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Husband in Right to Die Case Moves to Block Parents in New Trial
Tampa Bay Online ^ | Nov 3, 2003 | A P

Posted on 11/03/2003 6:08:39 PM PST by sweetliberty

CLEARWATER, Fla. (AP) - Attorneys for the husband seeking to carry out what he says is his wife's end-of-life wishes said in court papers Monday her parents shouldn't be allowed to enter the constitutional fight over the new law which is prolonging her life. Attorneys for Michael Schiavo, whose wife Terri is at the center of the massive legal battle over whether she lives or dies, responded to legal filings seeking a judge's permission to allow Bob and Mary Schindler to become parties in the challenge of the new law.

The law allowed Gov. Jeb Bush last month to order Terri Schiavo's feeding tube - which has kept her alive for more than a decade - be reinserted six days after her husband ordered it removed.

Michael Schiavo's attorneys said that while the Schindlers arguably had a stake in the legal battle on whether their daughter's wishes should be carried out, the legal challenge of what's been dubbed "Terri's Law" is between her husband and the governor's attorneys.

"The rights at stake in this litigation are uniquely those of Mrs. Schiavo and it is those rights that are directly affected by the challenged legislation and Governor's actions," said the legal response filed in Florida circuit Court. "The Schindlers' interest in continuing to pursue their belief that the prior litigation was wrongly decided simply does not meet the requisite legal standard for intervention."

Doctors and a judge have ruled that Terri Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state with no hope for recovery. She suffered severe brain damage in 1990 when her heart stopped beating - cutting off oxygen to her brain - because of a chemical imbalance.

The conservative law firm founded by religious broadcaster Pat Robertson asked last week to be allowed to intervene in the case on behalf of Schindlers. Circuit Court Judge W. Douglas Baird would have to grant permission for the Schindlers to enter the lawsuit.

The couple have said their daughter had no end-of-life wishes and believe she could be rehabilitated. They also dispute that she is in a vegetative state and believe she has enough mental abilities to respond to them.

The American Center for Law & Justice said in its filing that it believes lawmakers and the governor were within their authority to intervene in the case. Her parents are seeking to be appointed their daughter's guardians and to exclude them from the case would "violate their constitutional rights to be heart," the law firm said in its filing.


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To: T'wit; All
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:27:55 -0700

Subject: Arizona Bill introduced

Note: See analysis of this bill at the end of the story.

The following press release was issued by HEMLOCK USA (Nov 17/97)

ARIZONA LEGISLATION WOULD EXPAND END-
OF-LIFE MEDICAL OPTIONS

PHOENIX -- A bill to strengthen patient-doctor
relationships and give patients greater control of
end-of-life options was filed today for the upcoming
session of the Arizona legislature. The omnibus bill was
introduced by Prescott Representative Sue Lynch with
co-sponsorship of 40 of the state's 90 lawmakers,
including members of both parties, the speaker of the
house, the chairwoman of the health committee, and all
three physician legislators.

The measure has the full support of Hemlock Society
USA, the nation's largest organization
concerned with patients rights and end-of-life options.
Hemlock national president John Westover, a Tucson
resident, praised Representative Lynch for forming a
consensus of many diverse interests. "Co-sponsorship
does not ensure a vote for the bill, but it does indicate
widespread concern for this sensitive issue," he said.

The Arizona measure is the nation's first to cover such a
wide range of patient options, including curative
treatment, hospice care, refusal of medical treatment, do-
not-resuscitate instructions, and removal of life support.
The bill would require doctors to discuss all treatment
alternatives with terminally ill patients and require
health care personnel to honor advance medical
directives and informed decisions given by patients or
their medical surrogates.

If enacted the bill would enhance opportunities for
managing acute and chronic pain of the terminally ill --
those with a probable life expectancy of six months or
less. Westover said the bill would give dying persons
and their families more information and greater freedom
to choose among available options.

