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Husband in Right to Die Case Moves to Block Parents in New Trial
Tampa Bay Online ^ | Nov 3, 2003 | A P

Posted on 11/03/2003 6:08:39 PM PST by sweetliberty

CLEARWATER, Fla. (AP) - Attorneys for the husband seeking to carry out what he says is his wife's end-of-life wishes said in court papers Monday her parents shouldn't be allowed to enter the constitutional fight over the new law which is prolonging her life. Attorneys for Michael Schiavo, whose wife Terri is at the center of the massive legal battle over whether she lives or dies, responded to legal filings seeking a judge's permission to allow Bob and Mary Schindler to become parties in the challenge of the new law.

The law allowed Gov. Jeb Bush last month to order Terri Schiavo's feeding tube - which has kept her alive for more than a decade - be reinserted six days after her husband ordered it removed.

Michael Schiavo's attorneys said that while the Schindlers arguably had a stake in the legal battle on whether their daughter's wishes should be carried out, the legal challenge of what's been dubbed "Terri's Law" is between her husband and the governor's attorneys.

"The rights at stake in this litigation are uniquely those of Mrs. Schiavo and it is those rights that are directly affected by the challenged legislation and Governor's actions," said the legal response filed in Florida circuit Court. "The Schindlers' interest in continuing to pursue their belief that the prior litigation was wrongly decided simply does not meet the requisite legal standard for intervention."

Doctors and a judge have ruled that Terri Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state with no hope for recovery. She suffered severe brain damage in 1990 when her heart stopped beating - cutting off oxygen to her brain - because of a chemical imbalance.

The conservative law firm founded by religious broadcaster Pat Robertson asked last week to be allowed to intervene in the case on behalf of Schindlers. Circuit Court Judge W. Douglas Baird would have to grant permission for the Schindlers to enter the lawsuit.

The couple have said their daughter had no end-of-life wishes and believe she could be rehabilitated. They also dispute that she is in a vegetative state and believe she has enough mental abilities to respond to them.

The American Center for Law & Justice said in its filing that it believes lawmakers and the governor were within their authority to intervene in the case. Her parents are seeking to be appointed their daughter's guardians and to exclude them from the case would "violate their constitutional rights to be heart," the law firm said in its filing.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: constitution; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; michaelschiavo; righttolife; terri; terrischiavo
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
Even the Green River Killer is only getting life in prison and he killed 48 women!

I think the total count will be 50 when he enters his plea. It's a shame he won't get the needle.

261 posted on 11/04/2003 6:52:18 PM PST by dougherty (Rupert Rules)
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To: Legerdemain
See my above post. Actually, what I would like to see is speech therapy allowed to work with oral feedings while decreasing her enteral intake. Hopefully over time she could be weaned off. It takes time and skill though. You don't just go in and start feeding. We are all living in "shells". No one wants to be handicapped but it happens. They have a right to live (and thrive) in this country also, don't you think?

Since you keep bringing it up, I was wondering if you would like for me to ping you to a "biker" religious thread to discuss your concerns about prayer? I won't though unless you FM and say yes though, ok?

262 posted on 11/04/2003 6:52:24 PM PST by CindyDawg (all the above is JUZ my opinion)
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To: Deep_6
"Michael is not only refusing to provide therapy for Terri"; "actively trying to prevent anyone else from doing so"

That is strictly hearsay and not factual. It had been deemed that no therapy will help, since Terri does not now have, or will ever have, the mental ability to respond.

Actually, I believe Michael himself has gone on record in court and stated that he attempted to prevent people from providing care for Terri. This in addition to the fact that he has received court orders for precisely that purpose. Whether or not the court has deemed that therapy could be helpful, the fact remains that Michael has sought to prevent others from providing it.

"If Terri's parents took Terri in and after a year or two of therapy"

The family has had 13 years of watching Terri...

And being forbidden from making any effort to help her condition. They could have taken any legal step they desired, to gain guardianship. Instead, they chose to fight a battle each time the decision was made to accept her proxy-plea to have the support removed.

