Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread) October 29, 2003

All of this has to be hammered home before Felos and his cohorts convince the Florida Supreme Court that Terri's Law is unconstitutional.

181 posted on 10/29/2003 2:29:49 PM PST by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)

Howl away. LOL.. Their email was ....ummm.. defensive. I was INCORRECT they said.LOL. They said they had not decided whether they were gonna get involved. I said, well let me know soon,woodja please? :)

182 posted on 10/29/2003 2:29:56 PM PST by Lovergirl (Isaiah Chapter 43:3-4 You are precious to me and I love you. www.terrisfight.org)

The alimony angle makes sense as well. On so many levels, ms stands to gain financially if she is dead.

183 posted on 10/29/2003 2:30:12 PM PST by Lion in Winter

You mentioned a real judge. I was at a business today, waiting as usual. I picked up a recent Readers Digest
Nov. 03, I think. There was an article about America's worst judges. Three were listed and one was Charles Cope from guess where and Clearwater, Fla is the correct answer.
It figures.

184 posted on 10/29/2003 2:31:45 PM PST by pickyourpoison

To: Republic; TaxRelief; EternalVigilance

"are lawsuits that are settled, either by jury decision or closed door bargaining between parties, ever revisited?"

I've been wondering that, too; are the members of the jury or the parties to it angry at this turn of events? They are local -- can they still be a factor in this?

This case went to trial rather than being settled -- is that significant in this case; was the outcome a surprise? would be an interesting interview...

185 posted on 10/29/2003 2:32:32 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)

To: Saundra Duffy

Let the people decide who they will believe.

EXACTLY!!!! Now people who depend on CNN of their news and entertainment will be privileged to hear the other side of this story, wherein Terri's live lies in teh balance! Thanks to CNN (something I never thought I would say!)

186 posted on 10/29/2003 2:33:34 PM PST by Republic

To: EternalVigilance

Thank you for researching these matters. I love FReepers!!!!!!!!

187 posted on 10/29/2003 2:36:27 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)

"For some reason, she felt that it couldn't be posted in news."

The link and title could be posted here though. That is what this thread is for.

188 posted on 10/29/2003 2:38:00 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")

That is fascinating....That Terri's father first told the police he did not suspect foul play when ER personal did, and THEN to have his daughter's medical records CLOSED to himself and his family.

Closing the medical records was cruel. Terri's family, who loves her, should have ALWAYS had access to these....what possible reason is there to shut them off from this critical information about their dtr?

And btw-I know the Schindler's have had to walk a tightrope-playing carefully with sociopathic (imo) Michael because any miss-step or statement that angered Michael would mean he would cut them off from visiting their dtr-her ONLY joy and their only verification that she was ok.

Cyn-I hope this national publicity is FREEING them from this tightrope of fear. That Michael can no longer TELL them NO VISITS because the eye of this nation, at least the eye of over 500,000 people who have directly written to the Schindler's, is upon this vampire, this monster, and his every current action.

189 posted on 10/29/2003 2:38:59 PM PST by Republic

Nah, it's more than alimony. Her family was willing to give up any rights to any of her money, to pay him to get guardianship of Terri.

He's got something to hide, thus the attempt (hopefully to be thwarted) at a 'fast-track' cremation w/her ashes spread at PA Schiavo place.

'course that's just my opinion -- based on study & consideration. Prove me wrong, ms & felos.</font size=2>

h'mmm

190 posted on 10/29/2003 2:40:29 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)

To: EternalVigilance

Thank the Lord your son is all right. Hallelujah!

191 posted on 10/29/2003 2:43:33 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)

To: EternalVigilance

I was convinced Terri most likely did not have bulemia after this interview. Larry King asked Michael S. if she had bulemia. MS said he saw her eat. MS said it's a secretive disease. He was very vague and really had no back-up facts. I thought to myself, who ever diagnosed her as bulemic? Like you posted, I know there are symptoms, like the dental enamel. It doesn’t make sense. Did a doctor ever suggest she had bulemia or did MS. just make this up?

192 posted on 10/29/2003 2:43:53 PM PST by GodBlessUSA

To: iowamomforfreedom

" I believe in the vows I took with my wife, through sickness, in health, for richer or poor. I married my wife because I love her and I want to spend the rest of my life with her. I'm going to do that."

Apparently it's that "keeping only unto her" part that he has some trouble with.

By the way, thanks again for the help with the links. I had to do a bit of editing for space sake and to make it a little easier to follow amd also added some additional links I thought were important. I hope you don't mind.

193 posted on 10/29/2003 2:44:51 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")

Thanks for this information. I didn't know the ER doctors were suspicious at the time. That's good to know. I wonder if any police records were kept? There should be a record since the doctors were the ones to contact the police.

It would be interesting to know what Michael told the police then and what he says now.

