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Abraham Lincoln Was Elected President 143 Years Ago Tonight
http://www.nytimes.com ^ | 11/06/2003 | RepublicanWizard

Posted on 11/06/2003 7:31:54 PM PST by republicanwizard

Astounding Triumph of Republicanism.

THE NORTH RISING IN INDIGNATION AT THE MENACES OF THE SOUTH

Abraham Lincoln Probably Elected President by a Majority of the Entire Popular Vote

Forty Thousand Majority for the Republican Ticket in New-York

One Hundred Thousand Majority in Pennsylvania

Seventy Thousand Majority in Massachusetts

Corresponding Gains in the Western and North-Western States

Preponderance of John Bell and Conservatism at the South

Results of the Contest upon Congressional and Local Tickets

The canvass for the Presidency of the United States terminated last evening, in all the States of the Union, under the revised regulation of Congress, passed in 1845, and the result, by the vote of New-York, is placed beyond question at once. It elects ABRAHAM LINCOLN of Illinois, President, and HANNIBAL HAMLIN of Maine, Vice-President of the United States, for four years, from the 4th March next, directly by the People.

The election, so far as the City and State of New-York are concerned, will probably stand, hereafter as one of the most remarkable in the political contests of the country; marked, as it is, by far the heaviest popular vote ever cast in the City, and by the sweeping, and almost uniform, Republican majorities in the country.

RELATED HEADLINES

ELECTION DAY IN THE CITY: All Quiet and Orderly At the Polls: Progress of the Voting in the Several Wards: The City After Nightfall: How the News Was Received: Unbounded Enthusiasm of the Republicans and Bell-Everett Headquarters: The Times Office Beseiged: Midnight Display of Wide-Awakes: Bonfires and Illuminations

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KEYWORDS: anniversary; bush; civilwar; dixielist; history; lincoln; republican
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To: GOPcapitalist
Do you honestly believe that the pope thought yankee ships were sailing into Charleston harbor, edging up against the city's massive stone walls, and flinging giant pots of boiling sulphuric compounds (almost assuredly with their onboard catapults) over the battlements, with their guardian archers, and onto the civilians from the neighboring serfdoms taking refuge inside?

I have no idea what His Holiness knew about warfare and weapons. He was 70 at the time and had been depending on Austrian and French troops to keep his loyal subjects from running him out of Rome entirely so it is, I suppose, possible that he might have pictured the attack exactly as you described.

The use of the term Greek Fire was a figurative statement that conveyed the exact same thing.

It's a shame that Mr. Mann will never know how lucky he is that we have you to tell him what he was thinking.

601 posted on 11/18/2003 2:01:50 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: GOPcapitalist
So in other words, you are concluding that, by the fact that YOU have not personally seen it, it must not exist.

It doesn't appear that anyone has personally seen any evidence that Davis supported it.

The Supreme Court battle in the CSA Congress is covered in practically any good book on the history of the confederate government itself. You must not be reading quality material then.

And yet none of this 'quality reading material' seems to have any evidence that Davis paid more than lip-service to the establishment of a supreme court.

602 posted on 11/18/2003 2:05:02 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
See: Greek Fire and the Swamp Angel and also this 'Greek Fire' reference from Union correspondence: (500 'Greek-fire' shells).
603 posted on 11/18/2003 2:39:27 PM PST by rustbucket
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To: republicanwizard
"I never read it. Is it good?"

This is the full title:

The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War
by Thomas DiLorenzo

We report, you decide.

604 posted on 11/18/2003 2:47:12 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: Non-Sequitur
You'll no doubt note that the Union correspondence I referenced says that the Greek Fire incendiary shells intended for use on Charleston civilians were sent to US General Gillmore 'through the influence of the President'. Good old kind-hearted Abe.
605 posted on 11/18/2003 2:56:18 PM PST by rustbucket
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To: Natural Law
"Lincoln further arrested legislatures (sic) of Maryland who opposed the war and apponted their replacements. He claimed the right to arrest anyone because he had suspended habeas corpus. When the Chief Justus (sic) of the Supreme Court declared this unconstitutional Lincoln ordered him arrested too."