I don't know what previous efforts were made to remove Michael's guardianship, but I believe the last such petitition was before he moved in with his mistress and boasted about it on national television. Since having a sexual cohabitive relationship with someone other than a spouse is an absolute disqualification under the guardianship statutes, that should be grounds for removing Michael as guardian.

I agree it's disgusting that this business has gone on 13 years. Terri should have been divorced from Michael a decade ago. Actually, if Michael had sought a divorce immediately after winning the malpractice awards, he probably would have come out pretty well. He wouldn't get Terri's trust fund, of course, but a divorce court would probably have counted the trust fund against her share of assets and against any alimony he'd be required to pay. And his $300K for loss of consortium would have been all his.

I'll admit Terri's legal help has been less than stellar. On the other hand, when Michael has a $750,000 goldmine he can harvest to pay his lawyer and the parents don't, it should hardly be surprising that Michael's side can outlawyer the parents.

263 posted on 11/04/2003 6:52:29 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: blueriver
Re:
"If she is deamed to be brain dead (which no one has said so far) then her
parents should be able to end her life by a more humane mechanism
."

I realize it's a heart tearing situation, but there is no legal manner
in which to end this situation, other than to allow nature to go it's
set course.

Terri would have been dead 13 years ago, if it hadn't been for the temporary
life supporting feeding apparatus. It was temporary, in the sense that
should her diagnosis and prognosis be bleak; if she is indeed without
a cerebral cortex to allow her to make the least of voluntary movements
[eating or drinking], then a choice would have to be made regarding the
length of time she should be kept on life support.

The tube was placed by a human; it can be removed by a human.
It would have been no less humane 13 years ago, had that device
not been available.

Thanks.

 

264 posted on 11/04/2003 6:53:44 PM PST by Deep_6
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To: Twinkie
Does she have a life insurance policy? If so, how much?</i?

Who cares, a life insurance policy has nothing to do with this. Oh, I know, you are going to say that he is after her insurance money....allegations, as wels as, smoke and mirrors.

265 posted on 11/04/2003 6:55:06 PM PST by Legerdemain
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To: Deep_6
That....... Is a trampling of the separation of power; It is unconstitutional.

Some of the legislators who wrote the legislation that Schiavo et al. were using to try to kill Terri said, in the legislative debates, that they never intended the laws to be [mis]interpreted as they had been in this case. There are precedents going back more than two centuries which establish that in civil matters legislators are allowed to pass legislation which affects existing matters. In that regard, Terri's law is hardly precedential.

266 posted on 11/04/2003 6:56:09 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: KDD
No, I disagree. We shouldn't look at people and assume because we would not want to live like that, then they wouldn't either. Since we don't have a written will, I think it is better if you are going to err, then do so on the side of life.
267 posted on 11/04/2003 6:56:49 PM PST by CindyDawg (all the above is JUZ my opinion)
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To: CindyDawg
Since you keep bringing it up, I was wondering if you would like for me to ping you to a "biker" religious thread to discuss your concerns about prayer? I won't though unless you FM and say yes though, ok?

ah, the godsquad...why a biker religious thread....is that supposed to scare me? Should I take this as a threat?

I find it funny and proves my point about the godsquad..

btw, I am a biker already...I do not need to be converted to the Church of Harley Davidson"

268 posted on 11/04/2003 6:58:57 PM PST by Legerdemain
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To: US admirer
It is about their beliefs and what they have been told to think by their Sunday schools and pastors.

Sort of. We also had some help from our parents. Most of us actually believe in [GASP] God too.

Uh, have you ever read the Constituttion of the United States Of America?

There is a line in there that reads, "LIFE, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."

269 posted on 11/04/2003 7:01:45 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: Legerdemain
ah, and there is the rub, deny me a feeding tube and I can still eat. Let's give her substenace without a tube and see if she eats...if not, it is time to let the body die...geesh.....it does not take a rocket scientist in this situation........