194 posted on 10/29/2003 2:45:24 PM PST by FR_addict

Doese anyone remember a post that someone said MS sais "This is higher than Terri and me".
What a strange comment, could it mean the euthanasia society/orgs involved maybe to a huge $$$ payoff to MS in return for the publicity and (they think a win for their side)?
I can't remember who or when this waas posted, or even where mS publicly made that statement.

195 posted on 10/29/2003 2:46:25 PM PST by oreolady (Have you reviewed your living will lately?)

About the bulemia, it seems to me that you could not live with a person for 3 years without seeing or hearing some symptoms SOMETIME, especially vomiting!!!
He claimed she ate a "lot", but if really bulemic, would immediately go to vomit.

196 posted on 10/29/2003 2:49:37 PM PST by oreolady (Have you reviewed your living will lately?)

To: EternalVigilance

An evening, into the night, into the morning hours - argument between two people - can knock your electrolytes silly.

The additional injuries that a person sustains, makes matters worse.

There is no great mystery, here.

Force was applied to cause Terri's injuries, compounding her --- what anybody's electrolyte imbalance would be by 4 o'clock in the morning --- state of stress.

That's why we call it stress.

That's why there's so much written up about stress.

Just as, if you were to go to a swimming pool and swim 5 miles ... well, you couldn't because you'd be exhausted ... your heart will stop, when exhausted, and some sudden trauma is visited upon you, such as that first failed attempt, too late in your laps, to get air.

In some situations, combat, you may even freeze in place, with no wounds. You could be found situated looking over a log, holding your rifle, when you run out of that last ounce of energy. You could be found, kneeling. You could be found, standing. Frozen. It happens.

People need energy to function, and without it, things stop working.

What fails, are usually the weak points.

A wife subject to a husband's hectoring, and then physical battery, might just be found dead in his arms without anything more than "low electroytes." The scene, tragically romantic.

It's incredible what the body can endure --- if it has had good conditioning.

On the other hand, it's incredible how bodies in good condition, from all appearances, suddenly quit.

Pat Anderson should have talked to a lot of corroners and combat medics, to learn what can happen to you.

197 posted on 10/29/2003 2:50:41 PM PST by First_Salute (God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)

To: viaveritasvita

maybe I can get a handle on my "my comments" page!

LOL! Ya know, I had lurked here at FR since a couple days after the 2000 election debacle, and had maybe posted 3 or 4 times before Terri. And I was never on any ping list. So obviously I never even CHECKED my "Comments" page till about 2 months ago. Now I have pages and pages and pages of posts - what an experience! Yes, one daily thread will make things much easier.

198 posted on 10/29/2003 2:52:04 PM PST by iowamomforfreedom (Why is it illegal to starve an animal but not a human being?)

The remark was IIRC "This is bigger than Terri and Michael [sic]"

199 posted on 10/29/2003 2:52:47 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck

To: EternalVigilance

From yesterday ---

At Michael Schiavo pleads case on CNN --- posted at FR on Oct. 28, 2003, by JohnHuang2 ---

Reply 9 ---

"In last night's interview, Schiavo addressed the strangulation testimony by asking why her neck was not bruised and her trachea damaged."

Michael Schiavo assumes "the hands on approach," when that is not required.

In addition, a "rigid neck" that is considered in Terri's case, as a sign of "strangulation," can instead be caused by various other methods of attempting to cut off a person's airways.

For example, a hypothetical couple "having a domestic dispute" ---

A husband "getting carried away" during their argument(s) into the night and early morning hours, enough to "forget himself" ...
He, a large heavy man, sits quickly on the upper back of his relatively smaller, lighter wife, who herself had been sitting on the floor and bent over some, exhausted and crying.
He forces her to the floor face down and causes her to hyperextend her neck as she struggles to raise her head, break free, and get air --- there is a dislocation of certain areas of her neck's connective tissues, the resulting strains and pinching of nerves leading to a severely "rigid neck."
With the immediate presence of his body heat in addition to her diminishing oxygen supply, she goes into shock.
She is forced into unconciousness; then some minutes more pass, of insufficient oxygen (not necessarily a denial of all blood) flow to her brain; her heart beat might be undetectable.
Things go from bad to worse with the time that the husband remains upon her.
The husband regains some semblance of reason and senses her change of state, as well as what may befall him. He gets himself off of her, paces around, then he returns to her and checks, but cannot detect, her pulse ... he calls for help.
Her injuries would be revealed, over a year later in bone scans of the head, neck, torso, and lower body. Her injuries include a compression fracture of the wife's L1 vertebra, which literally plays a pivotal role in support of the upper back.
No heart attack.
Just trauma to tell the tale, in her bones.

200 posted on 10/29/2003 2:54:03 PM PST by First_Salute (God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)

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