Posted on 11/03/2003 6:53:11 AM PST by dead
Edited on 05/26/2004 5:17:17 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
And was Mary Magdalene his wife?
Apparently, a lot of people will be upset if the answer to both these questions is yes.
As explained in tonight's "Jesus, Mary and Da Vinci" - a new ABC News prime-time special inspired by the best-selling novel, "The DaVinci Code" - proof that Jesus of Nazareth was a married man enjoying conjugal relations with his wife would upset the apple cart, so to speak, of all of Christianity since Jesus' divinity has been based for so long, at least in part, on the notion that he was celibate.
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I have for a long time, thought it interesting that the men upon whose philosophies most of the worlds great religions were founded seem to have never witten a word.
Jesus, Buddha, Lao-tzu, Mohammed, Abraham, (Christianity, Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Judaism), no books, no short stories, no articles, no videos, no CDs...
But lots of folks claim to know what they said.
I find it interesting that the fact that none of these religious fathers wrote down their own words is even an issue. If this has some sort of value, perhaps you are a Confucian? (The Master did write his own stuff, after all.)
Do you have a link? Thanks for attacking me. If you can't debate the issue, attack the person. Democrat handbook chapter 1.
Learned in the sense of 'knowing and understanding God's ways', or 'following God's wishes', if you will. Having knowledge of God, not what we think of as knowledge today. Read the following passages with the above in mind.
Psalms 25:9 The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.
Psalms 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Psalms 76:9 When God arose to judgment, to save all the meek of the earth. Selah.
Psalms 149:4 For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.
Psalms 147:6 The LORD lifteth up the meek: he casteth the wicked down to the ground.
Zephaniah 2:3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.
I guess we all have our theories, but this one makes the most sense to me.
Meek -> virtuous -> embracing the Lord and his teachings -> "learned" [enlightened]
Unfortunately, a lot of people - apparently including ABC - are taking it seriously.
And Brown himself has made clear that while the format is technically "fiction," he believes that the bizarre theories expounded in the book are actually plausible or supportable.
History is history, and myth is myth. The beliefs that Mary Magdalene went to Provence and Joseph of Arimathea went to Britain arose centuries after those figures died. There is zero historical evidence to support either story.
I don't know what level you are in the Masons. But the fact that the masons that built the cathedrals to specification and were sworn to secrecy developed into the Freemasonary is not disputed.
Nobody disputes the fact that the cathedrals were built by masons, just as carpenters built cabinets and farmers farmed. The relationship between these working masons and modern "Freemasons," however, is tenuous at best.
Why do you think Catholics are not suppose to join, and are not welcome.
I have no idea what you're trying to say about Catholics. It is my understanding that Freemasons would welcome Catholic members, but the Catholic Church bars such membership.
I didn't say it was an issue, I said I found it interesting.
On the other hand, I take some comfort in knowing that you wrote the words above, now I know something about how you think. Otherwise, had I read, say from Joe Blow, that you said the things above, I would have to consider whether you said the things above or whether they are Joe Blow's interpretation or memory or further hearsay.
Bottom line; if I could read Christ's words, in his own words, as I can George Washington's for example, I would have more faith in what I think and believe about them.
JC:"Same old. Heal the crippled, cast out demons, raise the dead. Gosh I'm beat!"
Mrs. Christ: "Well, you just sit down here and put your feet up, and relax. I'm making your favorite Matsa ball soup for dinner."
JC: "Oh, gee honey that's sweet, but I was going over to the Inn with the apostles to...
Mrs. Christ: "Again!?! We never spend time together, and you never take me out any more! My mother was right-- I should have married Irving Schmeckle the accountant's son. All day long I work, and I slave over a hot open fire..."
It became an issue when you said you found it 'interesting.' "I find it interesting..." often carries a negative connotation in today's world.
On the other hand, I take some comfort in knowing that you wrote the words above, now I know something about how you think. Otherwise, had I read, say from Joe Blow, that you said the things above, I would have to consider whether you said the things above or whether they are Joe Blow's interpretation or memory or further hearsay.
On the other hand, if this hypothetical Joe were an eyewitness to what I said, you would have reason to believe him, now wouldn't you? Unless, of course, he was a pathological liar.
Bottom line; if I could read Christ's words, in his own words, as I can George Washington's for example, I would have more faith in what I think and believe about them.
Since you don't, you'll just have to accept the multiple corroborating witnesses, two of whom wrote first-hand and two of whom wrote from first-hand sources. If you can't, it's not for lack of evidence, it's for unbelief in the evidence.
The ancient life insurance company, Carpenters' Mutual, was a reference to the Savior's earthly trade that He practiced before His ministry, and said firm never existed, I'm sure.
The "beneficiaries" to which I referred are those who would have been entitled to survivor benefits, and my reference to the withdrawal of their fictional "claim" was "inspired" by the fact that He rose from the dead and therefore did not have the aforementioned "survivors." It would have been interesting to see an actual life insurance claims rep handle the case of an insured who was dead but soon after death no longer was dead.
I suppose I should seek reparations from Monty Python et al for the effects their outrageous works have had on my sense of humor, such as it is.
That said, the Scriptures have not addressed or referred to the question of whether the Savior was married or not.
All of this brouhaha about whether or not He had a wife or wives should not detract from the eternal import of His Atonement and His continuing and eternal reality as the Only Begotten Son of God. I stand all amazed at that which He did for me and for all of our Heavenly Father's children.
All the best, and I apologize if my yarn offended you in any way.....
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