You know, if Michael had been willing to allow Terri's parents to attempt to give her food and water by mouth when the feeding tube was removed, many people would probably have not been so strongly opposed to the action. After all, one could reasonably make the case that such action was allowing room for a miracle. But to remove a feeding tube while forbidding all efforts oral feeding and hydration is to kill someone absolutely (except in cases where a patient is going to die of something else first). I know of no time ever in history where anyone has gone more than 41 days without food or water.

270 posted on 11/04/2003 7:02:41 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: WackyKat
...someone's religious agenda.

I'll ssay some prayers for you too, Micha WackyKat.

271 posted on 11/04/2003 7:05:12 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: Legerdemain
Lighten up. It was meant to make you laugh. No threat, and no (not many anyway) bikers. Just not your "usual" Christians. You kept bring up God and prayer on this thread which is ok, but we seemed to be going down a rabbit trail and I just wondered if you wanted to take it somewhere else. Ok, you want to just talk about Teri then?
272 posted on 11/04/2003 7:07:24 PM PST by CindyDawg (all the above is JUZ my opinion)
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To: Legerdemain
Lighten up. It was meant to make you laugh. No threat, and no (not many anyway) bikers. Just not your "usual" Christians. You kept bring up God and prayer on this thread which is ok, but we seemed to be going down a rabbit trail and I just wondered if you wanted to take it somewhere else. Ok, you want to just talk about Teri then?
273 posted on 11/04/2003 7:07:36 PM PST by CindyDawg (all the above is JUZ my opinion)
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To: CindyDawg
So where would you draw the line on our technological ability to keep our bodies alive? Or do you draw a line?

Know this.

Any line that you draw will infringe on artificial life support pratices. Because at that point are we not merely discussing boundries?
274 posted on 11/04/2003 7:10:41 PM PST by KDD (unreasoned dogma is dangerous)
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To: Budge
Uh, have you ever read the Constituttion of the United States Of America?

There is a line in there that reads, "LIFE, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."

Can't seem to find that line in my copy of the Constitution?

Would you point it out to me please.

275 posted on 11/04/2003 7:16:05 PM PST by KDD (unreasoned dogma is dangerous)
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To: CindyDawg
but we seemed to be going down a rabbit trail and I just wondered if you wanted to take it somewhere else. Ok, you want to just talk about Teri then?

the funny thing is if we take out the godsquad, we have no argument. We can then deal with reality and the reality is to take out the tube....however this will never happen here on FR. Religion and narrow mindedness go hand in hand...it has been that way for 6,000 years

276 posted on 11/04/2003 7:16:44 PM PST by Legerdemain
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To: KDD
KDD, I don't have all the answers any more than you do. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you guys. I respect yalls opinion but I think in Terris cicumstance she should be fed thru her gt and every effort should be made to try to wean her off. Each situation is different. I agree that there is a time when feedings should not be continued or began but in my opinion this isn't one of them.
277 posted on 11/04/2003 7:18:23 PM PST by CindyDawg (all the above is JUZ my opinion)
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To: Deep_6
Tell Felos' goon squad to stop harassing people. You guys are pulling out all the stops.
278 posted on 11/04/2003 7:21:40 PM PST by freeparoundtheclock (TERRISFIGHT.ORG - Go to Hospice Woodside Make a Sign "TERRI'S ANGELS")
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To: CindyDawg
We must guard against the Dr. Frankenstines of this world also.

Don't you agree?
279 posted on 11/04/2003 7:24:17 PM PST by KDD (unreasoned dogma is dangerous)
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To: Legerdemain
Tell George to call off his spooky, suernatural "volunteers" and I'll ask God to remind me to ignore you.
280 posted on 11/04/2003 7:25:10 PM PST by freeparoundtheclock (TERRISFIGHT.ORG - Go to Hospice Woodside Make a Sign "TERRI'S ANGELS")
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