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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 8 -10
Various | November 7, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/07/2003 7:54:47 PM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Thread 6 - November 8-10, 2003)
(Link back to thread 5 - Nov. 5-7)

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Contained in Thread 4:

Link to article on Michael Schiavo from hometown newspaper, information on death by starvation and dehydration, information on hospice eligibility and hospice and medicare/medicaid fraud, e-mail address for Judge Greer, transcript of Larry King Live interview with Michael Schiavo and George Felos, Terri's address at the hospice and the address for the foundation, to send cards for Terri's birthday (December 3), transcript of O'Reilly interview with Kate Adamson, e-mail addresses for Florida legislature, transcript of Abrams Report interview with George Felos and Pam Anderson, transcription of Terri's bone scan, legalese for dummies version of Gov. Bush's motion to dismiss Sciavo's suit against the Constitutionality of Terri's Law, link to FatherOfLiberty's research on HBOT (Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy), links to ACLJ involvement in Schiavo case and Father Rob Johansen's daily update.

There are four other relevant posts that I want to highlight here in case anyone missed them or didn't get pinged. These are a general Terri thread troll alert, an especially thoughtful post about the sincere effort that FReepers are making in Terri's behalf, the Father's Love Letter , and remarks made by Jim Robinson on this issue and reposted here by lonevoice.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

There was a tremendous amount of information posted on the previous thread. For anyone who hasn't been following the daily threads, links to relevant posts and information from the previous thread are contained in the body of the present one. I have found that very helpful in trying to find something later. You people are doing a spectacular job of getting information out and also in helping to keep all of us updated here. What a great joint effort. This fight, to me, illustrates beautifully what Free Republic is about and what it means to be a FReeper. Way to go FRiends. Keep up the good work!

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Latest threads On Terri's Case

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Judge Bans Terri Schiavo's Parents From Legal Battle

Dean 'Appalled' That Florida Lawmakers Saved Schiavo

A Woman's Life Versus an Inept Press (Nat Hentoff on Terri Schiavo

Terri Schiavo Case: Gov. Bush Asks To Meet New Guardian

Terri Schiavo Case: Creditable Witnesses & the 1st Guardian

Judge Rejects Bush Effort in Schiavo Case

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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; buttout; daily; euthanasia; florida; forcesofevil; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; hino; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; righttolife; schiavo; schiavothread; schindler; terri; terrischiavo; terrischindler
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To: msmagoo
Thanks, msmagoo, for your help in further understanding some of what is going on. Nothing has been said since the first announcement that complaints of abuse are being investigated by the state, I believe. Wouldn't surprise me if they came back on the scene with both barrels blazing.
661 posted on 11/09/2003 12:51:09 AM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: Pegita
It makes me smile to think of a kitten nuzzling up to Terri. May it come to pass! :)
662 posted on 11/09/2003 12:54:14 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: msmagoo
Recently, if I remember ... Suzanne said it in an interview, but it also was in a court document. Perhaps it's in the Terri timeline ...
663 posted on 11/09/2003 12:54:16 AM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: Coral Snake

Maybe it's just me -- but if the Death Culture's favorite lawyer had just spent several months in the field burning down South Carolina, might he not somewhat resemble (forgive me for speaking the accursed name) Sherman?

Oh yeah, btw, there's also a type 4 troll:


Type 4 - Panderer

Famous media darling, the media provides him the illusion of popularity and respectability because he's a leftie whacko politician. Knows that the only way to get votes is to pander to everyone in the Death Culture, and every evil manifestion of it. Fears that those are the only people who'd vote for him anyway. Official graphic: Howard Dean.

664 posted on 11/09/2003 12:55:07 AM PST by Wampus SC
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To: msmagoo
Amen ...
665 posted on 11/09/2003 12:56:27 AM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: All
I will be putting myself under a voluntary suspension for a while. I need to study the full posting rules for FreeRepublic before I do any more posts. I will continue to Lurk here though and If I find any useful information in this case I will discontinue the voluntary suspension and post it.
You may answer this if you want to but please don't expect any answers back for about two or three days while I learn the ropes of legal posting here and post to some other forums, mainly technical that I am committed to.
666 posted on 11/09/2003 1:00:01 AM PST by Coral Snake (deathculture(HospiceOf TheFlorida$uncoast == Andersonville + Aushwitz)
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To: Pegita
The State investigation might be able to share documents with the Bush Team - it will be interesting to see where that goes. :)

667 posted on 11/09/2003 1:00:33 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: Pegita
Will browse for that date but given the massive number of threads, who knows when I'll find it. :)

I have a vague idea the cremation expense was approved after the trial in 2000, which would mean the promissory note is for something else.
668 posted on 11/09/2003 1:06:12 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: Graymatter
http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/CriminalHistory/CCH_request.html

Anyone want to try this? It is the form for criminal records search throughout Florida.
669 posted on 11/09/2003 1:07:49 AM PST by Graymatter
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To: msmagoo
Here I go again:

Google for "terri schiavo cremation" ~ 4th Article down, at least on my Google, is Terri Schiavo Refused Canadian Asylum, Denied Last Rites ... gives a mention of immediate cremation.