Go read up on the history of ex parte Merryman and re-think your statement. Three factual errors in one paragraph is not too bad, though.

606 posted on 11/18/2003 3:03:51 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: rustbucket
Interesting. I wonder what they actually used since Greek Fire as known in history was comprise of some unknown substance? The mental image of Beaureard 'squealing like a stuck pig' is fantastic. I have no idea how General Halsted knew of his reaction. Maybe he relied on the character of General Beauregard as was widely known?
607 posted on 11/18/2003 3:18:49 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Beauregard a squealing pig? Perhaps a cry of outrage would be a better description.

Here is how Beauregard replied to Gillmore concerning Gillmore's bombardment of Charleston civilians: "It would appear, sir, that despairing of reducing these works [Sumter and Morris Island], you now resort to the novel measure of turning your guns against the old men, the women and children, and the hospitals of a sleeping city, an act of inexcusable barbarity..."

Even the free Negro fire brigade who put out the first fire lit by Gillmore's shells were heard to mutter, "cussed bobolitionists" (abolitionists). [from Burton's book on the Siege of Charleston].

608 posted on 11/18/2003 3:35:45 PM PST by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket
Beauregard a squealing pig? Perhaps a cry of outrage would be a better description.

Nah, stuck pig. His reputation preceeded him. Davis thought that he was a coward.

609 posted on 11/18/2003 6:09:55 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
It doesn't appear that anyone has personally seen any evidence that Davis supported it.

Sure they have. Heck, you've even seen it. As I noted previously it appears in (a) the fact that he PUBLICLY STATED his support for it and (b) that Congress took up a bill on it after that statement of support.

And yet none of this 'quality reading material' seems to have any evidence that Davis paid more than lip-service to the establishment of a supreme court.

False. Practically any history of the matter identifies the Congress' inaction on the courts as a way of blocking Davis' desire to increase his power.

610 posted on 11/18/2003 7:17:40 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: Non-Sequitur
I have no idea what His Holiness knew about warfare and weapons. He was 70 at the time

I don't care if he was 120 at the time. That still doesn't make him old enough to have witnessed catapult warfare at the walls of Constantinople!

and had been depending on Austrian and French troops to keep his loyal subjects from running him out of Rome entirely so it is, I suppose, possible that he might have pictured the attack exactly as you described.

You cannot be serious, non-seq. It is an absurdity to suggest that, upon hearing the figurative statement Greek Fire, the pope thought they were referring to catapults flinging pots of sulphuric stuff over the battlements of some medieval fortress! If he was 70 in 1863 that would have made him a boy during the Napoleonic wars that consumed all of Europe, leaving virtually no doubt that he knew of warfare's progression beyond medieval times.

It's a shame that Mr. Mann will never know how lucky he is that we have you to tell him what he was thinking.

Considering that you have already told everyone that he was thinking of catapults flinging pots of boiling sulphur in a medieval seige circa 1863, my offering of meaning to his words is nothing more than a reasonable correction upon the absurdity that you originally assigned to him.

611 posted on 11/18/2003 7:25:43 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: 4ConservativeJustices; wardaddy; PeaRidge; billbears; stainlessbanner; shuckmaster; stand watie
Check out 601. It is in reference to a description given by the Confederates to Pope Pius regarding the yankee seige of Charleston. One of the CSA diplomats described the yankee shelling of the city to him as unleashing "greek fire" from the skies. As you probably know, "greek fire" was a medieval chemical compound from the eastern roman/byzantine empire that they used to light on fire, load into catapults and the sort, and throw on enemy ships to burn them.

Well guess what. Mr. "More Anal Retentive than Wlat" himself, Non-Sequitur, INSISTS that the CSA diplomat was being literal and was actually attempting to decieve the pope into - get this - thinking that Charleston was being seiged by yankee catapults flinging pots of boiling sulphuric compounds ala Constantinople circa 1100 AD!

