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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; floriduh voter; pc93; tutstar; MarMema; FR_addict; Theodore R.; ...
There's no way I can keep up with all these threads & posts to read who has posted what.

Even though the matter of the Constitution has been discussed, I want you to read the following article from today's Arizona Republic newspaper, because of the serious questions it raises, the repercussions - and that, ultimately, the court will once again pull Terri's tube.

How much of The Bill of Rights & States' Rights are we going to trash to save Terri? Have emotions ruled over logic? (In my case, they have.) Do we want to set a precedent that can be used by other states' to bypass their constitutions in the future?

We have a judicial system that, even with its flawed, driven-by-greed lawyers and ego-inflated, often lazy and incompetent judges, is still the finest system in the world.

Together, FReepers have a mind-boggling amount of power. We have the constitutional freedom to personally criticize judges and attorneys openly; and, through legal means, demand a higher court review of Judge Greer's handling and rulings.

As evidenced by what we have accomplished in Florida, we also have the power to change bad laws. And that takes determination - a tremendous amount of studying - a lot of hard work. __________________________________________________________

by Mitch Stacy, Associated Press

EXPERTS QUESTIONING FLORIDA RIGHT-TO-LIFE LAW

Legal scholars predicted Wednesday that Gov. Jeb Bush's intervention in a bitter right-to-die case involving a brain-damaged woman will be ruled unconstitutional, and her husband's lawyer angrily complained that the woman was "abducted from her deathbed."

"It is so repugnant to so many provisions of Florida's constitution, we are all certain that it will be overturned," said George Felos, attorney for Michael Schiavo.

Legal scholars also decried the move as an extraordinary end run around the courts.

"In my view, the bill is plainly unconstitutional," University of Florida law Professor Joseph Little said.

Terri Schiavo, 39, has been in a what doctors call a "persistent vegetative state" since 1990, when her heart stopped because of a chemical imbalance. Her eyes are open, but doctors say she has no consciousness.

Her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, have fought to keep her alive and say she still could recover. Michael contends that she told him she would rather die than be kept alive artificially, but her parents said they never heard her say that.

Her feeding tube was removed by court order last Wednesday at the insistence of her husband. The case is one of the nation's longest and most contentious right-to-die cases.

On Tuesday, the Legislature rushed through a bill designed to save Terri's life, and Bush quickly invoked the law and ordered the feeding tube reinserted.

Felos said that Terri suffered signs of organ failure Tuesday and that the reintroduction of fluids after a week without food or water could just make her suffer more.

The Schindlers had complained Wednesday that they had not been allowed by Michael, still their daughter's legal guardian, to see her in the hospital. They got that permission late Wednesday, but she had been taken to the hospice by the time they arrived at the hospital.

Felos said earlier that the woman was quietly dying after the tube was removed and that it was "simply inhumane and barbaric to interrupt her death process."

Legal experts widely agreed that the governor and Legislature went too far.

"This particular administration has not yet understood why we have separation of powers," former Florida Supreme Court Justice Gerald Kogan said. "They seem to believe that the governor and the Legislature can do whatever they want and the courts should not interfere, and that's not right." __________________________________________________________

typos are mine

1,753 posted on 10/23/2003 4:40:27 PM PDT by lakey
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To: lakey
Felos is extremely effective in cranking up the media spin machine. He finds one Florida law professor to say, ""In my view, the bill is plainly unconstitutional", and turns it into "Legal scholars predicted Wednesday that Gov. Jeb Bush's intervention in a bitter right-to-die case involving a brain-damaged woman will be ruled unconstitutional".
1,759 posted on 10/23/2003 4:46:43 PM PDT by lonevoice
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To: lakey
I'm sorry. I'm having trouble figuring out who is saying what? Are you stating at the beginning that it was wrong to pass this law?
1,760 posted on 10/23/2003 4:47:14 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: lakey
What no one has even begun to explain to me is why the protection of Terri's right to life not Constitutinal. That is THE most fundamental of rights. All else is built around that foundation.
1,771 posted on 10/23/2003 4:56:42 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: lakey
"How much of The Bill of Rights & States' Rights are we going to trash to save Terri? Have emotions ruled over logic? (In my case, they have.) Do we want to set a precedent that can be used by other states' to bypass their constitutions in the future?"

