by the underpass injuring a bystander.
NO one could inadvertently 'pull' an aimed first shot that far up & to the right.. -- Ergo - its more likely a missed third shot hit the curb..

Which doesn't square with the single shooter timeline..
Which shoots down the single bullet theory.
Which makes the Commissions supporters look like clowns.

-- So they post to threads like this, growing ever more fanatical in their denials. As fanatical as some of the far out conspiracy kooks.
-- Its very amusing.

[Lee'sGhost]

Thank you. You must have seen the HC last night as well.

[Zack Nguyen]

Yes, and why not shoot at the President as his car is approaching you before it makes the sharp turn, instead of waiting until the car is moving away from you?

[Ronin]

You will wait forever for the truth. I don't know what it is, but you can bet that there are pieces that will never see the light of day. Not ever.

[Spirited]

He is talking about the same FBI that was willing to "fudge" and compose evidence in other matters. They say what they are told to conclude.
The NRA cozies to whatever aids it's continued existence. (An attitude that is epidemic in our nation for most organizations.)
Can you tell that I have lived inside the DC beltway for over 40 years?

When someone does such a shooting in the face of an impartial group of upright marksmen from differing viewpoints on the JFK killing the public may be willing to credit that the act was the work of one person. There are too many Nam snipers around for this thing to gain credibility. We have fewer and fewer gullible people with every passing day. There are still, however, those who are paid to lead the gullible--used to be called "Judas goats".

Don't know how they can get around a picture of Oswald in a downstairs doorway, however......Or account for the alien Wallace print. But each group is paid to back it's own segment of imaginary "truth".

[Shooter 2.5]

It fits the 313 frame.

[Shooter 2.5]

And you know what color the shirts are from looking at a black and white photograph?

[Shooter 2.5]

I've been in commercial buildings such as that. You could see the lower floor from the cracks in the flooring.

You are correct as far as how thick the planking is, though.

What I left out was they described the dust falling on their heads with each shot.

[Shooter 2.5]

It's lower than I thought. Apparently that's why he set up the boxes to use as a steady rest. I learn something everytime you people ask me something. Thanks.

[Shooter 2.5]

Fair enough.

Now show me a picture of that serviceman on the grassy knoll. There should be all kinds of pictures of him standing next to the fence. There is a picture that someone uses to put tourist guy in the picture. You can use that one. As you can see, everytime someone asks me a question, I try to back it up with evidence.

Your turn.

[Shooter 2.5]

Can you tell me why you're lying about Oswald being in a doorway?

Lovelady's testimony and the interviews with his co-workers plus side by side picture all show that what you're claiming is far from the truth.

Retire that old chestnut.

[Doctor Stochastic]

I have. I'm not even an sharpshooter. I know many hunters who could do that well.

[Lee'sGhost]

Actually you're right on that one, but you still ignore all the other points.