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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 5 -7, 2003
Various | November 5, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/05/2003 12:14:25 AM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Thread 5 - November 5-7)
(Link back to Thread 4 - Nov. 3-4)

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Contained in Thread 4:

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Resource links to search business and criminal records in Florida, info on special guardian ad litum meeting (attempt to change qualifications?), Michael Schiavo parody, link to referral letter for Dr. Hammersfahr to the Nobel committee, transcript to Abrams Report closing commments - Nov.3, e-mail address for Larry King Live, Florida statutes on guardianship and some damning statements against Michael.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

I know we're all getting tired, but we have to hang in there. This isn't just Terri's fight anymore. It is our fight too. To everyone who has worked tirelessly to gather information, write letters, make phone calls, spend time in prayer, be at the vigil supporting Terri's family and all the many other offerings you have given for this effort, thank you and may the Lord richly bless you.

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Latest Threads On Terri's Case

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Terri Schindler Schiavo Guardianship Hearing Wednesday November 5, 2003


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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; daily; euthanasia; florida; forcesofevil; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; hino; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; righttolife; schiavo; schindler; terri; terrischiavo; terrisdailies
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To: nicmarlo
Thanks, nic. The only ones coming up are Cantero and Bell.
I don't even recall them having been involved in the 2000 fiasco, were they? Anyone have any clues about them? Would appreciate it bunches.
1,181 posted on 11/09/2003 12:44:45 PM PST by STARWISE (PLEASE DO something to save Terri Schiavo: email, call, fax, vigil,pray, GOD SAVE TERRI)
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To: STARWISE
Justices Shaw, Harding, Anstead, Pariente, Lewis, and Quince issued a "per curiam" order on 12/24/2000; see here: http://www.flcourts.org/pubinfo/election/12-14-2000/00-2431USSCRemandOrd.pdf
1,182 posted on 11/09/2003 12:49:18 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: atruelady
I agree ... Glenn Beck can get a lot of support out.
1,183 posted on 11/09/2003 12:51:56 PM PST by STARWISE (PLEASE DO something to save Terri Schiavo: email, call, fax, vigil,pray, GOD SAVE TERRI)
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To: STARWISE
And in this order, per curiam, these Justices: Wells, Shaw, Harding, Anstead, Pariente, Lewis, and Quince; see here: http://www.flcourts.org/sct/sctdocs/ops/sc00-2346cor.pdf
1,184 posted on 11/09/2003 12:52:31 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: STARWISE
Here ya go, Starwise, a November 2000 Article listing the 7 Justices at the time of the Goron attempted coup d'tat: PROFILES: FLORIDA SUPREME COURT JUSTICES
1,185 posted on 11/09/2003 12:55:45 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Justice Raoul G. Cantero, III

Justice Raoul G. Cantero, III was appointed to the Court on July 10, 2002, by Governor Jeb Bush. Before his appointment, he was a shareholder and head of the Appellate Division of the law firm of Adorno & Yoss in Miami. He specialized in civil and criminal appeals at all levels, and also has extensive experience in commercial litigation. He has been Board-certified in appellate practice since 1995.

Justice Kenneth B. Bell

Justice Kenneth B. Bell was appointed to the Florida Supreme Court on December 30, 2002, by Governor Jeb Bush and took office on January 7, 2003. Justice Bell is a seventh-generation Pensacolian whose paternal ancestors immigrated to the Pensacola area around 1819, when Florida still was a Spanish colony. Justice Bell is the first justice from Pensacola in a century, the first from west of Tallahassee since 1917, and the only justice on the Court with prior experience as a trial judge. He is also the first graduate of Florida State University College of Law to serve on the Court.

1,186 posted on 11/09/2003 1:01:23 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Thanks, nic. The current judges are the ones previously posted here:

Information About Current Justices

CHARLES T. WELLS Took office 1994- Merit retention vote 2008

HARRY LEE ANSTEAD Took office 1994- Mandatory Retirement 2009

BARBARA J. PARIENTE Took office 1997- Merit retention vote 2006

R. FRED LEWIS Took office 1999- Merit retention vote 2006

PEGGY A. QUINCE Took office 1999- Merit retention vote 2006

RAOUL G. CANTERO Took office 2002 - Merit retention vote 2004

KENNETH B. BELL Took office 2003 - Merit retention vote 2004

Leander Shaw and Major Harding are apparently no longer on the bench.

1,187 posted on 11/09/2003 1:23:40 PM PST by STARWISE (PLEASE DO something to save Terri Schiavo: email, call, fax, vigil,pray, GOD SAVE TERRI)
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To: pc93
Is the Advocacy Center in that list? They are the authorized agency to investigate guardian abuse.
1,188 posted on 11/09/2003 6:09:44 PM PST by TaxRelief (Welcome to the only website dedicated to the preservation of a free republic.)
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To: supercat
Felos-is used to playing on 'home field', where he knows how to be seen in a good light by the judges.