I disagree with the premise. The lawmakers set the laws, not some judge. There were plenty of violations of Federal law by the husband and attorney. This attorney has been paid over $500,000 from Terri's money, which was suppose to go for her rehabilitation.

You need to read Chris Ferrara's Legal Brief for Terri in the first post on this thread:

THE FIGHT TO SAVE TERRI SCHIAVO - Chris Ferrara's Legal Brief for Terri
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1006586/posts

It is in pdf format and 27 double spaced pages, but it lays out how her husband and lawyer have conspired to violate Terri's rights under the 1st, 5th, and 14th admendment.

You also out in Felos' quote:
"It is so repugnant to so many provisions of Florida's constitution, we are all certain that it will be overturned," said George Felos, attorney for Michael Schiavo.

I wouldn't put much stock in what Felos says:
Read post 149 on this thread:
URGENT - ACTION NEEDED AT ONCE for Terri Schiavo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1006292/posts
Here's part of it:

"On pages 181-182 of his book, Felos claims that merely by visualizing a plane crash during a flight he was taking back to Florida, he caused the plane to begin to crash and that God spoke to him at that moment to warn him: 'Be careful what you think. You are more powerful than you realize'.....'I was startled, humbled, and blessed by God's admonishment.'"

Attorney George Felos believes God speaks to him and that God has told him he is a powerful man. Powerful enough to crash an airplane merely by thinking of it. Attorney Felos, prepare to be truly admonished. Only this time it won't be by the little voices that speak in your head.

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Read the whole post and I think it is obvious the man is not playing with a full deck.
1,866 posted on 10/23/2003 6:34:09 PM PDT by FR_addict
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To: lakey
Legal Scholars are from the left and they are very afraid they are going to lose power they never really had. I called Stetson Law School and if they spend too much time on the tube in the coming weeks, maybe we'll have to investigate who they know as well.

IMO hubby's attorney OWNS PINELLAS COUNTY and he's intimidating the medical community.

Terri's treating doctor is Greek as is Felos and if he is a Hellenist like Felos, they worship beauty and perfection and I'm glad we have Terri's treating doctor at Hospice's name on this thread for future reference.

1,972 posted on 10/23/2003 8:00:57 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com & press Releases at terrisfight.org)
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To: lakey
When someone becomes incapacitated without having written health care directives, does that person lose all their rights as a U.S. Citizen, who has a disability who can't speak but can communicate? Terri's brother was on Greta Van Sustenance tonight. It was their dad's birthday tonight. They had a birthday party in Terri's room. She was smiling. She's a human being. They want to kill her. There is nothing constitutional about that. Terri's constitutional rights outweigh any arguments regarding the separation of powers. That is my opinion if you combine the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Civil Rights Act.

Greta was really bothered by the whole starvation-dehydration directives. Her guests were friends of Felos imo who opined after Terri's brother was on.

2,006 posted on 10/23/2003 8:36:36 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com & press Releases at terrisfight.org)
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To: lakey
In the reply you gave, here are the sentences I object to on the grounds that they are incorrect.

Terri Schiavo, 39, has been in a what doctors call a "persistent vegetative state" since 1990, when her heart stopped because of a chemical imbalance. Her eyes are open, but doctors say she has no consciousness. From what I have gathered, her heart didn't 'stop' due to a chemical imbalance. The doctors that say she has no 'consciousness' must be Michael's doctors. The last statement is a flagrant lie as she shows signs of being 'conscious'.

2,542 posted on 10/26/2003 1:54:15 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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