Goodnight, dear FReepers ...

670 posted on 11/09/2003 1:20:53 AM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: All
I add my posts at the end of the previous threads FYI:

To: T'wit

Who knew death was an "experience" to be lived, like seeing Grand Canyon or hiking the Appalachian Trail??

1,166 posted on 11/09/2003 12:05 AM PST by STARWISE (PLEASE DO something to save Terri Schiavo: email, call, fax, vigil,pray, GOD SAVE TERRI)

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To: Theodore R.

But aren't we SO thrilled to be able to say: FORMER public servant???????????

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To: atruelady

I also believe he put his parents "down" too. Loves that situation, it seems. And he continues to portray himself as a "victim." What an evil piece of garbage. KARMA KARMA KARMA.

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To: Chocolate Rose

NRL News Article - May, 2001 Parents Fight for Daughter - Brain-Damaged Woman Faces Threat of Court-Ordered Starvation

By Liz Townsend

In a dramatic turn of events, after enduring 60 hours of court-ordered starvation and dehydration, a Florida woman with severe brain damage received food and fluids when new evidence emerged contradicting her husband's claims that she would have wanted to die, the St. Petersburg Times reported.

Michael Schiavo's attempts to remove his wife's feeding tube are strongly opposed by Terri's parents, who are now "financially strapped" after years spent fighting court battles to keep their daughter alive, the St. Petersburg Times reported. But Terri Schindler-Schiavo's feedings may again be discontinued if her husband's petition to a court of appeals is successful.

Terri Schindler-Schiavo, now 37, has been in a condition of diminished consciousness after a heart attack 11 years ago. She collapsed at her home on February 25, 1990, and her brain was deprived of oxygen for five minutes, according to the Times.

Her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, insist that their daughter, now living at Hospice House Woodside in Pinellas Park, "reacts to them with smiles, laughter, and moans during visits," according to the Tampa Tribune. However, doctors say she is in a "vegetative state" and that any movements she makes are merely "reflex."

The Schindlers refuse to give up on their hopes that Terri's condition will one day improve. "It's my daughter's life," Bob Schindler told the Times. "I will fight for her until I die. Any parent would."

The court battles began in May 1998 when Terri Schindler-Schiavo's husband Michael requested that her feeding tube be removed, the Times reported. On February 11, 2000, Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George Greer granted Schiavo's request, ruling that the tube would be removed 30 days after the Schindlers had exhausted all appeals.

Judge Greer's decision was based largely on Michael Schiavo's assertion that, before her heart attack, Terri told him she would not want to live on artificial life support, the Miami Herald reported. "She said, 'No tubes for me,' that kind of thing," Mr. Schiavo's attorney George Felos told the Miami Herald.

The Schindlers insist that Michael Schiavo, who has been engaged to another woman for several years, is also motivated by a million-dollar malpractice settlement awarded to Terri Schindler-Schiavo in 1993, according to the Herald. Pat Anderson, the Schindlers' attorney, stated bluntly to the Associated Press, "Mr. Schiavo has engaged in a course of conduct so he can kill his wife and inherit her estate."

The settlement came from a malpractice suit filed by Michael Schiavo against Terri's doctors, who failed to detect the low potassium levels that caused her heart attack. Over $700,000 is left, since the rest has been used to pay Mrs. Schindler-Schiavo's medical costs.

"[The Schindlers] have encouraged Schiavo to divorce Terri and move on with his life," the Herald reported. "They say he refuses because he no longer would inherit her estate."

Michael Schiavo has repeatedly denied the Schindlers' charges. "The money has never been a concern of his," Felos told the Herald.

The 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals upheld Judge Greer's decision in January 2001. Both the Florida Supreme Court and the U.S. Supreme Court refused the Schindlers' requests to intervene in the case.

"I just can't understand why these judges are in such a hurry to starve my daughter to death," said Bob Schindler, according to the Times. "I just don't understand. I just think it's cruel. Essentially, they treat coldblooded murderers with more kindness."

Terri Schindler-Schiavo received what was supposed to be her last feeding at 8 a.m. on April 24. For the next two days she was not given the vitamin-enhanced beverage that provided her with life-sustaining nutrition and hydration.

News reports parroted euthanasia advocates' rhetoric that death by starvation and dehydration is just like going to sleep. "People don't suffer," Dr. Vince Perron, associate medical director at Life-Path Hospice in Tampa, told the Times. "It's a peaceful, comfortable way to die." But the Schindlers see Terri's death by starvation as inhumane and cruel.

"The Schindlers say their daughter would starve to death," USA Today reported, "but Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, said she would suffer a chemical imbalance and just 'fade away.'"

In a surprising development, however, new evidence surfaced that called into question Michael Schiavo's reported claims that his wife clearly rejected life support. His former girlfriend, Cyndi Shook, came forward and said that Schiavo told her that his wife never spoke about her wishes, according to the Times.

Shook told the Times that she asked him what his wife would have wanted and he replied, "How ...should I know? She was 25 years old and we did not talk about it."

Armed with Shook's statements, the Schindlers asked first Judge Greer and then Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge Frank Quesada to resume the feedings until Shook could testify. Greer rejected the request.

