FOX News Channel's JFK: Case Not Closed

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[Destro]

JFK: Case Not Closed

Tuesday, October 28, 2003

On Sunday, Nov. 16, FOX News Channel will present a one-hour special commemorating the 40th anniversary of President Kennedy's assassination.

Join Greta Van Susteren for FOX News Channel's anniversary special — JFK: Case Not Closed .

One week after President John F. Kennedy (search) was assassinated, a nation-wide poll revealed that 62% of Americans believed a conspiracy was involved. And now, 40 years later? What do we believe?

A recent FOX News poll found that many Americans today do not believe Lee Harvey Oswald (search) was a lone gunman. And there may be some evidence to prove it...

President Kennedy's assassination may have turned Dealey Plaza (search) into the world's most famous crime scene, but in 1963 — crime scene investigation was not a sophisticated forensic science.

Cops made some surprising mistakes — mistakes that led to confusion for the investigators and fodder for conspiracy theorists.

Our special will examine the forensic evidence, the autopsy and the single bullet theory, including accounts from the people who were there.

You'll watch footage never before seen on TV and hear eyewitness testimony from people who've never spoken about it until now...

It's a one-hour special on American history that you don't want to miss... only on FOX News Channel.

[tpaine]

--- Why aren't you offended that our govenrment killed our president on a city street in Dallas? What's with it with you people?
117 -Iwo-

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Good question.
You will ~never~ get a valid answer..


Some here defend the Warren Commission as if it were a patriotic obligation. -- Weird obsession, more odd than that of some of the conspiracy buffs, imo.

[MattAMiller]

How did JFK's blood and brain matter get sprayed all over the motorcycle cop riding behind and to the left of JFK's car other than due to a shot from the right front?

The tape clearly shows blood spraying from the front of his head what do you make of that?

What happened is that our government killed our president on a public street in Dallas and very few people care to know the truth.

There's actually quite an industry built around selling various conspiracy theories.

[PLMerite]

The motorcycle cop said he drove through a cloud of blood and brains (I just heard him say that on the Fox special). Remember, the limo was accelerating.

[Tall_Texan]

For anyone who didn't watch Greta's one-hour special, the "new evidence" was really old evidence. The controversial dictabelt tape at DPD headquarters which some claim has the accoustic markings of four shots was updated and modified although it still sounds like what was presented to the House Committee back in the 1970s. Critics of the evidence claim there was a single-chime bell heard on the tape and no such bell exists around Dealey Plaza. What they turn up is a movie taken in Dealey Plaza in 1964 that has sound and also picks up the same bell tone when the clock hits 1 o'clock. Of course, Kennedy was shot at 12:30 p.m. Doesn't really change my mind about anything.

The other "new evidence" was a guy who had access to some of the physical bullet fragments and found fibers on them. The fibers were DNA tested and they claim it is actually skin that matches JFK. Well, nobody's debating that JFK wasn't shot (even the kooks on both sides can agree on who got shot) so I don't know what this new evidence adds to the conversation.

So if you are worried you missed anything new, you didn't.

[KC_Conspirator]

I have not read Posner's book, but I only testified to his character.

As for my theory, I believe that it was the mafia who killed JFK. They had the motive since they helped him through back channels to rig elections in WV and IL (at the behest of the old man) to get him in the White House only to find JFK and Bobby persecuting them later.

A couple of years ago it came out the Kennedys were still running a Castro assasination effort out of the AG's office where officially they were supposed to have disbanded efforts because of promises made to the Soviets. These assassination teams came from seedy parts of the world, thugs, militants, etc.. They just used the setup to kill JFK instead. So what the mafia did was get Oswald to shoot from one angle while discreetly getting another shooter in position. Afterwards, it would be hard to implicate these assassination teams since they came from their own illegal program. One conspiracy buff, and I cant recall his name, believes he tracked the assassins back to southern Europe. David Horowitz also shares my opinion.

I also believe that Oswald could have made the shots from his position. Its not imposssible as some claim and has been proven in tests.

[Iwo Jima]

I don't know that spray was coming from the front as opposed to spewing all over when the back of JFK's head was blown off by a head shot from the front. "Spray" doesn't matter to me as much as the brain matter,etc.

There was brain, blood, and gore all over the motorcycle cop riding to the left and rear of JFK. The cop had a piece of JFK's brain hanging from his lip . There were motorcycle cops all around, why was this one the only one to have this stuff deposited on him? Were Nellie and John Connelly doused?

The back of JFK's skull was blown out onto the back of the car. The autopsy photos show brain matter coming out the back of his head where there is no skull. The front is unblemished.

The Zapruder film shows JFK going slightly forward while clutching his throat (small entry wound from the front evident before tracheostomy)but then being violently slammed backwards as the back of his head is taken off.

The sightseers on the grass between the street and the "grassy knoll" (I hate that phrase!) which included combat veterans were convinced that the shots came from behind them from the knoll. Motorcycle cops and other people from the crowd ran up there. This is not to say that people farther up Elm Street didn't think that they hear shots from that side of the street and rightly so. Shots came from multiple direction, as is common in a triangulation shooting.