I asked Non-Seq if he honestly believed "that the pope thought yankee ships were sailing into Charleston harbor, edging up against the city's massive stone walls, and flinging giant pots of boiling sulphuric compounds (almost assuredly with their onboard catapults) over the battlements, with their guardian archers, and onto the civilians from the neighboring serfdoms taking refuge inside."

Here is his response:

"I have no idea what His Holiness knew about warfare and weapons. He was 70 at the time and had been depending on Austrian and French troops to keep his loyal subjects from running him out of Rome entirely so it is, I suppose, possible that he might have pictured the attack exactly as you described."

Yes, you read that right. Non-Seq thinks the Pope was decieved into thinking the civil war, in 1863, resembled some medieval attack on a castle from the 12th century!

612 posted on 11/18/2003 7:38:12 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: republicanwizard
I'm sorry, but Lincoln was one of the worst if not the worst presidents this country has ever had, he's up there with Wilson in my books.
613 posted on 11/18/2003 7:41:01 PM PST by richtig_faust
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To: labard1
In bringing down the Soviet Union and its control of Eastern Europe Reagan freed more souls from oppression than Lincoln ever did.


Lest we forget Reagan's visits with the Vatican... the major force in bringing down the Soviet Union. .... god bless JPII
614 posted on 11/18/2003 7:43:11 PM PST by richtig_faust
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To: Natural Law
You have fallen victim to the pretense that the greatest presidents have been those who have expanded the power of the presidency and the federal government at the expense of the other branches and the states.


My sentiments exactly.
615 posted on 11/18/2003 7:44:43 PM PST by richtig_faust
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To: republicanwizard
Does States Rights entail the right to enslave man?


PSST: 3 northern states were slave states during this "conflict".... he didn't spew the emacipation proclamation till after Antiedam cause he knew the french were going to back the south if they won. He issued general order 143 to get the freed northern blacks to fight instead of the wealthy whites he was dealing with. Lincoln was a SCUMBAG.
616 posted on 11/18/2003 7:47:17 PM PST by richtig_faust
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To: Non-Sequitur
[n-s 588] Well, I've always thought that your posts were nothing but a load of Bull. This just proves it.

[n-s 588] But what, pray tell, does this have to do with Greek Fire?
What did your 576 have to do with Greek Fire?

[n-s 576] Tsk, tsk, tsk. Lying to the Pope. I'm sure he's rotting in hell for that one.

The African slave trade started when Antonio Gonçalves, sailing for Prince Henry the Navigator, returned to Portugal with some Africans. A tribute of slaves was given to the Pope. The Pope gave the rights to a large chunk of West Africa to Portugal.

And the Pope issued the Papal Bull that I provided which approved of enslaving the Saracens and other infidels.

The African slave trade was in business with an official blessing.

617 posted on 11/19/2003 1:37:29 AM PST by nolu chan
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To: GOPcapitalist
Having fun?
618 posted on 11/19/2003 3:49:14 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: GOPcapitalist
As I noted previously it appears in (a) the fact that he PUBLICLY STATED his support for it and (b) that Congress took up a bill on it after that statement of support.

What you have noted is that Davis PUBLICLY STATED his support for it and then did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to put those empty words into actions. He let the matter die in the confederate senate, probably because he had a rebellion to run and a supreme court would have gotten in his way.

False.

True. None of them indicate any actions that Davis took to get congress to staff the court. Davis doesn't bemoan the fact in his books, in fact he doesn't mention it. Why should he comment on something of so little importance to him?

619 posted on 11/19/2003 3:56:12 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: GOPcapitalist
So I guess your point is that His Holiness knew what Greek Fire was, but that Mr. Mann did not. That is possible, I suppose. I have no idea if he had any military background at all. Still, given the other misinformation in his letter it's easy to assume that he was fibbing about Greek Fire as well. I'll agree that the Pope probably didn't visualize the fall of Constantinople when being told of the blockade of Charleston.
620 posted on 11/19/2003 4:04:07 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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