Arizonans for Death with Dignity, a Hemlock affiliate
with seven Arizona chapters, is a major supporter of the
legislation. In a statement from Hemlock's Denver
national headquarters, executive director Faye Girsh
praised the Arizona bill as an example of consensus
building at the state level. "The Supreme Court justices
emphatically encouraged better palliative care and said
laws on end-of-life decisions are matters to be discussed
and decided by each state. Arizonan is leading the way."
She lauded the Arizona lawmakers for keeping patient
rights in the spotlight, following closely the November 4
vote in which Oregonians retained that state's Death with
Dignity Law.

The Arizona bill, titled Medical Treatment Options for
Terminal Illness, is the first bill to be placed on the 1998
legislative agenda. Hearings are set for mid-January.

Hemlock Society and its legislative arm -- PRO-USA --
are also supporting proposed legislation in Maine and in
California, where a California Assembly Select
Committee on Palliative Care is holding public hearings.
The Maine bill, introduced by Representative Joe
Brooks, is being considered in committee. The
California effort is spearheaded by Friends of Dying
Patients and Americans for Death with Dignity.

 

Note from DBE: The bill referred to here, HB 2001, was introduced November
12 in Alcor's home state of Arizona. It is of limited use to cryonicists,
but might be of some help to us. The bill as finally introduced is a
watered-down version of a bill that would have allowed "terminal sedation"
as an option that a terminally-ill person could choose via a durable power
of attorney for health care. The final version of the bill allows choice
of "palliative care" which may include "sedation or analgesia in an amount
necessary to releive pain or suffering." Previous drafts of the bill
included the phrase "even if this would result in a hastened death." The
practice of "terminal sedation" -- i.e., giving enough pain killing drugs
to hasten death as long as the intent is only to releive suffering -- is
currently legal and endorsed by both the AMA and the Catholic Church, but
it's practice is sporadic and pretty much under the table. This bill, even
in its watered-down form, is basically intended to write that practice into
law and make it easier to obtain. The phraseology is so couched, however,
that it is virtually impossible to forsee what the practical outcome would be.

This bill, however, has a tremendous advantage over a bill that would
outright legalize physician-aid-in-dying, and that is that this bill
actually has a chance of passing, whereas a "good" bill would have no
chance at all at this time. This bill is a small step forward (part of the
camel's nose in the tent).

The full text of this bill should be available on the web in about a month.

341 posted on 11/05/2003 8:03:23 AM PST by Deep_6
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To: sweetliberty
"Excellent. Seems O'Reilly has been on the wrong side of this issue all along. Do you think he's coming around? I haven't been watching lately, so I only know from what I have been reading here. Women tend to make O'Reilly go mushy in the knees, so maybe he won't rip this lady too bad. I will have to remember to watch. "

The promo looked like he may be softening his stand. I'm hoping he will be fair. To tell you the truth I don't see how he will be able to refute what the lady says. They showed a picture of her when she was in what they described as pvs. She looked a lot worse than Terri.

342 posted on 11/05/2003 8:05:45 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: sweetliberty; All
The word "euthanasia" sparks emotions at its very pronouncement. For those in favor, "the good death" is at once a wish, a hope, and a right. For those opposed the word means the intentional termination of a life -- a suicide or a murder -- regardless of method or motive. For the sake of clarification, if not argumentation, let's recognize at the outset that any decision regarding treatment of the terminally ill is a death decision. Whether the decision is to effect a full-frontal assault on the forces that conspire to shorten ones life or to hasten the inevitable, either option is a choice among options available at the end of life. Once again, what is new here is the impact of technology: not long ago there were limited options as death approached, and it approached at an earlier age. Inevitably, Nature would 'take its course'. Now medical advances and overall improvement in basic health have increased our longevity -- and now we stay alive long enough to get cancers that only show up as opportunity and age allow. Medical advances can now keep any particular body alive; so it is an old ethical question in a new guise we face: "Should we?"

Read it here

343 posted on 11/05/2003 8:08:06 AM PST by Deep_6
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To: KDD; sweetliberty; syriacus; Tax-chick; TaxRelief; tbpiper; tessalu; TheDon; Theodore R.; ...
KDD: Regarding your Post #300, What do you take us for?

