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VANITY: Do you think felons should be allowed to vote?
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Posted on 11/01/2003 4:01:08 PM PST by yonif

A friend of mine was wondering about this topic and discussed it with me.

Do you think felons (those in jail and those who are "reformed") should be allowed to vote (not felons convicted of voter relating crime)?

There are those countries, such as Israel, which allow felons to vote (both in and out of prison, as long as they were not convicted of voter related crimes).

What do you think? Why is it a good or bad idea?


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To: nicmarlo
Also, with the plea bargains, reduced sentences, or letting some out early because of "good behavior" (simply because, in some cases, there's not enough room in to keep them in jail)....are many of these "reformed" ex-cons really reformed? I think not.

Gee's if one screws up pay your dues for crying out loud! I pay mine to the tune of 55% total tax burden and a good portion of it going to rehab to people that have shown very little concern for their fellow man.

What is MY, or anybody elses, crime to sentence me to this burden in life? I have no problem supporting the desitute, but my forced charity to those that are not charitable doesn't sit well with me.

81 posted on 11/01/2003 5:25:30 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: Prime Choice
Before felons should even be considered for restored voting privileges, they should be responsible for compensating the victims of their crimes. A violent felon faced with reimbursing a victim for medical bills, lost income due to disability, and pain and suffering may start to understand the misery he has caused. Murderers can wait for the afterlife to vote again.
82 posted on 11/01/2003 5:29:09 PM PST by cadre
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To: EGPWS
NO
83 posted on 11/01/2003 5:29:11 PM PST by jocko12
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To: Melas
en toto.

There is no reason at all to get Dorthy's dog involved in this issue.

84 posted on 11/01/2003 5:30:44 PM PST by Eaker (When the SHTF, I'll go down with a cross in one hand, and a Glock in the other.)
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To: Old Sarge
Long Answer: %^&%*#@W$@#!@$^ NO!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

85 posted on 11/01/2003 5:32:41 PM PST by Eaker (When the SHTF, I'll go down with a cross in one hand, and a Glock in the other.)
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To: Prime Choice
Maybe you want pedophiles, rapists and murderers to have a say in determining the future course of this nation. I for one do not.

Then keep them in jail longer.

86 posted on 11/01/2003 5:33:28 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: yonif
I would say no, but there will inevitably be a re-definition of felony and its bound to be easier to become one as new laws are passed.
87 posted on 11/01/2003 5:35:53 PM PST by meyer
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To: SJSAMPLE
Our prisons have become Prep Schools for habitual offenders.

No offense intended, but if you could, define "offender" to me it would be helpful. Shoot, I have offended customers numerous times in my life in business, I surely hope that it doesn't make me a felon.

88 posted on 11/01/2003 5:36:24 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: Arpege92
Where did I say that people in jail should be allowed to vote? You just picked out pieces of my post you didn't like. Yeah, I did state that if these people have served their time we shouldn't continue punishing them. The question is, should a robber, rapist, or murderer who is a risk to continue violence be released to begin with. Some people just can't be returned to society.
89 posted on 11/01/2003 5:47:51 PM PST by CindyDawg (All the above is JUST my opinion :'))
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To: yonif
Yes, voting rights and the right to own a firearm should be restored.

I’m coming at this from a different angle than some other posters. Not every felon is a robber, rapist or murderer. I have a “felon” in my family.

She was living in a rural area in the Florida Panhandle with her husband and new baby. The husband was a commercial fisherman and was often away from home for a week or more at a time.

When she left New York, she failed to return her license plates to New York State Motor Vehicle Dept. They suspended her license and imposed fines. The plates were never found, but the fines were paid. Although, NYS DMV was contacted many, many times, they never got around to restoring her license. And Florida wouldn’t issue a license because of the NYS suspension.

Meanwhile, because she had neither family nor friends in the area, she drove with the suspended license to the stores, pediatrician, laundry, etc. when her husband was away.

She was pulled over one day by the local cops for a broken taillight and her secret was discovered. After that she was a target for the local redneck cops. She was an outsider, a Yankee.

Well, if you get too many tickets in Florida for driving with a suspended license, it turns into a felony and they got her. More than five thousand dollars in attorney fees to a good ol’ boy lawyer, about forty days in jail and a felony for the rest of her life. Oh, and she miscarried during all the commotion.