I belive this is so true. And not only is he used to being the heavy weight in Pinellas Cty, and associated with some of the Judges in various ways thru directorships at hospice, etc., BUT, this vampire is used to threatening to SUE various medical doctors, etc., to keep them as paralyzed and fearful as he has kept the Schindlers.

No more.

Felos cannot threaten to sue the medical arena anymore. A huge loss of power and ugly clout, in his case. And Shiavo's. (The jerk who kept the nurses at bay with terrible threats at the Hospice where Terri is imprisoned, according to at least one affidavit---Carla Iyers.) I understand that he actually threatened to SUE any doctors at the hospital where Terri was taken to have her tube reinserted and would certainly love to see that verified in print. It is so ghastly and outrageous it is beneath contempt.

1,189 posted on 11/09/2003 7:27:26 PM PST by Republic
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To: TaxRelief
Do you have the info?
1,190 posted on 11/09/2003 7:28:48 PM PST by pc93 (Please visit http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/terri_schindler_life_ribbon_campaign.htm)
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To: nicmarlo
My gosh--your post at # 666 on the 'model husband'-Michael Shiavo is really kinda dead on, considering, -did you plan that?
1,191 posted on 11/09/2003 7:48:48 PM PST by Republic
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To: TigersEye
bring wheelchairs to the next vigil. Bring bunches of them but bring at least one that can be given to Terri for keeps. Have signs that say "Let Terri see the world" or "Let Terri see our love!".

Now THAT is real! GREAT IDEA!!!!

1,192 posted on 11/09/2003 7:55:01 PM PST by Republic
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To: Republic
Are you kidding? I wouldn't even know how to plan that, much less succeed! : )
1,193 posted on 11/09/2003 8:00:05 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Republic; sweetliberty
Here's Carla Iyers AFFIDAVIT (in pdf)
1,194 posted on 11/09/2003 8:05:49 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: sweetliberty; pc93; TaxRelief; FR_addict; pickyourpoison; cyn; floriduh voter; pollywog
FYI-please ping folks! From my email:

-----Original Message-----

From: < name withheld >
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 3:50 PM
To: < Undisclosed-Recipient >
Subject: update

A battle of pro-life and pro-death forces -
http://www.tigerbayclub.com/Meeting.htm -
Coleman vs. Felos!!!
Some of you may want to be there or even
picket Felos.

One of our members made an excellent suggestion - that we
keep encouraging Bush to protect Terri and thank him
for previous efforts - jeb.bush@myflorida.com

I have been told that on Montel tomorrow at 3 PM either the Schindlers will be on or someone discussing Terri. The Larry King show may possibly be rescheduled from last Fri. to next Fri. but I will let you know.

Don't forget http://www.tropicwaveradio.net/H2H/ --Tue. at 9 PM.
A leading forensic specialist will be
talking about some Hospice deaths and also about Terri's bone scan, etc.

Many thanks for all the efforts you all are making!

< name withheld >

1,195 posted on 11/09/2003 8:09:53 PM PST by Republic
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To: nicmarlo
Thanks for linking to Carla Iyer's affidavit. Nothing I have read about Terri has affected me more.

And about your post # 666 !!!!!

Geeeeeeeeeeeeeez, nicmarlo, that was worth at least one good chill.

1,196 posted on 11/09/2003 8:12:53 PM PST by Republic
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To: Republic
I hadn't even noticed that until sweetliberty pointed it out to me first.....very chilling, isn't it?
1,197 posted on 11/09/2003 8:19:31 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: floriduh voter
This man tells it like it is!!!

Catholic or not, you can sign this petition to help save Terri. { republic: I am not a Catholic, but I am going to sign this petition-- read the fantastic letter from the Your Catholic Voice Movement below- hope all here will sign the petition!)

From: Deacon Keith Fournier

Subject: YCV Has Received No Response FROM the ACLU Over Terri Schaivo

YCV Has Received No Response FROM the ACLU Over Terri
Schaivo

The fight to save Terri Shiavo is not over. We must continue our support and prayers for her. Toward the end of this email, I have included information on the teaching of the Church on this critical issue. What the Church says.

YCV supporter’s vocal support played a role in getting “Terri’s Law” passed. We must continue to show public support for Governor Jeb Bush in order to counter those vocal organizations advocating her coerced death.

Please add your name to the petition to save Terri by
Clicking Here:
http://www.yourcatholicvoice.org/index.php?id=petition&petition=3

Her estranged husband, now joined by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), has filed a lawsuit to overturn “Terri’s Law” - even though it was lawfully and overwhelmingly passed by the Florida legislature and properly signed by Governor Jeb Bush. That law gave the Governor additional authority to end the deliberate starvation of Terri.

There was a set back this week when a Florida judge denied Terri’s parents the right to intervene on Terri’s behalf in this suit. The American Center for Law and Justice had sought to represent them. Instead, the ACLJ has filed a friend of the court brief on their behalf. Other groups may also file such briefs. Terri’s parents are also trying to ensure that a fair and impartial guardian is appointed to replace Terri’s husband. Her husband is also trying to intimidate doctors and hospitals to prevent them from caring for her through threats of further lawsuits if they do.