In a proper debate, this kind of argument is called "Elephant Hurling." It is a classic falacy. You've been here at FR almost as long as I have, and I do not consider you to be a troll, but why are you doing this?

It is a well proven fact that the "medical estabnlishment" in this country rejects all of the most natural, and effective forms of therapy that have been developed. You can go to other countries and get effective treatment for most maladies, but in this so-called developed nation you are left at the mercy of the merciless pharmaceutical industry, and the A.M.A. and will likely die of whatever ails you at some point.

To offer up this rejection of effective therapy as a reason why a dedicated physician is a 'quack' in unconsionable.

Hyperbaric oxygen has been proven to be the singularly most effective treatment for any and all kinds of regeneration. It is specifically what Terri Schiavo needs most, next to being delivered from the Death Culture that controls her destiny.

Let us Pray!

344 posted on 11/05/2003 8:09:21 AM PST by editor-surveyor ( . Best policy RE: Environmentalists, - ZERO TOLERANCE !!)
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To: Legerdemain
the funny thing is if we take out the godsquad, we have no argument. We can then deal with reality and the reality is to take out the tube....however this will never happen here on FR. Religion and narrow mindedness go hand in hand...it has been that way for 6,000 years

IOW's 'there are those who believe in the sanctity of life and those who don't.' You happen to be one of the latter. Now that your priorities have been clarified and your own narrow mindedness identified it's easy to agree with you. There is no argument with you because there is no point to one.

345 posted on 11/05/2003 8:14:29 AM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope." - Terri Schiavo)
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To: US admirer
You can't support the rule of law and Michael Schivao remaining as her guardian. It is really quite simple. Florida law states that a guardian who "MAY have a conflict of ineterst" may not be the guardian.

Whether one thinks he is conflicted is debatable, the fact that he MAY have a conflict is not. He should not be Terri's guardian.

346 posted on 11/05/2003 8:14:45 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
We all know that Schiavo should not be the guardian. It is the CORRUPT FL JUDICIARY that sides with him perpetually. And I bet Floridians think their state is free of corruption.
347 posted on 11/05/2003 8:20:08 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Deep_6
If after more [or less] than a year of sole guardianship, their own doctors, through thorough and complete examination, find that Terri will never regain any ability to have any voluntary actions....

This is a bullshit question. You left out therapy, medicine and rehabilitation, the very things her husband has denied her for over ten years.

348 posted on 11/05/2003 8:25:07 AM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope." - Terri Schiavo)
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To: Theodore R.
not all of us think that......

I do believe that a lot of the problem is that most people are uninformed thanks to the media, and the rest are just apathetic. Critical thinking skills have been on the decline for years...and many do not even consider that there is more to learn than what they're told. When generations have been dumbed down, and have become sycophants to the establishment they will eat whatever they have been fed.
349 posted on 11/05/2003 8:25:28 AM PST by tutstar
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To: tutstar
they will eat whatever they have been fed.

Yea, until they come for their feeding tube too!!!! They they will scream to the high heavens.
350 posted on 11/05/2003 8:29:23 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.; jwalsh07
And a couple of pontificating posters want us to adhere to the 'rule of law' even when the judiciary is corrupted toawrd the first premise of our founding documents, LIFE. But of course, these same defenders of euthanasia and abortion have conveniently glossed over the TRUTH that when the FL legislature passed a law to address the failing of Florida courts and judges, THAT IS THE RULE OF LAW IN ACTION!

BTW, John, Michael Schiavo's many-year adulterous relationship with a second woman and siring children with her is a defrauding of his vows to Terri, thus he is proven an unfit guardian for one whom he has defrauded and is continuing to defraud. Applying already existing Florida law correctly, there is no question but that Michael Schiavo is an unfit guardian for Terri schindler Schiavo. That judge Greer and a couple of other Flordia courts refuse to address this fact is telling to the state of corruption within the Florida judiciary.