I have trouble taking seriously anyone who will not concede that at lease one shot, the kill shot, and possibly more, come from the front, while at least one shot and possibly more came from the rear.

[Iwo Jima]

What tests do you know about that prove that Oswald could have made the shot? Aren't you concerned that no one else have ever (to my knowledge) actually made the three shots that Oswald is supposed to have made? Many have tried but it's really an impossible feat.

[Iwo Jima]

You are correct that there was not much new to people who have studied the assassination, but probably 90% of the people who watched the show had never heard any of it before.

I was confused about the new bullet fragment evidence. Which fragments of which bulllet was he talking about? If this was supposed to be a bullet which passed through JFK and Connelly, then the fact that it only has JFK's DNA or fabric fibers on it could be important. I just didn't get his point, but I don't claim that that means that he had no point to make.

[Iwo Jima]

Please see my post #126.

[BamaFan]

I'm guessing you're not a hunter

[BamaFan]

Tie a watermelon to a pole, shoot it, and record the reaction to the jet-propelled slush going out the exit wound

[BamaFan]

See one of my other posts: do an experiment - tie a watermelon to a pole, shoot it, and record it's motion on film

[Non-Sequitur]

You can't. It is physically and logically impossible. You won't even try to address these hard facts.

Nonsense. Anyone who has done any photography is familiar with examples of stop-motion photography such as this sequence of an apple being hit by a bullet:

Note the impact of the bullet hitting the apple to the right and the amount of spray ejected in the direction from which the bullet came.

[Non-Sequitur]

And I just don't buy that one bullet made all of those wounds and then came out round on the stretcher.

It didn't come out round. Look at picture of the 'pristine bullet'

Look at how it is flattened on one side. What kind of force would be needed to do that?

[Iwo Jima]

I posted this on another thread and thought that it might be of interest to you.

Craig Roberts, a Vietnem and police sniper, wrote a book called "Kill Zone" in which he said that it could not be done. Roberts was in Dallas for a conference, had some time to kill, and wondered over to Dealey Plaza. He had always just assumed that the Warren Commission version was true. At that time, you could go right up to the "sniper's nest" window. Now it's encased in plexiglass, and you can't get near it.

Anyway, Roberts walked up to the window, took one look, and his world came crashing down. He knew that no one, not him, not any professional sniper that he had ever known could make the 3 shots that Oswald had to have made. And, yes, he tried to duplicate the shots but couldn't even come close. As far I know, no one ever has.

Roberts then walked the grounds and mapped how he would have done this job. He would use the classic triangulation of three shooters. Two shooters would be on the rooftops of two buidings -- the Dal-Tex building and I think some County records building. The last, "kill" shot would be from the stockade fence on the "grassy knoll." He said that he wouldn't put anyone in the Depository unless just to fire diversionary shots or lookout.

Roberts went into a lot of detail about the physics of why the shots Oswald was supposed to have made were impossible -- high-to-low angle formulas, and how gravity has such an effect on that steep downward shot that you have to redo your sites with every shot which is impossible to do for a target moving away in what? less than 6 seconds? With a bad rifle, through leaves on the trees, etc., etc.

[Iwo Jima]

Looks like you're proving my point that "spray" doesn't mean much. In your photos, the bullet comes from what we'll call the front of the apple (entrance wound), but the more meaty contents go out the rear (exit wound). How does this not coincide with what I have been saying?

[Non-Sequitur]

How does this coincide with your claim that it would be impossible for someone behind Kennedy to be hit by spray? Obviously there would have been spray and since the shot that entered Kennedy's head did so at a downward angle, not at a clean 90 degree angle like with the apple, wouldn't that increase the amount of spray?

[laredo44]

My own conspiracy is far kookier than most. Not only wouldn't I be surprised to find out Lyndon Johnson had something to do with JFK's death, I wouldn't be surprised to find him behind Bobby's as well.

[Iwo Jima]

You have me confused with someone else. I never said that it is impossible for someone behind Kennedy to be hit by spray. I've said about a dozen times that someone behind JFK WAS hit with spray AND blood AND brain.

And where did you get the notion that the kill shot that hit Kennedy's head or any shot for that matter came from a downward angle? The autopsy photos show a rather level shot. Perhaps you're only assuming a downward angle by assuming that Oswald was the one and only gunman and he was shooting from the Depository. I think that the kill shot was pretty close to a 90 degree angle, although it could have been slightly upward or downward from the front.

[Jhensy]

Case Closed is absolutely convincing. I, too, was a former conspiracy buff. I also used to be a Santa Claus and Easter Bunny buff.

ANY criminal case has its odd events, you can play this crap with the OJ case too (why DIDN'T that glove fit properly???? Didn't the lead cop once cryptically say something derogatory about black people? Hmmmm...), but the amount of hard evidence damning Oswald is SO overwhelming its ridiculous.

The amount of hard evidence proving a second shooter is ...completely non-existent. No weapon, no fingerprints, no photos, no shells, no bullet fragments anywhere behind the limo, etc.