It was Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta who spoke with such simplicity concerning the horror of killing a child in the first home of the whole human race, a mother's womb: ``It is poverty to kill a child so that you may live as you wish'' Will we soon live in a world where the disabled may be killed for the same reason? That is really what is behind the effort to end Terri’s life.

Many the world over felt so powerless while, with the protection of the State, Terri Schiavo was nearly euthanized.

Make no mistake; Terri was NOT “naturally” dying. She is a brain damaged, disabled woman whose family loves her and wants to care for her. Many people like Terri are lovingly cared for on a daily basis. However, in this case, she had become “inconvenient”. So, she was almost killed with the assistance of a Court Order requiring the withdrawal of food and water.

Eventually, prayers, hard, effective battling by Terri’s parents through her able lawyers and a groundswell of citizen activism, including your prayers and efforts, led to the passage of “Terri’s law” and the Governor finally did what was right. Terri was saved from a sure death by starvation and dehydration. However, the battle only subsided for a while and we must keep praying and struggling.

Prayer vigils are still being held while legal efforts to end her life continue. The forces of the “death on demand” movement will not give up. The battle rages and the Courts are once again being used in an effort to literally kill Terri. It is that simple and that horrible!

Please forward this E-Mail to your family, friends and neighbors. Terri needs as much support as you can muster.

I challenged the American Civil Liberties Union to specify how anyone’s civil liberties - EXCEPT TERRI SCHIAVO’S - are being violated in this vital “right-to-live” case in Florida. I have not heard from them.

As a constitutional lawyer, I think the suggestion that the civil liberties of Schiavo’s husband Michael have somehow been violated is absolutely absurd.

If anyone’s human rights and civil liberties have been violated here it has been Terri Schiavo’s. The Right to life from conception to natural death and the liberty to be protected from efforts to take your life because your disability makes you somehow “inconvenient” is what is really at issue here.

I do not care what you call it.

The masters of verbal engineering are all over the media these days calling murder, "mercy", hiding their intentions under noble sounding appeals to that "quality of life" mantra that is often a subterfuge. Intentionally withholding food and water to make someone die - is what it is- euthanasia.

One would think an organization like the ACLU, which purports to defend Civil Liberties, would be fighting to protect Terri’s right to live and not endorsing an effort to euthanize her through withholding food and water.

Now, the ACLU is concerned that other state legislatures will adopt laws similar to “Terri’s Law” in Florida. This only raises even more questions about this increasingly controversial organization and its true agenda.

The ACLU has recently been at the forefront of promoting both policy and legal efforts to define “freedom” as a raw power over others who are weaker; for example children in the first home of their mothers womb, and to stifle the voice of those who disagree with their notion of the role of people of faith in our. Now, they are taking on the disabled. In some ways, this move by them is not a surprise to us. I will debate them on this issue anytime, anywhere.

Fortunately other disabled people are rallying around Terri, including people who have been in similar “hopeless” situations and made partial recoveries. Read this Newsday article for background.

http://www.newsday.com/news/health/ny-usschi023527678nov06,0,3738951.story?coll=ny-health-headlines

What the Church says

Some people have written and suggested that the Church sometimes “permits” the withdrawal of nutrition and hydration in cases where it is only prolonging an inevitable death.

Please understand this vital fact Terri is not dying.

What is being proposed here is to kill her by this action. She is a disabled person who simply cannot feed herself.

There are many disabled people who cannot feed themselves.

We care for them and help them because we are a compassionate people and recognize their right to live!

What is actually being sought is euthanasia.

Here is a paragraph from the Bishop's website that applies:

"The harsh reality is that some who propose withdrawal of nutrition and hydration from certain patients do directly intend to bring about a patient's death, and would even prefer a change in the law to allow for what they see as more "quick and painless" means to cause death.

[13] In other words, nutrition and hydration (whether orally administered or medically assisted) are sometimes withdrawn not because a patient is dying, but precisely because a patient is not dying (or not dying quickly) and someone believes it would be better if he or she did, generally because the patient is perceived as having an unacceptably low "quality of life" or as imposing burdens on others."

You can read the rest of the document at
http://www.usccb.org/prolife/issues/euthanas/nutqa.htm

Please add you name to the petition to save Terri by clicking here:

http://www.yourcatholicvoice.org/index.php?id=petition&petition=3 And please forward this to your family, friends and neighbors. Terri needs as much support as you can muster.

Deacon Keith Fournier
Co-Founder, Your Catholic Voice Movement

1,198 posted on 11/09/2003 8:47:33 PM PST by Republic
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To: nicmarlo
Yes. It is chilling...evil expressed bluntly ending up on that particular number. Geeez. ( And you have to know that I was 'kidding' when asking ya if it was planned. If you had said 'yes', well, YIKES, we'd all be giving you a wide berth! )
1,199 posted on 11/09/2003 8:55:23 PM PST by Republic
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To: Republic; nicmarlo
"And about your post # 666 !!!!!"

Yeah nic, what is it about you and that number?

1,200 posted on 11/09/2003 9:06:31 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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