351 posted on 11/05/2003 8:30:06 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: isatoi
Stop that. You're making too much sense.
352 posted on 11/05/2003 8:34:53 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Warren_Piece
Among Mansfield's revelations is his insistence that Bush and Tony Blair have prayed together at a private meeting at Camp David.

OMG! What a scandal!

353 posted on 11/05/2003 8:37:10 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: freeparoundtheclock
This is a think tank, not a dunk tank.

I've gotta remember that one for the next time I get attacked. Thanks!

354 posted on 11/05/2003 8:38:24 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: windchime
Regarding Felos, the evil monster from hell. Let us not forget that the dr of death himself Kervorkian is wasting away in JAIL where he belongs!! What's the difference between Felos and Kervorian? Not a helluvalot. And Michael Schiavo is even worse!! I hope they all end up in the slammer which would be too good for them as they tried to murder a perfectly innocent living breathing human being.
355 posted on 11/05/2003 8:43:53 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Deep_6
Your questions are stupid. No wonder you've gottten only one response.

If a frog had wings would he have calluses on his butt?

A situation is what it is. Terri Schindler *purposefully* responds when stimulated. You need to learn what that means.

Sorry to offend, but you wanted an honest answer? Ask honest questions, although I've come to expect dishonesty from those who are absolutely certain mercy and compassion for Terri Schindler means killing her.

