Origins of the Fourth World War

Nyquist ^ | 4-28-2003 | J.R.Nyquist

[Indie]

At least one other communist bloc defector (Jan Sejna) confirmed that Moscow had contemplated collapsing the Warsaw Pact in order to undermine NATO. That made me sit up and take notice. In fact, it got me to thinking about the deeper significance of lying to the world while aiming thousands of nuclear weapons at the United States. Lying is related to killing. It is often a proof of enmity. It undermines peace and destroys relationships. In the end it leads to a harvest of sorrow. I reasoned that Moscow’s deception strategy would succeed up to a point. But lies are always exposed in the end. The only certain effect of the strategy would be to weaken the West and disorient policy. This would open a window for a military attack following a period of subversion, economic sabotage and proxy terrorism. It was my tentative conclusion, after carefully considering the consequences of deception strategy in an age of mass destruction weapons, that by committing themselves to this policy the Kremlin was inadvertently choosing nuclear war. Once the deception was on the brink of exposure, once the evil scheme had run its course, there would be the Devil to pay. Russia would be led, bit by bit, into accepting the logic of a first strike. In fact, Russia's generals were already behind such a scheme. That much was obvious to me in 1987, even before the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Now it is 2003. We can look back and see how things have played out. We can see the newly emerging Russian belligerence. We can see KGB Lt. Col. Putin’s pretended friendship for President Bush and Russia's poorly hidden military alliance with Red China. There can be no question for honest students of current affairs. Things have developed in the direction forecast by Golitsyn, in the direction of a resurgent communist bloc, and everyone can see that military tensions are on the rise.

[Indie]

Of interest......

[Matthew James]

This guy's a nut.

[BullDog108]

ping!

[Indie]

That's why I posted "of interest"...it seemed a little far-fetched to me. They wouldn't need to go to all the trouble anyway.

[meenie]

Yeah, but what if he is right? Can you explain the innocence of China signing a military alliance with the Russians and the Russians selling China their latest missile cruisers? What enemy is the build-up in technology and weapons meant to contain or attack? It surely isn't Luxembourg or Puerto Rico. China has the capability to destroy Tiawan if it wasn't for the protection of the United States.

The EU has tried to distance itself from the United States involvement in Iraq. Would it rise to the defense of the US if push came to shove? They don't seem to be very reliable at the present time. I hope Mr. Nyquist's theory never comes to pass, but as far as saying his is a nut, I think it better to keep a wary eye on some developments happening in the world.

[Alter Kaker]

Ha! Soviet Union collapsed because THAT was what America was least expecting. Maybe this logic will get Yassir Arafat to commit suicide - Sharon will be caught by surprise.

[Wilhelm Tell]

I think the truth is simpler: The Soviet Union could no longer afford an empire, and, finally, the Soviet Union could no longer afford itself. Gorbachev tried to make the system less dysfunctional, but it was too little too late. Reagan helped to hasten the end of the old system by a decade or two, but the whole thing would have eventually collapsed anyways or self-destructed in a catastrophic war. Indeed, Reagan was one of the few world leaders who understood just how vulnerable the system was and that the communists were not invincible.

Just because the Soviet Union is no more does not mean that Russia will always happily follow along with America. Nations have had conflicting interests long before communism. Russia is also under the threat of terrorism, and Russia has a history of having close ties with China, being estranged from China, and so on. Come to think about it, America has had a similar relationship with China. If there had been some magical secret handshake that would have solved their problems, there would still be a Soviet empire.

[liberty or death]

Not a nut just a hypothetical scenario based on certain facts that add up to WWIV to him.
We see people trying to figure out where its going to come from everyday and toot the "sky is falling".
WWIV is as inevitable as mans desire for power, sex and money.
When and where is just a foolish guessing game.

[fourdeuce82d]

The Soviet Union could no longer afford an empire, and, finally, the Soviet Union could no longer afford itself. Gorbachev tried to make the system less dysfunctional, but it was too little too late..."

HAH! you've fallen for the oldest trick in the book- the "Perfectly Simulated Melt Down Which Cripples Your Contry In Order to Lull Your Opponents Into A False Sense of Security" charade.

Next, I expect you'll be asking us to believe that Hitler is dead, and the Wermacht is actually NOT biding it's time in secret facilities beneath the Antartic ice cap... /sarcasm

I think the sentence you wrote above sums it up perfectly...but don't expect logic to have much of an effect in this discussion.

[Wilhelm Tell]

HAH! you've fallen for the oldest trick in the book- the "Perfectly Simulated Melt Down Which Cripples Your Conutry In Order to Lull Your Opponents Into A False Sense of Security" charade.

Now that you are on to the trick, I will have to report you to the Communist that is hiding under my bed, LOL!

[Hoplite]

Who's he hiding from?

That's what I hate about these conspiracy theories - they ultimately never make sense in the end.

What I hate even more, however, is people who pour cold water on conspiracy theories in order to remove them from the public's radar, thus ensuring a dropping of the guard in preparation for their nefarious culmination.

I guess what they said at Langley's numerology department was true: The 10th post on a thread is twice as likely to be from a 5th columnist.

[mikegi]

I think the truth is simpler: The Soviet Union could no longer afford an empire, and, finally, the Soviet Union could no longer afford itself. Gorbachev tried to make the system less dysfunctional, but it was too little too late.

No, no, no, you've got it all wrong. In the 1950s, it became clear to the US that we couldn't defeat the USSR itself in a war. It was suicidal with the rise of nuclear weapons. So we decided the only way to defeat them was via an "inside job". We searched for suitable candidates and selected Gorbachev. We cultivated him for decades, helped his rise to power in 1985, then he collapsed the USSR for us.

The USSR came to a similar realization in the 1960s. The only way to defeat the USA was through an inside job. They found a suitable candidate, carefully cultivated him, paired him with another agent, and helped them in their rise to power. This operation was so secret that not even our own mole, Gorbachev, knew about it. Unfortunately for the Soviets, their agents were seven years too late.

[Destro]

The most stupid thing I have ever read-right up there with the moon landings were faked crap.

[Indie]

Actually not quite as far out as fake moon landings...LOL>

[JudgemAll]

not that nations after nations keep falling under communist thugs or their accomplices... from SouthAfrica to Congo to Brasil to Equador Venezuela... sheesh, yep, the communist empire has fallen except for China, Cuba, North Korea, Syria and myriads of others popping up.

ah the pesky theory when it is actualy happening...

[JudgemAll]

We know it is hocuspocus when Putin toasts publicly to Stalin... (Sarcasm)

[Kudsman]

bump

[SauronOfMordor]

Indeed, Reagan was one of the few world leaders who understood just how vulnerable the system was and that the communists were not invincible.

The US has its vulnerabilities too. The welfare state is a magnet to all the poor and uneducated of the world, while governmental regulation is driving more and more business offshore. The collapse here will happen eventually

[gcruse]

That guy better be careful. He might gaze plumb through his navel and do serious damage to what he uses for a brain.

[Noswad]

There is nothing wrong with the main idea behind the excerpt from Nyquist above... What are we afraid of? What makes one say he's a nut?

The first paragraph is opinion and a plenty valid one considering how he came to it during the late 80s. Having read Senja myself, I'd have to agree that a serious case can be made about the Soviet Deception Nyquist is describing.

As for the facts of today, the list of newly reestablished soviet-era policies is long and VERY real.