However, Judge Quesada granted a temporary injunction and ordered the hospice to feed Schindler-Schiavo. "I don't think there is anything that's more final or irreparable than death," Quesada said, according to the Times. She was fed for the first time in 60 hours at around 8:30 p.m. April 26.

Michael Schiavo filed an emergency petition with the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals on April 30 asking the feedings to again be stopped. "My wife Theresa is entitled to die with dignity," he said in a statement, the Associated Press reported. "This heinous act is an affront to her and is a violation of her most sacred rights of liberty."

The Schindlers pledged to continue fighting for their daughter. "I wouldn't wish this experience on anybody," Bob Schindler told the Times. "It's been horrible. . . . What we're ultimately trying to do is keep Terri alive."

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To: All

Cyndi Shook
Senior Living Specialties, Inc.
3861 5th Avenue North
St. Petersburg, FL 33713
727/328-8308
727/328-8338 (fax)
cyndishook@aol.com (email)

Associated Home Health Industries of Florida, Inc. Board

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To: No More Gore Anymore

How 'bout emailing Glenn Beck and having him announce his wish that his audience send Terri birthday cards or get involved sending Felon-os Thanksgiving >>>for life>>> cards?? He's been so supportive.

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To: Coral Snake

I would be SO appreciative if you or someone could please refresh our memories on the names of the judges to be on alert to fire on the FL Supreme bench. I've asked over on the FL Freeper page, but no response. I want to get those names burned in my brain terminally!

671 posted on 11/09/2003 1:28:55 AM PST by STARWISE (PLEASE DO something to save Terri Schiavo: email, call, fax, vigil,pray, GOD SAVE TERRI)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
"Yeah, kinda like all those in favor of abortion have already been born, isn't it!

Bingo.

672 posted on 11/09/2003 1:30:30 AM PST by Wampus SC
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To: sfRummygirl
Oh, God, that's too cute...

It must be sleep deprivation getting me again...

673 posted on 11/09/2003 1:33:00 AM PST by Wampus SC
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To: Coral Snake
> SO TROLL REFORM CAN HAPPEN.

Thank you for that witness! I believe yours is the first testimony I've heard from a reformed troll. Congratulations, and a whole new welcome to you -- though I don't quite agree with you about Sherman :-) (I mean, look at his middle name -- this man was years ahead of his time in sensitivity and diversity.)

My comment was, of course, meant to razz our heartless visitors by using the same overheated words that they use to attack Terri. However, on a serious level, I am reluctant to believe that any person is beyond salvation.

674 posted on 11/09/2003 2:19:11 AM PST by T'wit
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
Where did you get the spreadsheet that makes you think the promisary note is inteded for Michael to RECIEVE funds from Terri, that may help us figure out what that line on your spreadsheet is refering to.
675 posted on 11/09/2003 4:46:41 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: No More Gore Anymore
bump
676 posted on 11/09/2003 5:21:39 AM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: sweetliberty
I read that his mother died in Florida and his dad died in Pennsylvania. I don't know how accurate that information was. The mother's obituary, at least a portion of it, has been posted on these threads. Jodi, NOT Terri, is listed as Michael's surviving spouse!

I haven't read the obit. but I did read, on another forum, that, as you said, Terri, wasn't even listed, but that Jodi, his "fiance" was. Disgusting. Other posters have said the mother died in Florida as well. So' I'm guessing perhaps that's correct.

677 posted on 11/09/2003 5:25:48 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Graymatter; sweetliberty; Mo1
See my post #635. Figured out how it searches, the records don't go back to the 1980's. okay. Thanks much. I will check your instructions out in a bit.
678 posted on 11/09/2003 5:27:13 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Pegita
Reading again, pollywog, how Terri was such an animal lover, and knowing that the Guardian from Hell destroyed her beloved pets right away .. then wondering what torture he inflicted upon her with his words when only he and she were behind those hospice doors ~ he's devoid of mercy. Terri will respond so well to pet therapy ~ may it be soon, Lord .. may it be soon.

I was unaware he had her animals destroyed!!If he had a ounce of care, he would have clung to her animal friends for comfort himself. That which is dear to our dying loved ones becomes even MORE precious to us during those moments!! I know. Mama had a stuffed rabbit we gave her during her days of hospitaliztion. She died in '94. I still have that rabbit and hug it in tears some days when I miss her the most.

679 posted on 11/09/2003 5:29:23 AM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: msmagoo
Joelee Caplan, the mental health therapist, is a she. See here:

May 19, 1999

Palm Beach Post, "Boca Rehab clinics to pay $7.7 million in fraud ... Because the company is in bankruptcy, Joelee Caplan, who is still a therapist, will receive only about $28,000 for blowing the whistle on Russakoff.

and here:

August 16, 1997

Palm Beach Post, "Boca drug clinic bilked Medicaid, lawsuit ... Joelee Caplan, 26, of North Miami Beach, worked at National Recovery in Sunrise from December 1995 to April 1996 and filed what is tantamount to a whistle-blower's suit...

680 posted on 11/09/2003 5:33:03 AM PST by nicmarlo
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