356 posted on 11/05/2003 8:44:18 AM PST by keri
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To: FL_engineer
The link didn't work for me but I'll try another route. Thanks! I want one of those ribbons!!!
357 posted on 11/05/2003 8:48:21 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: editor-surveyor
PLEASE, I need you to read all of this, please do it for Terri... Hi all, Okay we did this once, I know, but WE ALL NEED TO DO IT AGAIN, PLEASE!! I guess they weren't listening or they think we will just go AWAY. We need to be heard! We shouldn't be ignored, more so Terri's INJURIES Should not be ignored! Terri's NEEDS, all the way around HAVE BEEN AND CONTINUE to be completely IGNORED! WHY is that?? So here is another way to make you're voices be heard , speak out, loud and clear for Terri and her family! Here is her bone scan report! This is the Bone Scan Report on Terri's injuries! Click here: > You all know what Dr. Baden Stated on Live TV ... what happened to him and what he said??? We need a MASS mailing to go out on her behalf, URGING for the "Officials" to open an Investigation and to look into the alleged reports of Spousal Abuse, that very well may have caused her to be the way she is right now and Abuse of the Guardianship that Michael Schaivo had over her all these years ... Where is her money for Medical Care? Why has he NOT reported to the officials as to where all Terri's money went? And WHY is he using it to pay his Atty. Felo's? More so, REALLY HAPPENED TO TERRI in those early morning hours?? The REAL FACTS, need to be investigated and now! PLEASE... PLEASE do this, we have to move now on this and maybe by tomorrow night, we may get some news, IF we are effective, we will. CIRCULATE this info and these address's and please do what you can... IF we don't make this happen, we have a problem. You all know what that will be. PRAY for Terri, please and her family. God bless you... If you have ANY trouble finding the strength to do this, then take a good look at this picture, it is of the Schindlers as they are first allowed to go in and see their daughter/sister as she lays DEHYDRATING and STARVING TO DEATH.... PLEASE I need you all to do this... [Unable to display image] I wrote this letter, feel free to use it, or write your won, do not forget to sign your name and address on it, please. Email addys to everyone below the letter! If you want to use this letter, copy and paste it and put it into a new email!! Dear Sir: I am requesting that you open a FULL investigation into the circumstances surrounding the NEW information, as well as the old medical information that was "sealed for almost 10 years" into the real cause of Terri Schindler-Schaivo's condition and old injury. VERY suspicious evidence has been (was sealed?) brought to light, that point to ... her husband, MICHAEL SCHIAVO, as the PRIME TARGET for investigation. This INVESTIGATION is LONG OVERDUE and should have been done at the time that she sustained injuries, but wasn't. WHY? Admitted into the Hospital with "Closed head injury" and is Diag. as a "Heart Attack?" Who is BLIND HERE????? X-rays and bone scans reveal the injuries Terri sustained were caused by T RAUMA and/or PHYSICAL ABUSE. As a concerned citizen and registered voter, I feel it is my right to ask for this to be handled in a swift and proper manner. Ms. Schaivo brain damaged or not, is entitled to due process, through our court system, which to date has failed her severely! Her rights are being violated in every possible way! There are TOO MANY FACTS that have been brought to light of a suspicious nature to allow this case to be "just another unsolved mystery" with a woman's life hanging in the balance and near death. And near death, ONLY because of the courts rulings, at that. Governor Jeb Bush intervened in Terri's behalf to have the feeding tube providing her nourishment reinserted when "The Terri Bill" was signed. However, should this "Bill" be overturned, Terri will once again, be facing DEATH BY DEHYDRATION and STARVATION. I URGE YOU, as a representative of the people of this State to act now and do the right thing, as we know "someone" missed the boat once and left Terri to drown!! Lets right this horrible wrong, shall we??? YOU CAN make a difference of LIFE OR DEATH for Theresa SchindlerSchiavo. I urge you, as a representative of the people of this State to act now and do the right thing, as we now know "someone" missed the boat once and left Terri to drown, lets right this wrong for this woman. Open a FULL and FORMAL INVESTIGATION into Terri's case. Thank you and God Bless You. Sincerely Yours, Now, the first and best way to do it is you copy the letter and then put it into a new email. ALWAYS SIGN YOUR NAME to the letter and Home addy as well. Then copy the email links directly below and paste the addresses in a new email or click the link to send directly to these email addys w/ letter attached Executive Director Of Investigations Jamie McLaughlin Secretary Samantha <---Very nice lady!! (850) 410-8240 Mr. McLaughin's email Email jamiemclaughlin@fdle.state.fl.us</A > jamiemclaughlin@fdle.state.fl.us Also Director of FDLE Commissioner Guy Tunnell EMAIL guytunnell@fdle.state.fl.us</A > guytunnell@fdle.state.fl.us Attorney General Charlie Crist Office of Attorney General State of Florida The Capitol Tallahassee, FL 32399-1050 (850) 414-3990 Fax: (850) 487-2564 ag@oag.state.fl.us</A > State Attorney Bernie McCabe 14250 49th Street North Clearwater, FL 33762 OR P.O. Box 5028 Clearwater, FL 33758 Ph: (727) 464-6221 Fax (727) 464-6534 This is the only Email addy I could find and it is NOT his, but may, I repeat "may" get to him, but I don't know for sure. publicaf@co.pinellas.fl.us <--- TRY THIS ANYWAY! And if anyone can get his email addy, please send it to me, thank you!! publicaf@co.pinellas.fl.us</A > <-- this should get it to Mr. McCabe Sheriff Rice (727) 582-6721 wqueen@pcsonet.com Internal Affairs (727) 582-6301 sallen@pcsonet.com General Information (727) 582-6484 kquire@pcsonet.com David A. Demers (Chief Judge) Rm. 400, 545 First Avenue North St. Petersburg, FL 33701 (727) 582-7882 Send Email to the Court courts@jud6.org Click here: Office of the State Attorney Criminal Intelligence (727) 582-6324 pcsointel@pcsonet.com Contacting FDLE The Honorable George W. Greer <--This is the Judge who gave the order that will kill Terri. I copy EVERYTHING I send to ANYONE, that is in anyway involved in this case as far as the officials and I email and fax EVERYONE of them the same email. # 1 it makes it easier and 2, they all know WE MEAN BUSINESS!
358 posted on 11/05/2003 8:49:02 AM PST by pc93 (A good site to visit is http://www.terrisfight.org . Oct. 15th 2pm death order must be stopped)
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To: editor-surveyor
Hyperbaric oxygen has been proven to be the singularly most effective treatment for any and all kinds of regeneration. It is specifically what Terri Schiavo needs most, next to being delivered from the Death Culture that controls her destiny. Let us Pray!