Fast forward ten years:

The husband is now serving our country in the Navy. She owns her own business and their second child is due in January. She was attacked in her own home this past May, but because she is not allowed firearms, she couldn’t defend herself. And she can never vote. Sort of ironic, considering her father-in-law and George W. have been friends since high school days, she would have voted Republican.

90 posted on 11/01/2003 5:49:44 PM PST by Beach_Babe
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To: A. Pole
"Serious criminals are becoming a minority in prisons..."

And yet some people want to give the right of voting back to these "serious criminals". That's not the answer to the over population in prisons.
91 posted on 11/01/2003 5:49:48 PM PST by Arpege92
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To: yonif
Sort of where we are today......


State Disenfranchisement Law Changes since 1975. 1

Expanded Voting Rights
1975: Connecticut (automatic restoration of voting rights upon completion of sentence) Louisiana (probationers received right to vote) Oregon (probationers and parolees received right to vote)
1976: New York (automatic restoration of voting rights upon completion of prison term or parole )
1978: Arizona (automatic restoration of voting rights for first time offenders) Louisiana (parolees received right to vote)
1981: South Carolina (automatic restoration of voting rights upon completion of sentence)
1983: Georgia (automatic restoration of voting rights upon completion of sentence) Texas (automatic restoration of voting rights two years after completion of sentence)
1984: Washington (automatic restoration upon completion of sentence if convicted post- 1984)
1986: Tennessee (automatic restoration upon completion of sentence if convicted post- 1986)
1997: Texas (automatic restoration of voting rights upon completion of sentence)
1998: New Hampshire (inmates received voting rights through state court decision)
2000: Delaware (voting rights restored five years after completion of sentence) Pennsylvania (five-year post-prison waiting period eliminated)
2001: Connecticut (probationers receive right to vote) Nevada (five-year waiting period to apply for pardon eliminated) New Mexico (automatic restoration of voting rights upon completion of sentence)
2002: Maryland (recidivists automatically receive right to vote three years after completion of sentence)

Restricted Voting Rights
1983: Georgia (disfranchised felons convicted in any state)
1990: Florida (disfranchised felons convicted in any court)
1993: Colorado (disfranchised parolees) Nebraska (disfranchised for non-pardoned out-of-state convictions)
1995: Pennsylvania (five-year post-prison voting ban)
1997: Colorado (disfranchised federal inmates and parolees)
1998: Utah ( disfranchised inmates)
1999: Oregon (disfranchised federal inmates)
2000: Massachusetts (disfranchised inmates) New Hampshire (disfranchised

1 Year listed may differ from year change became effective.


92 posted on 11/01/2003 5:50:48 PM PST by deport (Guess who is the SUCKER............)
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To: yonif
Yeah, they should be permitted to vote on the method of execution...not that their druthers will necessarily be selected.
93 posted on 11/01/2003 5:51:22 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: Beach_Babe
She was attacked in her own home this past May, but because she is not allowed firearms, she couldn’t defend herself. And she can never vote. Sort of ironic, considering her father-in-law and George W. have been friends since high school days, she would have voted Republican.

Will Rush Limbaugh be allowed to vote?

94 posted on 11/01/2003 5:52:49 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole
Will Rush Limbaugh be allowed to vote?


Has he been convicted of a felony?

Did he ever register?
95 posted on 11/01/2003 5:55:15 PM PST by deport (Guess who is the SUCKER............)
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To: yonif
NO!
96 posted on 11/01/2003 5:56:00 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: deport
Will Rush Limbaugh be allowed to vote?

Has he been convicted of a felony?

Not yet. I am asking if he will vote AFTER the conviction.

97 posted on 11/01/2003 5:56:56 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: boris
"Loss of the franchise is part of the punishment for committing a felony."

Right to vote is not the only right lost. So is the 2nd Amendment right. But I'll bet the Dems don't favor restoring THAT right, do they? Is it because they want all of the rest of us to join them? Dems only want things that benefit them....just remember that.

98 posted on 11/01/2003 6:00:34 PM PST by ExSoldier (My other auto is a .45!)
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To: A. Pole
See #92 above

1990: Florida (disfranchised felons convicted in any court)
99 posted on 11/01/2003 6:08:51 PM PST by deport (Guess who is the SUCKER............)
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To: yonif
I can't think of a reason why any adult citizen should ever be denied the right to vote.
100 posted on 11/01/2003 6:09:06 PM PST by Clinging Bitterly (This tagline has been used before, so I won't repeat it.)
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