Agree 100%. The fact that HBOT would definetively move brain injured folks from palliative care to rehabiliutative care is an interesting study.

Pray that babies with birth injuries can get into chambers immediately, near drowning victims as well, stroke victims as well, traumatic brain injury patients, and the list goes on. Till we do, Americans we are accepting inferior care and status quo from the medical field.

Posted on Mon, Jun. 03, 2002

Oxygen treatment ordered for boy, 2, in coma
BY ANDREA ELLIOTT

Bob Eighmie / Herald Staff : Jeffrey and Judy Weiss speak to reporters Monday at the Broward County Courthouse in Fort Lauderdale.

Jeffrey and Judy Weiss wanted one more chance to save their son's life.

They won that chance -- a slim one -- Monday as 2-year-old Justin lay in a coma after almost drowning in Parkland over Memorial Day weekend.

Broward Circuit Judge John A. Miller ordered the North Broward Hospital District to allow an outside doctor to give Justin an alternative, costly treatment using a portable oxygen chamber.

''This means that our son has a chance at life,'' said Jeffrey Weiss, 49, an eye doctor who performs retina surgery at two of the district's hospitals. ``Their choice was to give our son death.''

Attorneys for the district argued against the motion, saying Broward General Medical Center in Fort Lauderdale was not licensed to administer hyperbaric oxygen treatments and that the portable chamber posed a fire hazard.

''They asked the hospital to perform unlicensed procedures that could jeopardize the hospital,'' said hospital district attorney Reid A. Cocalis, of Conrad & Scherer. Cocalis said he did not know whether the district would appeal the ruling.

The couple began crying and said, ''Thank you, thank you,'' when Miller issued the ruling.

''He's my only boy,'' said Weiss, who also has twin girls.

Miller ordered the family's attorney, Kenneth J. Sobel, to submit an installation plan for the portable chamber to the fire marshal before treatments begin. That could happen by Wednesday.

Each hour that passes could make a difference in the treatment's effectiveness, Dr. Richard Neubauer, who runs a hyperbaric center in Lauderdale-by-the-Sea, told the judge.

Neubauer's patients are placed in an eight-by-three-foot tank and administered pure, pressurized oxygen, which can hasten the recovery of injured tissues, he said.

He offers no promises but said amazing recoveries have occurred, including that of a child who was in a state similar to Justin's but who eventually made a full recovery.

The family said Justin must receive the treatments at the hospital because his condition makes transporting him elsewhere too dangerous.

The Weisses agreed to assume the full cost and any liability for the treatments.

The Weisses were entertaining guests May 26 when Justin disappeared for five minutes. His father found him in the swimming pool, Sobel said.

''We had screens and alarms and everything . . .'' Weiss' voice trailed off as his eyes filled with tears.

He said doctors at Broward General Medical Center told the Weisses on Thursday that they should discontinue the machinery keeping Justin alive because his vegetative condition had not improved.

''I feel very good that at least my son is given a chance,'' said Judy Weiss after Monday's ruling. ``They're not going to take my hope away.''

Follow UP---Justin Weiss survived, was taken off the ventilator much to the amazement of the nursing staff. And subsequently returned home where he is continuing to improve with Physical therapy as well as Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment.

The Weiss's could afford what the majority of folks can't because Medicaid and insurance companies to date are not reimbursing for this life changing therapy.

359 posted on 11/05/2003 8:57:17 AM PST by 4Godsoloved..Hegave (Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink:)
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To: MHGinTN
I had an email from a "woman" who said she wished Terri was a dog so it could be put out of its misery. For God's sake!!! What has happened to our beloved America?!! Hospice has become a killing field. Florida courts are full of people who think it's okay to KILL BY STARVATION a living breathing human being! Be afraid, be very afraid.
360 posted on 11/05/2003 8:58:21 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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